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I'm pretty sure that climate change is happening, that it is man-made, that it will be worse than we expect (but not catastrophic enough to end humanity completely), and that we won't solve the issue before it occurs. Whether you think that is true or not, suspend disbelief with me for this thread and assume that you too think that it will happen and that it will lead to a breakdown in organised society.

 

 

 

I have been thinking to myself how to prepare for such a scenario. Where would be the best place to live? (i.e. what area of the world? country or city? populated or empty? on a hill or near a river?) What life skills would be necessary to survive? What tools should one own?

 

 

 

A few months ago I read The Road - Cormac McCarthy. It is about a post-apocalyptic world, where a father and son just try to survive in a world where the other humans have taken to capturing, killing and eating each other. Do you think that this could occur?

 

 

 

Obviously there is some creative license in this, since no one knows what the effects of climate change would be, especially in specific areas (hotter? colder? wetter? dryer? stormier?) however please try to keep basically realistic (on the premise of: "what would happen if climate change was much worse than we thought?").

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I would gather weapons and ammunition (preferrably AK-47s or something to that effect) and get several friends and other settlers and make a military-controlled colony.

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Arm myself with some sort of repeating firearm.

 

Or that tank in your avatar...

 

 

 

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Humanity degrading, from the civilized conditioning we've been brought up with, to a hiearchy of our primal instincts would take long years of disorganization, and constant change that stops us from organizing, communicating and advancing in our 'somewhat governing systems' we naturally try to implement.

 

 

 

The conditions needed though is:

 

 

 

- the total lack and production of food by not having the knowledge to produce food

 

- the fear, real or not, of dying naturally, by friends/enemies, or by an unknown entity

 

- having no hope whatsoever

 

- being oppressed

 

- following by others acting on their instincts

 

- inability to form security for more than 2 years at a time

 

 

 

The entire world degrading, isn't unlikely, but it wouldn't happen. 500 millionish in North/South America together? Yea, we're going to organize groups, and then start to rebuild. Exploring > Farming > Industrialize > Tech Advancement. Would happen much quicker, but would still happen. Unless it got killed off by the agriculture part.

 

 

 

You'd need to be stranded on an island for such civilized devolution to happen, with no outside contacts/variables conflicting the internal variables.

 

 

 

I'd provide a priority skill that everyone needs in order to survive. Hunting, tracking, farming, leading, exploring, peacekeeper, or any role that presents itself would be one I'd exploit into taking and fulfilling. I would not cause conflicts, just provide and keep my opinions to myself and follow no one, but provide to all.

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i'd eat people for food. yeah i'd go straight for the cannibalism.

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i'd eat people for food. yeah i'd go straight for the cannibalism.

 

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Take the opportunity to create my own society. Or capture and torture people until their spirits are broken. Then use them as slave labor. Either way its basically the same thing.

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i'd eat people for food. yeah i'd go straight for the cannibalism.

 

 

 

 

 

:roll: Thats a given. EMR, you crazy sunnuva.

 

 

 

I agree with Skatedog, not only this type of complete and utter social breakdown would take many years of isolation, completley lack of knowledge of how to use and exploit food substances. And lastly severance of any relations.

 

 

 

Hell, I'd break out the 303, when EMR starts coming at me.

 

 

 

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I'd grab a Bible.

 

Why? Well...

 

 

 

A Bible is nice and heavy; good for bashing people's heads in.

 

A Bible is nice and thick; good for repelling bullets.

 

A Bible is thick; makes you slightly taller when you stand on it.

 

A Bible has lots of paper in it; good for starting fires.

 

A Bible opens up; good for covering your head when it rains.

 

A Bible has a lot of paper in it; good for "long" toilet breaks.

 

A Bible is valued; good for selling to get some spare change.

 

A Bible is black; good for camouflaging your face in the dark.

 

A Bible is thick; good for using as a pillow.

 

A Bible is flat; good for using as a plate when eating food.

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It's always fun to read people's utopias where they get a massive dry-food storage and huge amounts of ammunition. It doesn't matter how many guns or ammo you have, if another larger group encounters you, you will almost surely be robbed or killed in complete anarchy.

 

 

 

What you really need is to band up with the most people you personally know and trust. Without the rule of law the biggest group of humans will steal from the weak individuals and possibly tax them.

 

 

 

You are nothing alone if the law isn't there to protect you. Find about 20-30 people, your relatives and closest friends & their families, and fortify some positions. If possible pool your money together to buy some armored vehicles as well. That's what people do in Somalia and Sudan. The less fortunate ones living in small villages not organising with arms get obliterated.

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Work quick, work fast, find some decent survivors in a bunker, and watch TV for the rest of the apocalypse.

 

But with civilization broken down, nobody would be making tv. You'd be stuck with old land before time videos, and what you have on your tivo, that is assuming you can generate some sort of power to run said appliances.

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:shock: This thread scares me. Why is everyone so quick to just break down to primitive instincts (such as needing weapons).

 

 

 

I would just simply get a group of people and head for the centre of North America, where we really wouldn't be affected by rising sea levels, and then just try to make it alive.

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Work quick, work fast, find some decent survivors in a bunker, and watch TV for the rest of the apocalypse.

 

But with civilization broken down, nobody would be making tv. You'd be stuck with old land before time videos, and what you have on your tivo, that is assuming you can generate some sort of power to run said appliances.

 

 

 

fine then, to plan B.

 

Make a utopian communist society!

 

And by communist I mean totalitarian, because it's not going to be utopian if I'm not supreme overlord.

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Living in Scotland finally has its advantages, we're hilly enough to deal with a rise in sea levels. We wouldn't be too badly affected, we have oil so we'd be okay on that front as well. The only worry would be a slow down in the North Atlantic drift which would render us an even colder nation but we wouldn't quite be uninhabitable.

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Take a trip to Wal-Mart and organize a Nuclear War kit we've had ready for 15 years now (also handy in case of terrorist attack or other cataclysmic events!)

 

 

 

Kit includes:

 

-Dry food to provide sustenance for one week

 

-Two flats of bottled water (to be bought when world conditions degrade to the threat of cataclysm

 

-50 12-gauge shotgun shells for hunting/self protection (no more, because I'd expect to be killed in the case of self defense)

 

-300 rounds .22LR ammunition for hunting (squirrel on a stick, yum!)

 

-Four knives (paring, bayonet, Gerber multitool, and pocketknife)

 

-A GPS unit to be powered off my car battery, four maps (Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and the US)

 

-A journal and pencils

 

-Flashlights (I will have three)

 

-Batteries, batteries, batteries

 

-$200-$500US for bartering/exchange as long as it holds value

 

-A backpack with clothing/shoes

 

-Tent/sleeping bag (already in my car since I enjoy camping)

 

-Routes to low population towns/cities with no tactical benefit (aka not getting nuked)

 

 

 

My dad and I actually already have routes and meeting places set up for evacuation from Texas on multiple routes (includes a lot of Dairy Queens). Mostly post-9/11 stuff when there was a serious threat of low-yield nuclear detonation in Dallas, but it could still apply. If there was a threat of crap hitting the fan, I'd probably have the car packed and ready aside from the guns, so I could hit the road as soon as said cataclysmic event takes place.

 

 

 

I really have to say, climate change will likely not break down organized society. The Day After Tomorrow is a serious fanw**k of a film that caters to more of the extreme left and Al Gore than anything. I think it's pretty much given away when the reporter states "ironically, millions of Americans are entering Mexico illegally" blah blah blah. Such climate change in a matter of days would be impossible (not to mention TEXAS would have been just as safe as Mexico :P). And it would only cause issues in the coastal regions of the nation, which should have plenty of time to evacuate.

 

 

 

And let's not forget the human equation. Humans abhor the state of nature (lack of government). We would organize ourselves into communities for protection and begin to rebuild society. Even if Texas becomes a winter wonderland. Just means we have to dress in thicker clothes now, doesn't it? Global nuclear war? We'll probably survive as modern tactics mandate that warheads detonate in the atmosphere, where fallout will gradually fall inert (instead of picking up dirt from a ground blast and lasting for hundreds of years). It would require a serious paradigm shift for most people, but going back to the stone age with modern tools and firearms will have an incredibly rapid technology. You'd have the agricultural and technological revolutions happening simultaneously, with both affecting each other. It would be a better world (like how technology is used to maximize agricultural gain, but the growth of technology is used to fulfill the needs of agriculture and society instead of being pleasure boxes and game spheres).

 

 

 

All it takes is a quick trip to Wal-Mart to be ready :).

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