China's Death Vehicles

[InkofDeath]

First here's some highlights from the article:

 

 

 

Twenty-five years later, in 2004, Zhang met retribution once more, after his conviction for double murder and rape. He was one of the first people put to death in China's new fleet of mobile execution chambers.

 

 

 

The country that executed more than four times as many convicts as the rest of the world combined last year is slowly phasing out public executions by firing squad in favor of lethal injections. Unlike the United States and Singapore, the only two other countries where death is administered by injection, China metes out capital punishment from specially equipped "death vans" that shuttle from town to town.

 

 

 

For years, foreign human rights groups have accused China of arbitrary executions and cruelty in its use of capital punishment. The exact number of convicts put to death is a state secret. Amnesty International estimates there were at least 1,770 executions in China in 2005 vs. 60 in the United States, but the group says on its website that the toll could be as high as 8,000 prisoners.

 

 

 

Executions in death vans are recorded on video and audio that is played live to local law enforcement authorities a measure intended to ensure they are carried out legally.

 

 

 

China's refusal to give outsiders access to the bodies of executed prisoners has added to suspicions about what happens afterward: Corpses are typically driven to a crematorium and burned before relatives or independent witnesses can view them.

 

 

 

Chinese authorities are sensitive to allegations that they are complicit in the organ trade. In March, the Ministry of Health issued regulations explicitly banning the sale of organs and tightening approval standards for transplants.

 

 

 

Sixty-eight different crimes more than half non-violent offenses such as tax evasion and drug smuggling are punishable by death in China. That means the death vans are likely to keep rolling.

 

 

 

All from: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006 ... -van_x.htm

 

 

 

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Well first off, let's look at how China is beginning to favour lethal injections over firing squads. I'm pretty sure that firing squads are not always going to kill the person immediately, and may take several shots more. For this the lethal injections seem more humane than what's currently being done in China for the majority of death eligible crimes, like tax evasion.

 

 

 

That's the first thing, do you think these death vans and what they offer, a more 'safe' and 'timely' manner of execution over a crude execution? I honestly think that lethal injection is far better for all those involved, not just the offender, however portable death vans not so much.

 

 

 

Secondly, there's the rumour that the organs afterwards are sold into the organ market, since the bodies aren't released and are cremated on death. Even though it's hearsay and most likely most of us have been conditioned to assume the worst from China, I personally wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be true. However I do agree with it. Those organs aren't what made the criminal, thus why put them to waste? Really, when you die, if your organs are viable, they should be used. The amount of lives that could be saved by those that die with usable organs is huge. Especially since so many need transplants.

 

 

 

Lastly the death vans themselves. All that comes to my mind is that the government is just utilizing symbolic fear and mental embarrassment to the family or related friends to the criminal that gets executed in a much public manner of being taken from your home, prison or wherever and executed. The amount of hysteria that these vans produce as they drive by is just frightening. I can't believe that such death vans were even put into production and were then used.

 

 

 

Anyways what's your thoughts on the vans production, use and the process which happens in the execution of the criminals (if you could call them criminals in some cases).

[baalboy5]

Only in America..... :roll:

 

 

 

O wait! :lol:

 

Seriously though, that kinda suspicious, but what are up with the extreme kills? Just kill them, dont use vans or fire squads that overdoing it.

 

I agree that they are making public fear with these exaggering killings.

[InkofDeath]

Only in America..... :roll:

 

Yea, this is something that will be joked on hard if this gets to the mass media and/or public online.

[Dizzle229]

How the hell did China execute more people than Texas?

[Nadril]

How the hell did China execute more people than Texas?

 

 

 

This is a serious question?

[mmmcannibalism]

Secondly, there's the rumour that the organs afterwards are sold into the organ market, since the bodies aren't released and are cremated on death. Even though it's hearsay and most likely most of us have been conditioned to assume the worst from China, I personally wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be true. However I do agree with it. Those organs aren't what made the criminal, thus why put them to waste? Really, when you die, if your organs are viable, they should be used. The amount of lives that could be saved by those that die with usable organs is huge. Especially since so many need transplants.

 

 

 

the thing is, that choice should be up to the inmate and or his family, the government should not be gaining any profit from an execution.

[deathdrow]

what if it gets a flat tire? or it crashes?

 

would chinese people laugh, and then get killed?

[Faux]

what if it gets a flat tire? or it crashes?

 

would chinese people laugh, and then get killed?

 

 

 

Are you implying that Chinese people can't drive? =D>

[OldJoe]

Sounds good.

 

People are screwing around too much these days and aren't getting enough punishment for their crimes. I mean like, my "fun" country:

 

25 immigrants assulted 1(!) girl in in a tunnel until she lost consciousness, police has 40 statements and a 150-page investigation, and her friends told the police the name of some of them but they never got arrested. So, the case gets closed!

 

Or how about the 15 year old girl who got assulted and raped by an 43-year old, the lawyer had planend senteced him to 7 (i would prefer his whole life) years in jail, but the case is dropped. Why? Because he had threatned her and her family to kill them (but there's no evidence of it (recorded message..)). The girl tells the court that she "made up the story and had fallen on ice".

 

These are just two examples of a [bleep]ed up court system.

 

 

 

So, i would very much welcome the Chinese model.

[Riku3220]

Meh, I still think that shooting someone in the head twice is slightly more humane than lethal injection...

[Quoi_Tu]

China's government scares me. It's pretty hard to understand how so little attention can be given to basic human rights especially in a country that is developing and growing as fast as they are.

 

 

 

Sounds good.

 

People are screwing around too much these days and aren't getting enough punishment for their crimes. I mean like, my "fun" country:

 

25 immigrants assulted 1(!) girl in in a tunnel until she lost consciousness, police has 40 statements and a 150-page investigation, and her friends told the police the name of some of them but they never got arrested. So, the case gets closed!

 

Or how about the 15 year old girl who got assulted and raped by an 43-year old, the lawyer had planend senteced him to 7 (i would prefer his whole life) years in jail, but the case is dropped. Why? Because he had threatned her and her family to kill them (but there's no evidence of it (recorded message..)). The girl tells the court that she "made up the story and had fallen on ice".

 

These are just two examples of a [bleep] up court system.

 

 

 

So, i would very much welcome the Chinese model.

 

 

 

So killing replaces a crummy court system? Then you have [bleep]ed up death sentences instead of a [bleep]ed up court system.

[baalboy5]

Meh, I still think that shooting someone in the head twice is slightly more humane than lethal injection...

 

Why the hell twice?

[OldJoe]

China's government scares me. It's pretty hard to understand how so little attention can be given to basic human rights especially in a country that is developing and growing as fast as they are.

 

 

 

Sounds good.

 

People are screwing around too much these days and aren't getting enough punishment for their crimes. I mean like, my "fun" country:

 

25 immigrants assulted 1(!) girl in in a tunnel until she lost consciousness, police has 40 statements and a 150-page investigation, and her friends told the police the name of some of them but they never got arrested. So, the case gets closed!

 

Or how about the 15 year old girl who got assulted and raped by an 43-year old, the lawyer had planend senteced him to 7 (i would prefer his whole life) years in jail, but the case is dropped. Why? Because he had threatned her and her family to kill them (but there's no evidence of it (recorded message..)). The girl tells the court that she "made up the story and had fallen on ice".

 

These are just two examples of a [bleep] up court system.

 

 

 

So, i would very much welcome the Chinese model.

 

 

 

So killing replaces a crummy court system? Then you have [bleep] up death sentences instead of a [bleep] up court system.

 

 

 

Not replacing, but it would be a good addition. I really hate how people can kill a person and then get sent out after 20 years. It should be a full life-sentence, not something that you can get away with pretty easily.

 

I don't mean that the two example of cases i posted should be equal to death, but that you need a better and more firm courtsystem, harder sentences and if someone is raping or killing 2 or more - death sentence.

[evil_mumm_ra]

well, i think that's pretty damn sweet, the whole death van thing. although i'd be more in favor of firing squads just to scare the crap out of the other people who may have thought about doing whatever they did. i agree about the organs, good organs shouldn't go to waste, but as for where the money goes, if the person had a spouse/kid, give it to them, if not give to the government. as for the number of executions, of course they are going to have more than the us, look at how many laws and reasons they have for it compared to us, not even taking into account the population difference. doesn't bother me if there are more executions, or unnecessary executions. china's [bleep]ing population makes up for it, and i'm sure they don't need the extra people, or the taxes holding them in prison would cost.

[Riku3220]

Meh, I still think that shooting someone in the head twice is slightly more humane than lethal injection...

 

Why the hell twice?

 

To make sure they're dead. It's possible to survive a gunshot to the head with some brain damage but it's very rare to survive 2 bullets.

 

 

 

If they do survive both bullets we've found Jesus.

[deathdrow]

what if it gets a flat tire? or it crashes?

 

would chinese people laugh, and then get killed?

 

 

 

Are you implying that Chinese people can't drive? =D>

 

no, i was just saying that it'd be funny if it got a flat tire, because it's supposed to instill fear into the villages it goes to, and if it got a flat tire, it'd be all. funny. and. kittens.

[Quoi_Tu]

[hide=]

China's government scares me. It's pretty hard to understand how so little attention can be given to basic human rights especially in a country that is developing and growing as fast as they are.

 

 

 

Sounds good.

 

People are screwing around too much these days and aren't getting enough punishment for their crimes. I mean like, my "fun" country:

 

25 immigrants assulted 1(!) girl in in a tunnel until she lost consciousness, police has 40 statements and a 150-page investigation, and her friends told the police the name of some of them but they never got arrested. So, the case gets closed!

 

Or how about the 15 year old girl who got assulted and raped by an 43-year old, the lawyer had planend senteced him to 7 (i would prefer his whole life) years in jail, but the case is dropped. Why? Because he had threatned her and her family to kill them (but there's no evidence of it (recorded message..)). The girl tells the court that she "made up the story and had fallen on ice".

 

These are just two examples of a [bleep] up court system.

 

 

 

So, i would very much welcome the Chinese model.

 

 

 

So killing replaces a crummy court system? Then you have [bleep] up death sentences instead of a [bleep] up court system.

[/hide]

 

 

 

Not replacing, but it would be a good addition. I really hate how people can kill a person and then get sent out after 20 years. It should be a full life-sentence, not something that you can get away with pretty easily.

 

I don't mean that the two example of cases i posted should be equal to death, but that you need a better and more firm courtsystem, harder sentences and if someone is raping or killing 2 or more - death sentence.

 

I definitely agree that there are a lot of court systems that could use a little (lot) improvement. However, I'd rather the prisoner get a life's work sentence than death. I don't support murder of any kind.

[l0rd]

Meh, I still think that shooting someone in the head twice is slightly more humane than lethal injection...

 

Why the hell twice?

 

To make sure they're dead. It's possible to survive a gunshot to the head with some brain damage but it's very rare to survive 2 bullets.

 

 

 

If they do survive both bullets we've found Jesus.

 

 

 

Yep, ever seen Kill Bill?

[spacheco]

death vehicle..??

 

 

 

 

 

when did they add machine guns to bicycles?

[evil_mumm_ra]

death vehicle..??

 

 

 

 

 

when did they add machine guns to bicycles?

 

 

 

try reading the first post, and stop trolling the forums. thanks!

[pureprayer]

death vehicle..??

 

 

 

 

 

when did they add machine guns to bicycles?

 

 

 

try reading the first post, and stop trolling the forums. thanks!

 

He is trying to be funny but now that we quoted his ignorance it will be here forever.

 

 

 

[hide=]I thought you would be the first person asking where you could buy one of these.[/hide]

[das]

I would rather die to a firing squad than a lethel injection

[Riku3220]

I would rather die to a firing squad than a lethel injection

 

Not only is it a much more awesome way to die but you also can't feel death crawling onto you.

[das]

I would rather die to a firing squad than a lethel injection

 

Not only is it a much more awesome way to die but you also can't feel death crawling onto you.

 

 

 

Yep. You can look the shooter in the eye and it is something he will remember for the rest of his life. You go out with a since of honor by firing squad, compared to a slow, painful death that renders you useless, would rather at least stand on my two feet instead of being strapped down in a van injected and tossed out after i died.

[i_love_burritos]

Fuel costs will run their economy into the ground. Hopefully.

 

 

 

No, but the idea itself is inducive of excreting bricks. The next addition should be a liquefaction and rendering plant. In the van. :pray: