Cigarettes

[Nowayout59]

The argument about weed not being as bad as ciggs is flawed because some people smoke a pack of ciggs a day while I doubt anyone will smoke 20 joints in a day. I can guarantee if someone smoked the same number of joints and ciggs a day, the health effects associated with each would be different.

[evil_mumm_ra]

Apparently the FDA is warning against E-Cigs.

 

 

 

FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes

 

 

 

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced that a laboratory analysis of electronic cigarette samples has found that they contain carcinogens and toxic chemicals such as diethylene glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze.

 

 

 

Electronic cigarettes, also called e-cigarettes, are battery-operated devices that generally contain cartridges filled with nicotine, flavor and other chemicals. The electronic cigarette turns nicotine, which is highly addictive, and other chemicals into a vapor that is inhaled by the user.

 

 

 

These products are marketed and sold to young people and are readily available online and in shopping malls. In addition, these products do not contain any health warnings comparable to FDA-approved nicotine replacement products or conventional cigarettes. They are also available in different flavors, such as chocolate and mint, which may appeal to young people.

 

 

 

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/ ... 173222.htm

 

 

 

So it seems the alternative isn't better if at all.

 

 

 

the amounts of those are so small it doesn't matter. it is the better alternative. Nicotine itself is derived from tobacco, and thusly will contain very small trace amounts of the carcinogens, less than the nicotine patch/gum/whatever too.

 

 

 

These products are marketed and sold to young people and are readily available online and in shopping malls

 

 

 

BS. you still have to be 18 to buy it because it's still considered a cigarette.

 

n addition, these products do not contain any health warnings comparable to FDA-approved nicotine replacement products or conventional cigarettes. They are also available in different flavors, such as chocolate and mint, which may appeal to young people.

 

 

 

more BS. the kiosk next to mine has the standard FDA smoking warning on them because that is currently the only control the FDA has over them. also, OMG FLAVORS APPEAL TO EVERYONE GOD DAMMIT. NOT JUST YOUNG PEOPLE.

 

 

 

also, the FDA is being challenged by a ton of US doctors and stuff (don't have the article on me, not sure if it's online) to put out quantitative information about what they found, instead of saying "yeah we found them" because they'll be there in any nicotine product, just in lesser amounts depending on how pure the nicotine is.

 

 

 

also, the kiosk next to me at work has a report from new zealand's equivalent of the FDA from a year or so about the e-cig. it deems them exactly as they are marketed, a healthier alternative. the FDA doesn't control everything, they just want the tax money from cigarettes. if they produce quantitative information that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that e-cigs are bad, i'll eat my shoe and go back to regular cigarettes all the time.

 

 

 

I can understand your point of view on this, thanks. But you would think that the electronic cigarettes companies would fight this, but they haven't.

 

 

 

they are. the court date deciding the fate of the e-cigarette at least for the smoking everywhere company is decided on august 18th.

[FunPhish]

It's illegal to smoke inside stores, restaurants, and bars in New Jersey.

 

 

 

Same here in Bama', it's not such a big deal this time of year but when Winter rolls around it's like torture, I always end up half finishing my cigarettes because I just get too damned cold.

 

 

 

Try January in northern Minnesota. I'm glad I don't live there anymore, but I feel sorry for all my drinking buddies.

 

 

 

Ha, man I can only imagen. It doesn't even really drop below 70 till' January here. The cool thing is that after 11pm the ban lifts, that's when tha' bars start passing out the ash trays :mrgreen: .

[Range_This11]

 

Try January in northern Minnesota. I'm glad I don't live there anymore, but I feel sorry for all my drinking buddies.

 

I go to St. Cloud for College and that's half the reason I quit. 25 mph winds outside during the dead of winter were not fun to smoke in. Your hand freezes.

[Necrobean]

It has been proven that tobacco has a greater physical harm than marijuana, LSD,and MDMA(ecstasty). Anways I don't smoke ciggarettes, I hate them.

 

 

 

A friend of mine took an ecstasy cocktail at a rave and died.

 

I've been smoking for 3 years, i'm still alive and kicking.

 

 

 

Wheres the logic in that?

 

 

 

Although I'm pretty sure Weed is less dangerous than tobacco.

 

 

 

EDIT: If you meant long term, then that could be right, but I was thinking short term :)

 

 

 

he died of MDMA? What was in this cocktail? I call [cabbage].

 

 

 

As for me, I roll ciggies, Belgam 20 is the way to go : .

[Nero]

It has been proven that tobacco has a greater physical harm than marijuana, LSD,and MDMA(ecstasty). Anways I don't smoke ciggarettes, I hate them.

 

 

 

A friend of mine took an ecstasy cocktail at a rave and died.

 

I've been smoking for 3 years, i'm still alive and kicking.

 

 

 

Wheres the logic in that?

 

 

 

Although I'm pretty sure Weed is less dangerous than tobacco.

 

 

 

EDIT: If you meant long term, then that could be right, but I was thinking short term :)

 

 

 

he died of MDMA? What was in this cocktail? I call [cabbage].

 

 

 

As for me, I roll ciggies, Belgam 20 is the way to go : .

 

 

 

He probably just didn't drink any liquids and danced until he died. Or his heart just failed. Ecstasy does weird things to your body.

 

 

 

where i live, when you walk down the street you will always, without fail, walk into someone smoking. Sure, its their own choice, but they're giving me lung cancer too -.-

 

 

 

and the nhs spends millions on their smoking helpline and all... so it wouldnt be too bad if it was banned, but all the big ciggy companies would kick up a fuss..

 

 

 

its also not nice when you have parents who smoke and you know exactly what it does to you... coughlungcancercough...

 

 

 

it would be nice if it was made illigal to smoke in public.. but i can't see that happening, wish it would so i would stop getting second hand smoke, but meh..

 

 

 

Firstly, it takes years of heavy smoking to get lung cancer. Quit being such a god damn [kitty].

 

 

 

Second, do you really think a government that has public healthcare would not balance the tax revenue from cigarettes with the cost of treating smoking-related illnesses? There's a reason why packs of cigarettes are ~$10 each. In reality they're more like 50 cents, but $9.50 is taxes (pulling numbers out of my [wagon] here, but the taxes on it are insane - as with alcohol).

 

 

 

*cough*weknowwhatsmokingdoes*cough*

 

 

 

Last, no. No group should have control over public space, or hell, public air. Next people will be shouting about banning cars, as the exhaust can cause health problems. Or smokestacks. It's a slippery slope that a government does not want to find itself on.

[Necrobean]

That's why we should be able to choose to put any substance in our body as we like.

 

 

 

Still; I am glad that I live in Europe. No offence to all of you Americans, but whatever your country is doing right now; I dislike it a lot.

[forestfrolic]

That's why we should be able to choose to put any substance in our body as we like.

 

 

 

Still; I am glad that I live in Europe. No offence to all of you Americans, but whatever your country is doing right now; I dislike it a lot.

 

 

 

But secondhand smoke is very unhealthy. That's why they are creating laws making it illegal to smoke in bars and such. You are no longer just putting what you want in your body, you're indirectly putting it in other people's.

[Necrobean]

That's why we should be able to choose to put any substance in our body as we like.

 

 

 

Still; I am glad that I live in Europe. No offence to all of you Americans, but whatever your country is doing right now; I dislike it a lot.

 

 

 

But secondhand smoke is very unhealthy. That's why they are creating laws making it illegal to smoke in bars and such. You are no longer just putting what you want in your body, you're indirectly putting it in other people's.

 

 

 

Ah yes, I agree completely. Whenever i'm around non-smokers I will either take a few steps distance or ask them if they don't mind.

 

 

 

We already have laws here which forbid smoking on public transport, restaurants, ... although smoking in cafes/bars is still allowed (part of it, I guess :P)

[Robert_Rdam]

I smoke because I like it, and that's the only reason.

[psvstef]

I smoke because I like it, and that's the only reason.

 

 

 

i can't think of any other reason?

[Robert_Rdam]

I smoke because I like it, and that's the only reason.

 

 

 

i can't think of any other reason?

 

Trying to be cool, I think that's the main reason why young people, kids, start smoking.

[FunPhish]

That's why we should be able to choose to put any substance in our body as we like.

 

 

 

Still; I am glad that I live in Europe. No offence to all of you Americans, but whatever your country is doing right now; I dislike it a lot.

 

 

 

But secondhand smoke is very unhealthy. That's why they are creating laws making it illegal to smoke in bars and such. You are no longer just putting what you want in your body, you're indirectly putting it in other people's.

 

 

 

If you're going to a bar then it's kind of implied that you're going to be inhaling the equivalent of a cigarette about every 10 breaths. If you don't like second-hand then goto non-smoking places, they excist. I don't want to inhale the carbon dioxide your car puts off, maybe they should make laws against driving around other people.

[forestfrolic]

That's why we should be able to choose to put any substance in our body as we like.

 

 

 

Still; I am glad that I live in Europe. No offence to all of you Americans, but whatever your country is doing right now; I dislike it a lot.

 

 

 

But secondhand smoke is very unhealthy. That's why they are creating laws making it illegal to smoke in bars and such. You are no longer just putting what you want in your body, you're indirectly putting it in other people's.

 

 

 

If you're going to a bar then it's kind of implied that you're going to be inhaling the equivalent of a cigarette about every 10 breaths. If you don't like second-hand then goto non-smoking places, they excist. I don't want to inhale the carbon dioxide your car puts off, maybe they should make laws against driving around other people.

 

 

 

That is a ridiculous argument. Where'd you get the fact that a drink is the equivalent of a cigarette? By creating these laws, they created non-smoking areas. And smog is indeed a problem. But you don't inhale any exhaust while driving.

[Earth_Poet]

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That's why we should be able to choose to put any substance in our body as we like.

 

 

 

Still; I am glad that I live in Europe. No offence to all of you Americans, but whatever your country is doing right now; I dislike it a lot.

 

 

 

But secondhand smoke is very unhealthy. That's why they are creating laws making it illegal to smoke in bars and such. You are no longer just putting what you want in your body, you're indirectly putting it in other people's.

 

 

 

If you're going to a bar then it's kind of implied that you're going to be inhaling the equivalent of a cigarette about every 10 breaths. If you don't like second-hand then goto non-smoking places, they excist. I don't want to inhale the carbon dioxide your car puts off, maybe they should make laws against driving around other people.

 

 

 

That is a ridiculous argument. Where'd you get the fact that a drink is the equivalent of a cigarette? By creating these laws, they created non-smoking areas. And smog is indeed a problem. But you don't inhale any exhaust while driving.

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People who frequent bars are genuinely concerned about what goes in their body. :roll:

 

 

 

Why does it have to be government law to prohibit smoking in private establishments? Why can't the owner of a pub make that decision? If s/he chooses to open a nonsmoking establishment, then that should be their decision, and then they can watch all of their business migrate to the smoking pub across the street.

 

 

 

And I'm not saying this to be facetious, but how do you manage not to inhale any exhaust fumes sitting in rush hour traffic with hundreds of other cars, but you risk dropping dead of lung cancer from someone smoking a cigarette 20 feet away from you?

[perfetc]

The only bad thing about smoking is if you have some responsibility over someone, like parents. Because if they do get gravely ill, can't go to work and support the family, or die, it leaves the child without somebody to look after him. For the children's sake, parents shouldn't smoke, or at least keep it to a bare minimum.

 

 

 

Otherwise, you only live once right?

 

 

 

i can't imagine the pleasure i'd get from smoking. its nauseating, the smoke inhaled chokes you, and not to mention the price...

 

 

 

its always a plus not to smoke. ever. when i turned 18, the first thing that came to mind was to never smoke until i die.

 

 

I agree with you. Smoking never got my attention, but we can't just call it horrible and ban it just because WE don't like it.

 

 

 

And for the whole second-hand smoke argument, I'll rather be concerned with unseen smog, C02 from factories and cars, rather than some smoke that I can easily avoid.

 

 

 

The amount of co2 that comes out of the back of a car is tiny, for a car in an m.o.t it has to have less then 0.2% co2, it is almost impossible for you to kill yourself by sticking a pipe in through the window with the other end on the exhaust. Trust me ;) (DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME .... OR ANY WERE ELSE! :shame: )

 

 

 

Well food isn't too illicit. Nor does it have restrictions or tariffs or taxes. Sure, they may be not the worst thing - but there are more people smoking than those who do crack. So it makes more sense to teach them about cigarettes which they are much more likely to encounter. And smoking ciggarettes are the worst thing any "normal" person could inflict upon themselves.

 

 

 

Most food is taxed, shop at a whole saler and they charger you tax on top of almost everything.

 

 

 

Firstly, it takes years of heavy smoking to get lung cancer. Quit being such a god damn [kitty].

 

 

 

My grandad died of lung and throat cancer 40 years AFTER he stopped smoking, personally I don't think it is a coincidence.

 

 

 

I think it is daft to smoke but if you want to do it go for it, I am not going to stop you.

 

 

 

Quick question though, WITHOUT looking on the net or a packet of cigarettes do you know everything in the cigarettes and in the paper? I bet most, if not all, of you don't have a clue.

 

 

 

I find it wierd that your willing to put all these chemicals, some of which you don't even know are in them in to your body but I bet if I walked up to you with a glass of liquid and said drink that it will do everything cigarettes do but more you would want to know whats in it.

[Zierro]

Quick question though, WITHOUT looking on the net or a packet of cigarettes do you know everything in the cigarettes and in the paper? I bet most, if not all, of you don't have a clue.

 

 

 

I find it wierd that your willing to put all these chemicals, some of which you don't even know are in them in to your body but I bet if I walked up to you with a glass of liquid and said drink that it will do everything cigarettes do but more you would want to know whats in it.

 

 

 

True, but do you know every single thing about the food you eat? What about other products you use on your body such as medicine and toothpaste?

[FunPhish]

That's why we should be able to choose to put any substance in our body as we like.

 

 

 

Still; I am glad that I live in Europe. No offence to all of you Americans, but whatever your country is doing right now; I dislike it a lot.

 

 

 

But secondhand smoke is very unhealthy. That's why they are creating laws making it illegal to smoke in bars and such. You are no longer just putting what you want in your body, you're indirectly putting it in other people's.

 

 

 

If you're going to a bar then it's kind of implied that you're going to be inhaling the equivalent of a cigarette about every 10 breaths. If you don't like second-hand then goto non-smoking places, they excist. I don't want to inhale the carbon dioxide your car puts off, maybe they should make laws against driving around other people.

 

 

 

That is a ridiculous argument. Where'd you get the fact that a drink is the equivalent of a cigarette? By creating these laws, they created non-smoking areas. And smog is indeed a problem. But you don't inhale any exhaust while driving.

 

 

 

I'm thinking you misunderstood me bruh, what I was saying was that most bars are so smoked filled it's like smoking a cigarette.

[perfetc]

Quick question though, WITHOUT looking on the net or a packet of cigarettes do you know everything in the cigarettes and in the paper? I bet most, if not all, of you don't have a clue.

 

 

 

I find it wierd that your willing to put all these chemicals, some of which you don't even know are in them in to your body but I bet if I walked up to you with a glass of liquid and said drink that it will do everything cigarettes do but more you would want to know whats in it.

 

 

 

True, but do you know every single thing about the food you eat? What about other products you use on your body such as medicine and toothpaste?

 

 

 

I don't choose to eat or use those things though, you (as in all smokers) choose to smoke.

 

 

 

Before any body says I am addicted to them, why are you addicted to them? Cos you chose to start smoking

[darkace21]

 

The amount of co2 that comes out of the back of a car is tiny, for a car in an m.o.t it has to have less then 0.2% co2, it is almost impossible for you to kill yourself by sticking a pipe in through the window with the other end on the exhaust. Trust me ;) (DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME .... OR ANY WERE ELSE! :shame: )

 

 

You gotta be kidding me.

 

 

 

Almost impossible to kill yourself from pumping fumes directly into your car with the windows closed?

 

You'd be dead within a few minutes from smoke inhalation, carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide.

[Giordano]

There may be little C02 coming out, but enough C0 to kill. ;)

[Latinoking]

I can understand your point of view on this, thanks. But you would think that the electronic cigarettes companies would fight this, but they haven't.

 

 

 

they are. the court date deciding the fate of the e-cigarette at least for the smoking everywhere company is decided on august 18th.

 

 

 

I see. Sorry for my ignorance.

[perfetc]

Were did you get your level 3 light motor vehicle from? I got mine at college. :wall:

 

 

 

A fully working catalytic converter will neutralize the vast majority of harmful gas out of the car's exhaust, you would have to sit there for a good few hours just to have a very small effect on you, even then that is unlikely that it would kill you.

 

 

 

There is NO carbon monoxide, the catalytic converter oxidizes it to make carbon dioxide.

 

 

 

All of the people that say that the media make things sound worse then they are, it applies to this aswell cars arn't doing that much damage to the o zone layer and we don't have a massive amount of co2 in the air, it's about 0.03%.

 

 

 

Any body who has read the general book of ignorance should know this.

 

 

 

As of March 2009, carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration of 387 ppm by volume.

 

 

 

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide)

[PastyGangsta]

I don't smoke, don't like it, never did, end of story.

 

 

 

Trying to be cool, I think that's the main reason why young people, kids, start smoking.

 

 

 

*cough* *cough* *choke* *hack* *die*

 

Yep, very cool. :roll:

 

 

 

However I do agree with that statement, that's a big reason why some start.

[Nero]

My grandad died of lung and throat cancer 40 years AFTER he stopped smoking, personally I don't think it is a coincidence.

 

 

 

I don't quite understand what your point is here.

 

 

 

I think it is daft to smoke but if you want to do it go for it, I am not going to stop you.

 

Good thing too Mr. health police

 

 

 

Quick question though, WITHOUT looking on the net or a packet of cigarettes do you know everything in the cigarettes and in the paper? I bet most, if not all, of you don't have a clue.

 

[cabbage]-ton of chemicals that will kill me, but not instantly. There are regulations for that sort of thing ;)

 

 

 

I find it wierd that your willing to put all these chemicals, some of which you don't even know are in them in to your body but I bet if I walked up to you with a glass of liquid and said drink that it will do everything cigarettes do but more you would want to know whats in it.

 

 

 

Really? You find that weird? :|

 

Everyone understands that cigarettes are harmful to your health over the long run. However, a random drink full of chemicals a stranger tells you to drink could very well be deadly to you in the short-term.