[snip]

[RichieMcD]

Not really. You cant get a life changing disease that might kill you from weed.

 

 

 

Lung Cancer.

 

 

 

Research please before you post. Cannabis smoke has no form of carcinogenics (what give Cancer) in it, just standard mix of Carbon dioxide and other chemicals in smoke. Smoking Cannabis is actually healthier on the body compared to Tobacco.

 

 

 

Not to mention as well there's no deaths attributed to smoking Cannabis within recorded history, smoking's probably around a 200,000 a week or higher throughout the world.

[Nadril]

Pot is, yes, less harmful than many other illegal drugs. Say we legalize it. Now, the second least harmful illegal drug becomes the least harmful illegal drug and so on. You legalize chronic why not legalize lsd, or meth? How about heroine? To all those pot smokers, buy the seeds through the many magazines and grow it yourself. :pray: not to be caught.

 

 

 

To original post: :thumbdown: I suppose you'll think twice about gettin' that high.

 

 

 

Yeah that's totally not a strawman. Lol if we legalize pot then we should legalize meth and heroine! :roll:

 

 

 

Why is it I've never heard a good argument for marijuana illegality. Most of them resort to either strawmans or spouting off uninformed "facts" about the drug. Of course I guess it shows that all of those D.A.R.E programs and such are working by brainwashing these kids who think it's comparable to meth.

[Riku3220]

OP should just suck it up and take whatever punishment is dealt to him.

 

 

 

On the debate topic I don't really see why marijuana should be legalized for recreational use seeing as there's no positive effects for that. I see no point of everyone shouting out positive medical facts when the people actually doing just want the feeling of being high.

 

 

 

And while marijuana may not kill somebody directly they can still cause someone to do something stupid. Sure you can bring up that alcohol has the same effect but you have to remember that alcohol has been around since before the Romans and legalizing marijuana is only going to make more accidents happen.

[Guest User]

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[Nadril]

It is still less harmful than both alcohol and cigarettes, both which are legal. Your argument made no sense because meth, heroin and other hard drugs are much more dangerous than alcohol, cigarettes or weed.

 

 

 

The point is there is no reason not to have marijuana illegal when alcohol and cigarettes are legal. And yes, when abused I'm very sure that it has side effects, just like when you abuse alcohol, or smoking or anything else.

 

 

 

Making something illegal on the basis that someone will abuse it is stupid, because people can abuse anything.

 

 

 

And while marijuana may not kill somebody directly they can still cause someone to do something stupid. Sure you can bring up that alcohol has the same effect but you have to remember that alcohol has been around since before the Romans and legalizing marijuana is only going to make more accidents happen.

 

 

 

That doesn't make any sense at all riku.

[Bloodstain]

 

Marijuana, however harmful, is still harmful. This government website supports this fact. This refutes some arguments of the pro-legalization group. This page provides statistics relating marijuana use and fatal automobile incidents. My opinion resides with the argument that pot should remain illegal.

 

 

 

Oh cool a totally impartial party, aka the government who wants to keep weed illegal :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. However, at this time, it not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence. Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses, including addiction, stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. At the present time, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders6.

 

 

 

Correlation != causation. I can also link you to studies that show marijuana has no effect on mental health, and if I remember from researching it, that it also does not do a hell of a lot to interfere with driving while high.

 

 

 

Actually I found it

 

 

 

 

Recent research into impairment and traffic accident reports from several countries shows that marijuana taken alone in moderate amounts does not significantly increase a driver's risk of causing an accident -- unlike alcohol, says Smiley, an adjunct professor in the department of mechanical and industrial engineering. While smoking marijuana does impair driving ability, it does not share alcohol's effect on judgment. Drivers on marijuana remain aware of their impairment, prompting them to slow down and drive more cautiously to compensate, she says.

 

 

 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/19 ... 110700.htm

 

 

Detrimental effects of cannabis use vary in a dose-related fashion, and are more pronounced with highly automatic driving functions than with more complex tasks that require conscious control, whereas alcohol produces an opposite pattern of impairment. Because of both this and an increased awareness that they are impaired, marijuana smokers tend to compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies.

 

 

 

http://hempus.org/?p=171

 

 

 

 

 

Your second website is kind of a mess, third has some funny stuff and some possibly plausible.

 

 

 

Honestly though, we could go back and forth all day long countering each other with studies probably. For me what it comes down to is smoking weed is a victim less crime and really isn't that dangerous, so why not make it legal and tax the hell out of it?

 

 

 

Oh, and by vaporizing marijuana you can eliminate pretty much all the risks that come with smoking, like cancer. For the record, I have never smoked weed once in my life, and only seen it once for a brief moment. One day I plan to be a cop so I'm pretty much never going to smoke weed

[i_love_burritos]

Gotta' agree with Nadril here, Riku.

 

 

 

Since when does "age" account for anything ?

 

 

 

Heroin has been used since 3000 BC.

 

 

 

Bloodstain trys so hard to be a rebel. :P

[Bloodstain]

Gotta' agree with Nadril here, Riku.

 

 

 

Since when does "age" account for anything ?

 

 

 

Heroin has been used since 3000 BC.

 

 

 

Bloodstain trys so hard to be a rebel. :P

 

 

 

I'm kind of curious to see what smoking it is like, but doing that pretty much automatically eliminates me from being accepted as a cop, so I can live with out it

[Riku3220]

Gotta' agree with Nadril here, Riku.

 

 

 

Since when does "age" account for anything ?

 

 

 

Heroin has been used since 3000 BC.

 

 

 

Bloodstain trys so hard to be a rebel.

 

 

 

Meh, the age part was just explaining why alcohol is legal.

 

 

 

However legalizing marijuana is only going to add to the indirect deaths alcohol causes.

[Nadril]

Gotta' agree with Nadril here, Riku.

 

 

 

Since when does "age" account for anything ?

 

 

 

Heroin has been used since 3000 BC.

 

 

 

Bloodstain trys so hard to be a rebel.

 

 

 

Meh, the age part was just explaining why alcohol is legal.

 

 

 

However legalizing marijuana is only going to add to the indirect deaths alcohol causes.

 

 

 

I'd prefer you try and back that up. Wouldn't you assume those who abuse marijuana to the point of it causing (or indirectly causing) death would already be abusing it, legal or not?

[i_love_burritos]

Oops, sorry. I said heroin. I meant opium.

[Riku3220]

Gotta' agree with Nadril here, Riku.

 

 

 

Since when does "age" account for anything ?

 

 

 

Heroin has been used since 3000 BC.

 

 

 

Bloodstain trys so hard to be a rebel.

 

 

 

Meh, the age part was just explaining why alcohol is legal.

 

 

 

However legalizing marijuana is only going to add to the indirect deaths alcohol causes.

 

 

 

I'd prefer you try and back that up. Wouldn't you assume those who abuse marijuana to the point of it causing (or indirectly causing) death would already be abusing it, legal or not?

 

You wouldn't necessarily have to be abusing it to cause an accident. Legalizing it will only bring more people to do it and with more people comes more idiots.

[Bloodstain]

Gotta' agree with Nadril here, Riku.

 

 

 

Since when does "age" account for anything ?

 

 

 

Heroin has been used since 3000 BC.

 

 

 

Bloodstain trys so hard to be a rebel.

 

 

 

Meh, the age part was just explaining why alcohol is legal.

 

 

 

However legalizing marijuana is only going to add to the indirect deaths alcohol causes.

 

 

 

I'd prefer you try and back that up. Wouldn't you assume those who abuse marijuana to the point of it causing (or indirectly causing) death would already be abusing it, legal or not?

 

You wouldn't necessarily have to be abusing it to cause an accident. Legalizing it will only bring more people to do it and with more people comes more idiots.

 

 

 

This is all just hypothetical. Base your opinion on facts and studies that you have, not "what if's". I could make a "what if" for any situation, so really doing that is kind of pointless

[Zonorhc]

Why is it that I never see any non stoner argue for pot.

 

I don't do any illegal drugs, but I always argue that weed should be legalised and taxed.

[Promise]

Here is something I learned in a certain class...

 

 

 

Weed is considered the gateway drug. It leads you to much stronger addictive drugs...crack cocaine. Read on...

 

 

 

When you do something you enjoy, receptors in your brain release a chemical called dopamine. Eventually it passes through all the receptors and goes to the center of your brain which is the reward pathway. It creates the good feelings, some activities will release more dopamine than others. Like something pleasurable such as kissing will trigger more dopamine to be released compared to eating a bar of chocolate.

 

 

 

The first time you try drugs. Huge amounts of dopamine is released, and thats why drugs feel so good. But this is the bitter sweet part. Even though it feels so good, your body will eventually build a tolerance to it. This leads to higher dosages, not dangerous with weed considering you can't OD. The problem is, when you do activities that normally make you feel good, lets say surfing, your body has built a tolerance to the dopamine, so even though your doing something you normally enjoy, it doesn't feel fun like it once did.

 

 

 

Eventually, when weed doesn't cut it for you, people will begin experimenting with much more stronger drugs such as crack cocain, which will release more dopamine than weed. The cycle repeats itself. You grow an immunity and you look for stronger drugs and high dosages. Playing with these new drugs is a lot more dangerous, its the big leagues kid and you'll probably die or go to jail.

 

 

 

This is why weed is considered the "gateway drug," it leads to bigger, badder, and more addictive drugs...

 

 

 

So when people tell you nah weed is safe, its BS. Take the classes I was forced to take and learn. It will definitely effect your future decision making when it comes to drugs.

[Lenin64]

Gotta' agree with Nadril here, Riku.

 

 

 

Since when does "age" account for anything ?

 

 

 

Heroin has been used since 3000 BC.

 

And prostitution is the oldest know profession, back to the Greeks.

[Zierro]

Just get him to realize it's not as bad as he thinks. Show him research, statistics, whatever it takes. If that doesn't work then it's his fault that his closed-mindedness is ruining his relationship with his son.

 

 

 

PS: Adam, you're so punny. :lol:

[Dexek]

Well as long as it isn't laced with anything and you don't try to convince other people to do it, I don't see a problem. However, he's your father so he likely will see a problem. Just be sure to let your friend know that you lost it on him. (see what I did there, you know what to do). Just don't give their name. :lol:

[Levon_]

Well as long as it isn't laced with anything and you don't try to convince other people to do it, I don't see a problem. However, he's your father so he likely will see a problem. Just be sure to let your friend know that you lost it on him. (see what I did there, you know what to do). Just don't give their name. :lol:

 

 

 

Yeah I'm almost positive it wasn't laced, and I never forced anyone to do it. I definitley won't be saying any names.

 

 

 

*changed original post and title*

[fastortoise]

Just tell him you use it responsibly and that it doesn't affect your school work and that you'll keep getting high grades. That's all most parents really care about, so try and convince him that you aren't wasting your life on weed. Also, you should never keep weed in your school bag. But I think you've already learned that lesson :lol:

[Georgelemmons]

Gf Rust

 

 

 

 

 

Man up, face the consequences, apologize, ect. Do what it takes. If you decide to do it again, be positive you won't get caught, or you're screwed.

[Lateralus]

*snip*

 

 

 

The gateway argument is pathetic, and another distortion of correlation and causation. They tell you most people who go on to take heroin started out smoking weed, and I'm sure this is perfectly correct. What about the much larger percentage of people who smoke weed and don't go on to take heroin? There's almost certainly a much larger group of people who drink alcohol and take heroin, or smoke cigarettes and take heroin. Did you know that 99.9% of murderers and rapists started out eating bread? 100 percent of the people who have died in car crashes were known water drinkers.

 

 

 

Chilling figures.

[obfuscator]

*snip*

 

 

 

The gateway argument is pathetic, and another distortion of correlation and causation. They tell you most people who go on to take heroin started out smoking weed, and I'm sure this is perfectly correct. What about the much larger percentage of people who smoke weed and don't go on to take heroin? There's almost certainly a much larger group of people who drink alcohol and take heroin, or smoke cigarettes and take heroin. Did you know that 99.9% of murderers and rapists started out eating bread? 100 percent of the people who have died in car crashes were known water drinkers.

 

 

 

Chilling figures.

 

Very chilling. :cry:

 

 

 

Personally I know I couldn't handle weed; I have an addictive personality and have trouble concentrating as it is. As long as people use it responsibly its their choice. I wouldn't do it personally but I won't stop anyone.

[Wisp]

Here is something I learned in a certain class...

 

 

 

Weed is considered the gateway drug. It leads you to much stronger addictive drugs...crack cocaine. Read on...

 

 

 

When you do something you enjoy, receptors in your brain release a chemical called dopamine. Eventually it passes through all the receptors and goes to the center of your brain which is the reward pathway. It creates the good feelings, some activities will release more dopamine than others. Like something pleasurable such as kissing will trigger more dopamine to be released compared to eating a bar of chocolate.

 

 

 

The first time you try drugs. Huge amounts of dopamine is released, and thats why drugs feel so good. But this is the bitter sweet part. Even though it feels so good, your body will eventually build a tolerance to it. This leads to higher dosages, not dangerous with weed considering you can't OD. The problem is, when you do activities that normally make you feel good, lets say surfing, your body has built a tolerance to the dopamine, so even though your doing something you normally enjoy, it doesn't feel fun like it once did.

 

 

 

Eventually, when weed doesn't cut it for you, people will begin experimenting with much more stronger drugs such as crack cocain, which will release more dopamine than weed. The cycle repeats itself. You grow an immunity and you look for stronger drugs and high dosages. Playing with these new drugs is a lot more dangerous, its the big leagues kid and you'll probably die or go to jail.

 

 

 

This is why weed is considered the "gateway drug," it leads to bigger, badder, and more addictive drugs...

 

 

 

So when people tell you nah weed is safe, its BS. Take the classes I was forced to take and learn. It will definitely effect your future decision making when it comes to drugs.

 

The gateway drug argument has been proven false countless times. Pretty much the only people who still preach about it are the government sponsored programs that have not changed since like, the 60s, despite any new research that comes up.

 

 

 

Ritalin is a lot worse than a lot of illegal drugs, yet we prescribe it to children. Caffeine is far more addictive than marijuana, and the "withdrawal" is much worse.

 

 

 

As for the argument that marijuana is harmful, and causes health issues, why do we allow rock climbing, hang gliding, sky diving, swimming, diving, boxing, wrestling etc. all of those are for enjoyment and have caused infinitely more deaths than pot.

[Bloodstain]

Here is something I learned in a certain class...

 

 

 

Weed is considered the gateway drug. It leads you to much stronger addictive drugs...crack cocaine. Read on...

 

 

 

Eventually, when weed doesn't cut it for you, people will begin experimenting with much more stronger drugs such as crack cocain, which will release more dopamine than weed. The cycle repeats itself. You grow an immunity and you look for stronger drugs and high dosages. Playing with these new drugs is a lot more dangerous, its the big leagues kid and you'll probably die or go to jail.

 

 

 

This is why weed is considered the "gateway drug," it leads to bigger, badder, and more addictive drugs...

 

 

 

 

I knew someone would come up with this BS argument. It isn't the gateway drug, it's simply the most common type of drug, so people who do heavier drugs will of course tried marijuana at least once, not the other way around.

 

 

 

edit: And I can see it's already been tackled