Baby P

[Zierro]

if it belong to a god or to the court, the thief shall pay thirtyfold

 

 

 

Religious punishment is definitely something I find a problem with. I don't know what exactly Leviticus says because there's a debacle about it, but let's say for argument sake that homosexuality needs to be punished with death. I wouldn't call that an eye for an eye - more like a leg for a hair.

[Dizzle229]

if it belong to a god or to the court, the thief shall pay thirtyfold

 

 

 

Religious punishment is definitely something I find a problem with. I don't know what exactly Leviticus says because there's a debacle about it, but let's say for argument sake that homosexuality needs to be punished with death. I wouldn't call that an eye for an eye - more like a leg for a hair.

 

 

 

We've gotten far off track, we're not saying that the Code of Hammurabi should be brought back exactly as it was, just that it should fair. Kill someone, be executed in the same way. Steal from someone, lose some physical possessions. That stuff. Obviously things like the architect example are not crimes, just accidents.

[Lenin64]

Just execute 'em. Honestly, they don't deserve anything more than that. It's in the Consitution folks; Cruel and Unusual Punishment. VIII amendment, folks. And really, being sentenced to death would be like a life sentence anyway, it'd be years before it goes through. Eye for an eye works to a degree-up to the death thing-but not necessarily a spooning out for a spooning out. More like a surgical procedure for a spooning out. They'd still be dead and eyeless, not like doing it a more painful way would make them learn a lesson. They'd be dead, after all.

[nerdboyxxx]

Just execute 'em. Honestly, they don't deserve anything more than that. It's in the Consitution folks; Cruel and Unusual Punishment. VIII amendment, folks. And really, being sentenced to death would be like a life sentence anyway, it'd be years before it goes through. Eye for an eye works to a degree-up to the death thing-but not necessarily a spooning out for a spooning out. More like a surgical procedure for a spooning out. They'd still be dead and eyeless, not like doing it a more painful way would make them learn a lesson. They'd be dead, after all.

 

 

 

If someone did that to one of my family members I'd be happy with the death penalty, but be even happier with complete payback. If they can give it, they should be able to take it.

[SeanyTheSailor]

yeah, they've been put in solitary for their safety apparently.

 

 

 

hopefully what happened to Jeffery Dommer will happen to them too, all the right doors were miraculously left unlocked.....

[Dizzle229]

So that whole Gandhi thing - irrelevant?

 

 

 

Pretty much.

[Guy]

Just execute 'em. Honestly, they don't deserve anything more than that. It's in the Consitution folks; Cruel and Unusual Punishment. VIII amendment, folks. And really, being sentenced to death would be like a life sentence anyway, it'd be years before it goes through. Eye for an eye works to a degree-up to the death thing-but not necessarily a spooning out for a spooning out. More like a surgical procedure for a spooning out. They'd still be dead and eyeless, not like doing it a more painful way would make them learn a lesson. They'd be dead, after all.

 

 

 

this is in england, not the US. we don't have the death penalty.

[Lenin64]

Just execute 'em. Honestly, they don't deserve anything more than that. It's in the Consitution folks; Cruel and Unusual Punishment. VIII amendment, folks. And really, being sentenced to death would be like a life sentence anyway, it'd be years before it goes through. Eye for an eye works to a degree-up to the death thing-but not necessarily a spooning out for a spooning out. More like a surgical procedure for a spooning out. They'd still be dead and eyeless, not like doing it a more painful way would make them learn a lesson. They'd be dead, after all.

 

 

 

this is in england, not the US. we don't have the death penalty.

 

Then you also wouldn't have a torture penalty. And that Constitution stuff was for the Americans-such as duzzle-that were crying out for blood.

[Giordano]

Just because "an eye for an eye" justice came from the old Jewish religion, doesn't mean I follow their rules.

 

 

 

You see, there's this line, dividing crime/evil and not. If you are willing to cross it, ignoring alternatives, and willingly cross it, you're guilty. And the guilty should not get our rights. So giving them another chance at life when they took away another's, really does not seem fair.

[Guy]

I don't think they should be tortured, its just ridiculous that they be released in 3 years and we have to pay 1million pounds a year for their safety. Their safe in prison and deserve to be there.

[Giordano]

Just because "an eye for an eye" justice came from the old Jewish religion, doesn't mean I follow their rules.

 

 

 

You see, there's this line, dividing crime/evil and not. If you are willing to cross it, ignoring alternatives, and willingly cross it, you're guilty. And the guilty should not get our rights. So giving them another chance at life when they took away another's, really does not seem fair.

 

It's evil to kill a child but everyone wants to let people out of Guantanamo who as terrorists may have conspired to kill THOUSANDS.

 

I said guilty. The thing with Guantanamo is that we haven't verified it. Once verified then do what you wish with them. :D

[Guy]

Just because "an eye for an eye" justice came from the old Jewish religion, doesn't mean I follow their rules.

 

 

 

You see, there's this line, dividing crime/evil and not. If you are willing to cross it, ignoring alternatives, and willingly cross it, you're guilty. And the guilty should not get our rights. So giving them another chance at life when they took away another's, really does not seem fair.

 

It's evil to kill a child but everyone wants to let people out of Guantanamo who as terrorists may have conspired to kill THOUSANDS.

 

 

 

not trying to go off topic, but Guantanamo was a terrible place where the US locked up people for the safety of the US with no regard to human rights or international law, and held people there for years without trial. It's different killing a 17 year old baby slowly after torturing him, and being killed by terrorists. Lets not get offtopic

[Guy]

Just because "an eye for an eye" justice came from the old Jewish religion, doesn't mean I follow their rules.

 

 

 

You see, there's this line, dividing crime/evil and not. If you are willing to cross it, ignoring alternatives, and willingly cross it, you're guilty. And the guilty should not get our rights. So giving them another chance at life when they took away another's, really does not seem fair.

 

It's evil to kill a child but everyone wants to let people out of Guantanamo who as terrorists may have conspired to kill THOUSANDS.

 

 

 

not trying to go off topic, but Guantanamo was a terrible place where the US locked up people for the safety of the US with no regard to human rights or international law, and held people there for years without trial.

 

And this is somehow different than torturing these three people to death for torturing a child to death?

 

 

 

Yeah, I'm done with this thread.

 

I agree it would probably be suitable punishment, especially as they seemed to enjoy torturing him.. But everyone is arguing about they should be killed/tortured. They should just remain in prison and not drain a million quid a year, especially in the current economic times.

[Giordano]

Everyone is envisioning their child / sibling.

 

That's THE idea. It's called human compassion. :roll: You know? We should care for other humans?

[Giordano]

Everyone is envisioning their child / sibling.

 

That's THE idea. It's called human compassion. :roll: You know? We should care for other humans?

 

And yet the guilty ones don't get rights?

 

 

 

Damn, I need to stop posting here...

 

I said before, the guilty are not to be recognized as humans with rights. Innocent and guilty.

 

 

 

"That's THE idea. It's called the innocent human compassion. :roll: You know? We should care for other innocent humans like ourselves (hopefully you are...)?"

[fastortoise]

Everyone is envisioning their child / sibling.

 

That's THE idea. It's called human compassion. :roll: You know? We should care for other humans?

 

And yet the guilty ones don't get rights?

 

 

 

Damn, I need to stop posting here...

 

I said before, the guilty are not to be recognized as humans with rights. Innocent and guilty.

 

 

 

"That's THE idea. It's called the innocent human compassion. :roll: You know? We should care for other innocent humans like ourselves (hopefully you are...)?"

 

You can't start deciding who deserves human rights or not. Nobody is allowed making that decision, which is why there are no exceptions. Can't you see what would happen if we started doing that?

 

 

 

These people did something bad, and they're getting punished. Just because the media said they're only going to jail for <10 years doesn't mean it's true. Geez, it's like everbody develops dense-skull syndrome when they hear a white baby has died. Get over it, [cabbage] like this happens all the time and as far as I'm concerned, countries are serving proper punishments. People just like to see others suffer more when a white person dies, which explains a lot about our world.

[i_love_burritos]

Sick, just sick and horrible.

 

 

 

They all deserve to die in the most painful way possible.

 

 

 

I have no hesitation in saying that.

 

 

 

Geez, it's like everbody develops dense-skull syndrome when they hear a white baby has died. Get over it, [cabbage] like this happens all the time and as far as I'm concerned, countries are serving proper punishments. People just like to see others suffer more when a white person dies, which explains a lot about our world.

 

 

 

Yes it does. But it doesn't change the fact that even if this does happen everywhere all the time as you so delicately put it - I think the punishment should be the same.

[Zierro]

You can't start deciding who deserves human rights or not. Nobody is allowed making that decision, which is why there are no exceptions. Can't you see what would happen if we started doing that?

 

 

 

Well, he's talking theoretically and it's definitely debatable but I do agree.

 

 

 

There should be a harsh consequence to crossing the line. I feel that this would prevent the line from being crossed as much. Yes, there will be some people who will commit atrocities no matter what the current punishments are, but there are probably also a lot of people who are desensitized to jail and the risk of getting put back there is worth committing another crime in their eyes.

 

 

 

What should that harsh consequence be? If you cross someone else's line then your line should be crossed over too. If you feel that an innocent human being deserves no empathy and you brutally murder them, then what on earth makes you think you should be any different? If you think there is nothing wrong with murdering someone, fine, but that means it wouldn't be wrong for someone to kill you.

[Chicken102]

any form of torture would be too good for them, I would go into graphic detail about how I would punish them, but I don't think the mods would like it. :thumbup:

[EdgedThesis]

Do a study on why the hell they did that.

 

 

 

And if they feel no regret or can provide no useful information, beat them brain-dead and keep them as beating-heart corpses for use in transplantation and research.

[Racheya]

Coming from Britain that's all I heard about in the news. Nobody disagrees that they deserve a big fat term in prison, but it's that the system and social services did nothing to protect Baby P that got the tabloids a' rollin'. Could the social services done better for Baby P? If they had would it have saved a needless death?

[walka92]

honestly for something like this, "an eye for an eye" wouldnt be good enough. it should be more like "an eye for an eye, a foot, 4 fingers and a lung"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

let em rot in prison for the rest of their life :thumbup: and not in solitary, either

[psvstef]

well,they got there punishment,so free is free.

[DerekZoolandah]

I'm like Silver. I'm so unbelievably sick of everyone saying in every single thread like this 'Oohh guys I'd tell you what I'd do to them, torture is too nice, blah blah' .. just no. They're horrible, horrible human beings. They torture babies. Do you want to lower yourself to the level of a baby torturer?

 

 

 

It's also very irritating, cliche, and repetative.

 

 

 

Not to mention, in my opinion, a life in solitary confinement is one of the worst possible punishments you can have. Just think about it - for the next x (assumably 50) years of your life, you will never talk to another person. You will never be able to contribute, or have fun, or have a life, or do anything normal whatsoever. Everyday will be spent with yourself, just thinking to yourself, every single day. Thinking 'How could I do that?'.

 

 

 

I don't know about you all, but I'd easily take 2 months of torture then execution than even 15 years in solitary. I couldn't be able to handle being so godawful bored and left to myself.

 

 

 

honestly for something like this, "an eye for an eye" wouldnt be good enough. it should be more like "an eye for an eye, a foot, 4 fingers and a lung"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

let em rot in prison for the rest of their life :thumbup: and not in solitary, either

 

 

 

Again, you're repeating the cliche of every thing everyone has said in every threat like this.

 

 

 

Also, they wouldn't be rotting in prison if they're in the general population. They'd probably be stabbed or choked or some form of death.

 

 

 

Gah.

 

 

 

/rant

[Azvareth]

Jesus christ you people have issues.