Incest, Bestiality, and Polygamy

[magekillr]

While on the topic of gay marriage, religious conservatives almost always bring up the red herring of, "What next? Marrying your dog or your brother? What about polygamy?"

 

 

 

So, about these issues:

 

 

 

Incest--> This should be legal, and I see no reason why it should not be unless there were obvious cases of child abuse and manipulation.

 

 

 

Bestiality--> This should also be legal, but I don't think that they should be given marriage benefits because it's a tad bit ridiculous to go down to your local animal shelter, pick up a cat and marry it, and be given the same legal rights as my parents. I might as well be given the benefits if I weren't married at all, which makes no sense. Anyway, sex with animals should be legal, state-recognized marriage should not.

 

 

 

Polygamy--> If you can have multiple wives and NOT abuse your children, I don't see anything wrong with this. There's an extreme link between child abuse and polygamy, but the main problem here is giving so many benefits to so many people at once. If these marriages were state recognized, there'd need to be serious restructuring of the law. I don't see such a restructuring as feasible or practical, so for all intensive purposes I doubt I'd ever support state-recognized polygamous marriages. If they'd like to have orgies or multiple partners, then have at it.

[Zierro]

What about necrophilia and pedophilia?

[magekillr]

What about necrophilia and pedophilia?

 

 

 

Necrophilia--> See post below.

 

 

 

Pedophilia--> Should obviously be illegal because child abuse is not something that I condone, and that's exactly what pedophilia is. Now, the age of consent should be 16 in my opinion, so that might be a pedophilia by some standards...but not by most of the Western nations including a few US states. Pedophilia is also a disease, unlike homosexuality.

[Flyingjj]

One problem with necrophilia, pedophilia, and even bestiality, is one of consent. A dead person cannot consent, children cannot consent, and animals cannot state their opinion on anything, let alone give consent to having sex.

[magekillr]

One problem with necrophilia, pedophilia, and even bestiality, is one of consent. A dead person cannot consent, children cannot consent, and animals cannot state their opinion on anything, let alone give consent to having sex.

 

 

 

Yes, that can be used as an argument I suppose. However, do animals really consent to being slaughtered for food or being our pets, either? Animals don't consent to a lot of things, and we don't seem to have a problem with them.

 

 

 

Necrophilia is also almost always associated with serial murderers, among other problems in the head, so maybe we shouldn't allow that. However, necrophilia occurs in nature among animals other than humans...so who knows. Again, I haven't thought extensively about this issue, per se. There's also a big public health issue dealing with this. There'd also have to be limits placed on how long the body could be kept as well. I think it's safe to say that this should remain illegal now that I've given it some thought.

[Flyingjj]

I get to stick my tongue out at you on the "consent to being slaughtered" point, as I don't necessarily advocate that. I'm vegetarian. :P

 

 

 

Pets, hmm... Pets at this point have lives only because we give it to them. If they weren't pets, they would not likely survive.

[MisterGreen]

Incest- banned for obvious reasons, the chance of having a child with genetic problems is greatly increased.

 

 

 

Bestiality- Ridiculous and disturbing, It isn't a natural occurence in the first place, killing and eating animals is, however.

 

 

 

Polygamy- Can lead to serious family problems(such as child abuse, favoritism, etc.,) apparent in mormon familys, it is also degrading to women.

[fastortoise]

Green here pretty much summed up my opinion is fewer words, so here is my new altered post.

[magekillr]

Incest- banned for obvious reasons, the chance of having a child with genetic problems is greatly increased.

 

 

 

That's actually not true. It only increases the frequency of homozygotes, which will only have negative birth defects if it's widespread and continued throughout their families' gene pool for generations on end [1]Second, there's also an increased chance of birth defects in children born to women over the age of 35 and/or born to parents who were born with inherent defects (blindness), yet we let blind people and cougars have sex.

 

 

 

Bestiality- Ridiculous and disturbing, It isn't a natural occurence in the first place, killing and eating animals is, however.

 

 

 

Who cares what's natural and what isn't, and who's to say what's natural and what isn't? It's not causing a problem in the Scandinavian countries where it's legal, and I don't think it will cause a problem elsewhere, either.

 

 

 

Polygamy- Can lead to serious family problems(such as child abuse, favoritism, etc.,) apparent in mormon familys, it is also degrading to women.

 

 

 

Well, wives could have multiple husbands *shrug*. However, I acknowledge the points about child abuse.

[Da_Latios]

What the hell is wrong with you? Incest? That's disgusting! Bestiality is like homosexuality - unchangeable in some, but still wrong.

 

Polygamy? You can't love multiple people the same way. It's wrong.

 

 

 

They are all wrong, both ethically and logically (we don't need more [developmentally delayed]ed children than we already do) and should remain illegal.

 

Bestiality is not much of a threat in terms of contaminating the gene pool, as humans and animals cannot create offspring.

[Racheya]

Incest while morally probably not that bad to me, can have genetic repercussions..

 

 

 

Beastiality... can't get consent really.

 

 

 

Polygamy, tbh I don't care, dude wants more than one wife it's his choice. I'll laugh when he gets murdered by wife #1 for spending more time with wife #3.

[Flodder450]

If i type out my sayings about this ill be flagged as:

 

Pervert

 

Horny

 

Sicko

 

 

 

Ty

[Riku3220]

Incest - I have no problem with this, as along as they use every modern day protection method to avoid pregnancy.

 

 

 

Bestiality - While animals can't consent they're all extremly horny(or atleast the males)... I mean really, dogs hump people's legs!

 

 

 

Polygamy - If the women have no problem with sharing then go ahead.

[Flodder450]

Incest - I have no problem with this, as along as they use every modern day protection method to avoid pregnancy.

 

 

 

Bestiality - While animals can't consent they're all extremly horny(or atleast the males)... I mean really, dogs hump people's legs!

 

 

 

Polygamy - If the women have no problem with sharing then go ahead.

*cough* german shepherd dogs *cough*

[RichieMcD]

Honestly, I find both the first 2 situations disgusting and unnatural while the third I think is acceptable but there is quite often negative consequences to it.

 

 

 

I don't see how someone can find having sex with a family member or an animal arousing.

[obfuscator]

I don't believe any of those are right, although I can't say I support gay marriage either.

 

 

 

The only one I could see being legalized is Polygamy - providing the women are actually consenting it's a matter of choice I suppose.

[OldJoe]

Illegal, illegal and illegal.

 

I hope you will never run as prime minister or president.

 

I can't describe how angry i would be if i met a person who'd done something like the thing you've mentioned, especially number 1 and 2.

[obfuscator]

Illegal, illegal and illegal.

 

I hope you will never run as prime minister or president.

 

I can't describe how angry i would be if i met a person who'd done something like the thing you've mentioned, especially number 1 and 2.

 

To be honest, polygamy will probably eventually become legal.

 

 

 

Now that gay marriage is beginning to become legalized, it's only a matter of time before polygamy will be too. (Provided, of course, that the women are actually consenting)

[Barihawk]

While I understand your position as being completely anti-Christian right, you are going down a road of being blinded by these prejudices.

 

 

 

The abhoration of incest goes back way before Christ, and even before Judaism. In ancient Greek and Chinese culture, it was considered the most heinous crime against nature. People would kill over incestuous relationships.

 

 

 

You condone pedophilia as a sickness, but you do not say the same of bestiality. If being attracted to young children is a sickness, what stops being attracted to animals as a sickness as well? One could go on a limb and say the same about homosexuality according to that very logic, after all. After all, "sick" is a social construct and there is no scientific way to measure it except against our own societal norms. It's not logical to say that one sexual attraction is sick, but another is A-OK. Necrophilia falls under this category as well.

 

 

 

Polygamy is a bit more easy-going. This is an obvious social construct regarding marriage and is practiced around the world. It may offend my sensibilities but there is nothing inherently wrong with it in the social context. However, as some have stated it is up to the women involved. Polygamy has been practiced for thousands of years around the world and many men have been killed over the affections of one of their brides. But sure, I'd be willing to let men experience this for themselves. The emperors and kings who practiced polygamy had power and riches as their companions. It might be harder for schmoe-joe to pull it off.

[OldJoe]

Illegal, illegal and illegal.

 

I hope you will never run as prime minister or president.

 

I can't describe how angry i would be if i met a person who'd done something like the thing you've mentioned, especially number 1 and 2.

 

To be honest, polygamy will probably eventually become legal.

 

 

 

Now that gay marriage is beginning to become legalized, it's only a matter of time before polygamy will be too. (Provided, of course, that the women are actually consenting)

 

 

 

Yes, i would easier accept polygamy but i still don't believe it should be legal.

[obfuscator]

Illegal, illegal and illegal.

 

I hope you will never run as prime minister or president.

 

I can't describe how angry i would be if i met a person who'd done something like the thing you've mentioned, especially number 1 and 2.

 

To be honest, polygamy will probably eventually become legal.

 

 

 

Now that gay marriage is beginning to become legalized, it's only a matter of time before polygamy will be too. (Provided, of course, that the women are actually consenting)

 

 

 

Yes, i would easier accept polygamy but i still don't believe it should be legal.

 

 

 

Oh, nor do I, I've just resigned myself to the fact.

[Bauke]

Incest- banned for obvious reasons, the chance of having a child with genetic problems is greatly increased.

 

 

 

That's actually not true. It only increases the frequency of homozygotes, which will only have negative birth defects if it's widespread and continued throughout their families' gene pool for generations on end [1]Second, there's also an increased chance of birth defects in children born to women over the age of 35 and/or born to parents who were born with inherent defects (blindness), yet we let blind people and cougars have sex.

 

 

It actually is true. You increase the frequency of homozygotes, yes. But, since pretty much everbody carries a few recessive alleles that cause diseases, you do increase the chance of a rare hereditary disease when two people with a lot of DNA in common produce offspring. That's a simple conclusion based on the fact that the chance to combine to recessive alleles causing a disease is much greater in family than when a person carrying a recessive gene produces offspring with someone in the general population.

[obfuscator]

Incest- banned for obvious reasons, the chance of having a child with genetic problems is greatly increased.

 

 

 

That's actually not true. It only increases the frequency of homozygotes, which will only have negative birth defects if it's widespread and continued throughout their families' gene pool for generations on end [1]Second, there's also an increased chance of birth defects in children born to women over the age of 35 and/or born to parents who were born with inherent defects (blindness), yet we let blind people and cougars have sex.

 

 

It actually is true. You increase the frequency of homozygotes, yes. But, since pretty much everbody carries a few recessive alleles that cause diseases, you do increase the chance of a rare hereditary disease when two people with a lot of DNA in common produce offspring. That's a simple conclusion based on the fact that the chance to combine to recessive alleles causing a disease is much greater in family than when a person carrying a recessive gene produces offspring with someone in the general population.

 

 

 

Aha, that makes sense. *Remembers Grade 12 Bio*

[unkn0wnwarrior]

The only one (from the original post) I really have a problem with is bestiality. As has been said, the animals can't really give their consent. As for the second post, neither one can really give their consent, and therefore should obviously not be tolerated.

[Howlin0001]

I don't see how someone can find having sex with a family member or an animal arousing.

 

Well that just shows that were all humans, were all different and have different tastes in stuff.