Dire_Wolf Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Obtained from killing: Evil cyclops (Level 130) Location: Warrior guild Attack style: Magic and melee Max hit: 16 with Magic and 20 with melee Tradeable? No Quest needed? Yes After the quest which will be a quest related to Warrior guild, the cyclops lady will reward you with some experience in melee skills and opportunity to kill 10 Evil cyclops everyday. Drop rate of Dragon defender is 1 in 200. STATS STAB ATTACK: +31 SLASH ATTACK: +33 CRUSH ATTACK: +26 STAB DEFENCE: +26 SLASH DEFENCE: +23 CRUSH DEFENCE: +20 MAGIC DEFENCE: +0 RANGED DEFENCE: +2 STRENGTH: +8 PRAYER: +0 Support tabs [hide=Concept Art by Players]These concept arts are not made by me, and i do not claim to own them. They are just illustrations for this suggestion and the expectation known as the "Dragon defender" :D . Hopefully it will be a good factor into convincing a future release of the item. VIDEOS [yt]vz62qZNqJow[/yt] [yt]qU2j3MIZn0s[/yt] [yt]YelFJXM9seA[/yt] [yt]1JTkRJok3QA[/yt] [yt]ZyyCozuzakI[/yt] [yt]Hfvnwhg5fg[/yt] [yt]U569H2XRXiQ[/yt][/hide][hide=Dragon defender]1. SirHemen 2. demonsbane37[/hide] NOTE: Barrow defender was removed because it seemed like a little bit to much for many players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannas Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 I would argue that defenders are overpowered as it is, but i do like the idea of a dragon one. But only with the addition of a new quest or something. Thank you to tripsis for an awesome sig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 I would argue that defenders are overpowered as it is, but i do like the idea of a dragon one. But only with the addition of a new quest or something. Rune defender is not overpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonsbane37 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 may i ask why the dragon defender has better offencive stats than the barrows defender? and why is there no explanation of how they would be brought into the game? i like the idea of a dragon defender, perhaps from a cyclopes boss? in the eastern lands? =P~ and the barrows defender makes no sense as none of the six brothers used a defender, or even a one-handed weapon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 may i ask why the dragon defender has better offencive stats than the barrows defender? and why is there no explanation of how they would be brought into the game? i like the idea of a dragon defender, perhaps from a cyclopes boss? in the eastern lands? =P~ and the barrows defender makes no sense as none of the six brothers used a defender, or even a one-handed weapon... I wanted just to get enough players to support release of the items. How Jagex do it is up to them. The Barrow defender is included because it's something that we want too. Barrow brothers were controlled by a evil diety, and i think it's the Mahjarat Sliske. Maybe Barrow defender can be introduced into game along with Sliske's appearance? Dragon have weak defence, while barrow have great. So Dragon defender gets offensive stats with less defence and Barrow defender gets defensive stats with more strength bonus and slight prayer bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonsbane37 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 may i ask why the dragon defender has better offencive stats than the barrows defender? and why is there no explanation of how they would be brought into the game? i like the idea of a dragon defender, perhaps from a cyclopes boss? in the eastern lands? =P~ and the barrows defender makes no sense as none of the six brothers used a defender, or even a one-handed weapon... I wanted just to get enough players to support release of the items. How Jagex do it is up to them. The Barrow defender is included because it's something that we want too. Barrow brothers were controlled by a evil diety, and i think it's the Mahjarat Sliske. Maybe Barrow defender can be introduced into game along with Sliske's appearance? Dragon have weak defence, while barrow have great. So Dragon defender gets offensive stats with less defence and Barrow defender gets defensive stats with more strength bonus and slight prayer bonus. that makes a little more sense, perhaps using the barrows defender with the rest of a barrows set could activate a weakened version of its special? im sure nobody would mind hitting 60-70 with a whip at -10 hp :D or healing with a d scim? anywas in case you didnt notice i support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 that makes a little more sense, perhaps using the barrows defender with the rest of a barrows set could activate a weakened version of its special? im sure nobody would mind hitting 60-70 with a whip at -10 hp :D or healing with a d scim? anywas in case you didnt notice i support. Well i made some more info. Both Barrow and Dragon defenders will not be tradeable. Barrow defender>Obtained from Sliske's chest which you can loot after you do a hard quest Dragon defender>Obtained from Evil cyclops in Warrior guild after doing another hard quest So not tradeable. Barrow defender have insane stats already, adding special effect will make it overpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphi Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Well, I think a barrow defender sounds rather wierd, and I would rather it were called a dark defender. As far as is known, all of the barrow brothers use 2 handed weapons, so why would there be a defender? Taking this into account, the link to Sliske doesn't make much sense. Aside from that, I think its an okay idea. Also, putting "If you don't like it, don't post" is stupid. What if somebody doesn't like it but has constructive critisicm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGHATERMEATLOVER Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 I don't think the barrows defender would work as some barrows armour is two handed. Otherwise I support dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J35u5_M4 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Hmm...I support dragon but the idea of barrows is absurd to me, I mean, we don't even have boots, and the gloves right now are not exactly called barrows they only have the same color, all barrows items come from the brothers, so you would have to create a brother that uses the defender to have a good excuse to bring it to the game :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLootChests Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 melee is already over powered Effigies: 5 draconic visage: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadBandit64 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 I like the dragon defender, not so much on the barrows "In order to lead, you must learn how to carry your followers upon your shoulders""A man is not only defined by his abilities, but also by those of the men with which he surrounds himself""The meek fight for skill and fame, the strong fight for power with the skill and fame they already have" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 People use rune defenders over DFS sometimes. EVERYONES going to use a barrows defender. I'm thinking it would be a bit overpowered. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share Posted August 16, 2009 Well, I think a barrow defender sounds rather wierd, and I would rather it were called a dark defender. As far as is known, all of the barrow brothers use 2 handed weapons, so why would there be a defender? Taking this into account, the link to Sliske doesn't make much sense. Aside from that, I think its an okay idea. Also, putting "If you don't like it, don't post" is stupid. What if somebody doesn't like it but has constructive critisicm? There is trollers on forum that likes to be a idiot. Here is a example: "ROFL............ On-topic: No i don't agree" As you can see, he or she says something stupid then tries to "clean it" by saying a on-topic comment also. If you have good constructive critism then the "Don't post" don't follow you. So no what i typed is not stupid. melee is already over powered The item will not be tradeable, and will require a hard quest. No melee is not overpowered... When your a low level ranger what can you do? You can safespot deadly monsters Can melee do that? No Can magers do that? Yes but with a cost. Eventually as your melee skills become better you can manage to do that, but until your higher levels you can forget that and range can do that and not use much cash. So melee being "Overpowered" is incorrect. If there is a thing that's wrong it is the cost of runes for magers (Non PvP, PvP can use ancient and earn cash back). But magers that don't do PvP (Slayer, Boss hunting etc), should have some sort of runes that is cheap and effective for them to use. Now that said, let's not continue that discussion as that's not the topic. I like the dragon defender, not so much on the barrows Fair enough. People use rune defenders over DFS sometimes. EVERYONES going to use a barrows defender. I'm thinking it would be a bit overpowered. Despite better defence, does everyone use Barrow torag/Dharok/Verac? No They use Dragon/Bandos. Barrow defender is something i just put out there and hoped for best. But i got a idea of how you can present Dragon and Barrow defender. Some of the idea is already on first topic. Anyhow here is how it will be. Are they tradeable? No Hard quest needed? Yes How to get them: Dragon defender - You get opportunity to kill ONLY 10 Evil cyclops every day at Warrior guild which can potentially drop Dragon defender. Barrow defender - You get to loot a "Chest" (Sliske's maybe?) ONLY 2 times a day and potentially get a Barrow defender. I think if you do it that way it would be good. You can also make it so you can't use the defenders on PvP but that can be discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Gabe Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Obtained from killing: Evil cyclops (Level 130) Location: Warrior guild Attack style: Magic and ranged Max hit: 16 with Magic and 20 with melee Mistake? Three months banishment to 9gag is something i would never wish upon anybody, not even my worst enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share Posted August 16, 2009 Obtained from killing: Evil cyclops (Level 130) Location: Warrior guild Attack style: Magic and ranged Max hit: 16 with Magic and 20 with melee Mistake? Yeah that was a mistake, supposed to be melee :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandr_die Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 God no... For one thing, the "Barrow defender" doesnt fit AT ALL with the current storyline... The cyclopes came from the east, and as far as i know have no relation to any of the mahjarrat. It's also much too overpowered, with no real challenge in getting it as far as i can see, other than trying each day... As for the dragon defender, it could work. But the monster that drops it is much too weak. We're talking about an offensive version of the dfs, with the same magnitude of stat boosts... The cyclops should be at least level 250+, with a max hit of 25 in melee and... lets say 32 in magic. That would at least prove to be somewhat of a challenge for higher leveled players. The dragon defender could also be an addition that comes along with the eastern lands, say the leader of those cyclopes in the warriors guild. What. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted August 16, 2009 Author Share Posted August 16, 2009 God no... For one thing, the "Barrow defender" doesnt fit AT ALL with the current storyline... The cyclopes came from the east, and as far as i know have no relation to any of the mahjarrat. It's also much too overpowered, with no real challenge in getting it as far as i can see, other than trying each day... As for the dragon defender, it could work. But the monster that drops it is much too weak. We're talking about an offensive version of the dfs, with the same magnitude of stat boosts... The cyclops should be at least level 250+, with a max hit of 25 in melee and... lets say 32 in magic. That would at least prove to be somewhat of a challenge for higher leveled players. The dragon defender could also be an addition that comes along with the eastern lands, say the leader of those cyclopes in the warriors guild. Barrow defender does not fit at all with the current storyline but a Dragon claw does when it came to the quest "While guthix sleeps"? Tell me why? Dragon claw was released through "While Guthix sleeps" in which the player character choose along with represent of Saradomin, Armadyl and Guthix to go after Lucien and his helpers. Then BOOM Dragon claw and platebody was introduced through the quest. First of all just because Dragon platebody was expected does not mean it fit the storyline. Even if you could explain that, you can not explain Dragon claw. A item does necessary have to go along/fit the storyline but if it does then it would make good sense and be better. Sliske seems to be the mahjarat that gave the barrow brothers their powers. It is said that Sliske is a sly and smart evil diety, and that's what the "Stranger" in the barrow brothers story seems to be. I don't know what you mean about Cyclops coming from east, but i can tell you this is Runescape where monsters are released in a area in Runescape. And based on my suggestion "Evil cyclops" a strong miniboss will be released in Warrior guild through a quest (There is already Cyclops there!). Also to get Barrow defender you can only loot a chest called "Sliske's chest" only two times a DAY! To get Dragon defender you get the chance for it as drop through Cyclops lady. She will let you kill 10 of them a DAY! How is that not challenging? As a player who loves "Way of the warrior" both of those sounds great!!!!!!!!! NOTE: Sliske's chest is not "Come and loot", it should have a trick to it. Also Barrow defender is not overpowered, it's a high level item. It takes time to get it and it's not tradeable and you will need a very hard quest to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkingdeat4 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Wow : Hemen, this is a GREAT idea. I dont support Dragon defender cause i just dont like it lol. i would love a barrows defender. :ohnoes: |99 Attack|99 Strenght|99 Defence|99 Constitution|99 Range||99 Construction|99 Fletching|"...teh blog..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladycai Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I don't really consider Barrows as part of the original armors, probably because you can't smith them :lol: (But Dragon too?) Yet it's only a minigame reward, so I don't think a Barrow Defender would be a good idea. I'd like to see a Dragon Defender alongwithadragoncrossbow :thumbsup: 95/99 Summoning95/99 Slayer [hide=This is what you look like when you play RS too long][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 I don't really consider Barrows as part of the original armors, probably because you can't smith them :lol: (But Dragon too?) Yet it's only a minigame reward, so I don't think a Barrow Defender would be a good idea. I'd like to see a Dragon Defender alongwithadragoncrossbow :thumbsup: Fair enough ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattR Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I don't think that we really need another defender. Especially the barrows one. I'm not going to support either, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLootChests Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 [hide=]Well, I think a barrow defender sounds rather wierd, and I would rather it were called a dark defender. As far as is known, all of the barrow brothers use 2 handed weapons, so why would there be a defender? Taking this into account, the link to Sliske doesn't make much sense. Aside from that, I think its an okay idea. Also, putting "If you don't like it, don't post" is stupid. What if somebody doesn't like it but has constructive critisicm? There is trollers on forum that likes to be a idiot. Here is a example: "ROFL............ On-topic: No i don't agree" As you can see, he or she says something stupid then tries to "clean it" by saying a on-topic comment also. If you have good constructive critism then the "Don't post" don't follow you. So no what i typed is not stupid. melee is already over powered The item will not be tradeable, and will require a hard quest. No melee is not overpowered... When your a low level ranger what can you do? You can safespot deadly monsters Can melee do that? No Can magers do that? Yes but with a cost. Eventually as your melee skills become better you can manage to do that, but until your higher levels you can forget that and range can do that and not use much cash. So melee being "Overpowered" is incorrect. If there is a thing that's wrong it is the cost of runes for magers (Non PvP, PvP can use ancient and earn cash back). But magers that don't do PvP (Slayer, Boss hunting etc), should have some sort of runes that is cheap and effective for them to use. Now that said, let's not continue that discussion as that's not the topic. I like the dragon defender, not so much on the barrows Fair enough. People use rune defenders over DFS sometimes. EVERYONES going to use a barrows defender. I'm thinking it would be a bit overpowered. Despite better defence, does everyone use Barrow torag/Dharok/Verac? No They use Dragon/Bandos. Barrow defender is something i just put out there and hoped for best. But i got a idea of how you can present Dragon and Barrow defender. Some of the idea is already on first topic. Anyhow here is how it will be. Are they tradeable? No Hard quest needed? Yes How to get them: Dragon defender - You get opportunity to kill ONLY 10 Evil cyclops every day at Warrior guild which can potentially drop Dragon defender. Barrow defender - You get to loot a "Chest" (Sliske's maybe?) ONLY 2 times a day and potentially get a Barrow defender. I think if you do it that way it would be good. You can also make it so you can't use the defenders on PvP but that can be discussed.[/hide] thats because melee'rs dont need to safe spot they have armour.. and they accualy can safe spot bye using a hally... Effigies: 5 draconic visage: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 thats because melee'rs dont need to safe spot they have armour.. and they accualy can safe spot bye using a hally... So you can safespot Metal dragons with Dragon halberd? Because with antifire potion and a step away the dragon you can safespot all dragons expect Brutal, KBD and Mithril dragons. As for armour, rangers don't need it. They can just safespot. Don't say melee is overpowered when range can safespot and melee can't effectively. Ranged - distance and at most monsters a safespot>So safety Melee - close combat>Damaged Melee becomes the better option as skill is leveled, and it's deserved that. It costs cash for food, potions, good armour etc for melee. Dragon hally gives a safespot option, but it's slow and not everyone have Dragon as choice. So if you go under Dragon you end up slow and less accurate damage hitting attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Is_Great Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I really like the idea of the dragon defender coming from a cyclops boss. But the barrows one doesn't make any sense to me :| From a chest? :?: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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