Why?

[frogmite]

Many things, idea's and customs in this world are analyzed. You have your ultimate questions about god and religion thought about by everyone; why am I here? Is there a God? Now im sure if i put one of those questions up for though i'd get many many different awnsers but to be honest thats boring. We've heard all the arguements and scrutinised all the idea's and everyone has formulated there own opinion. So i put this to you, i will ask a very basic question beggining with the word "why" and you guys must try and awnser it and defend your point and maybe, just maybe we can get some good discussion out of it. :P

 

 

 

These of couse will hopefully be original and maybe we will actually get a few people who havnt made up there mind yet so i give you the first question and some tangents off of it that you may wish to develop then in a week or so if its popular il post another question, just as bizzare and wonderful as the first.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why is there such a thing as makeup?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Is it wrong for men to wear makeup?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully an intresting question and one you havnt really explored before, you can use all the referances you want and any other research or facts but we dont need an awnser, although if you make a point be prepared to back it up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i will post my own thoughts and feeling straight away if its needed or later on in reply to someone elses post.

[KnightLite]

depends what kind of makeup and how girlie it makes u look, i guess. I dunno odd topic for me to talk about.. :oops:

[hipyhop101]

well u odviously never seen a hot girl close up coz when they take off the makeup then ull see why they wear it coz u would never get that close without it

 

 

 

stupid question

 

 

 

yeah men can wear it if there homosexual or like there body

[AThousandLies]

Many things, idea's and customs in this world are analyzed. You have your ultimate questions about god and religion thought about by everyone; why am I here? Is there a God? Now im sure if i put one of those questions up for though i'd get many many different awnsers but to be honest thats boring. We've heard all the arguements and scrutinised all the idea's and everyone has formulated there own opinion. So i put this to you, i will ask a very basic question beggining with the word "why" and you guys must try and awnser it and defend your point and maybe, just maybe we can get some good discussion out of it. :P

 

 

 

These of couse will hopefully be original and maybe we will actually get a few people who havnt made up there mind yet so i give you the first question and some tangents off of it that you may wish to develop then in a week or so if its popular il post another question, just as bizzare and wonderful as the first.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why is there such a thing as makeup?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Is it wrong for men to wear makeup?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully an intresting question and one you havnt really explored before, you can use all the referances you want and any other research or facts but we dont need an awnser, although if you make a point be prepared to back it up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i will post my own thoughts and feeling straight away if its needed or later on in reply to someone elses post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Make-up is for the purpose of making people look more glamorous, more presentable and in general, better. It allows people to come off in a better light and for them to be seen at their best. Save from some hazardous chemicals in certain forms of make-up, and some cruel testings of cosmetic products on animals, I think make-up is a good thing. Others will probably argue that it is super-ficual, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding men wearing make-up; I don't see a problem with it. I've worn make-up before (nail-polish, eye-liner, lip-stick) if I'm going to a costume, fancy dress party or sometimes if I just feel like looking spiffy when I go out. All the penis-envious macho men who think they're tough and hardcore will argue that "make-up is for [bleep]s" or some such crap. But reasoning with a redneck is like masturbating to a picture of the queen; it gets you nowhere and leaves you tired and sore.

[frogmite]

 

 

 

Make-up is for the purpose of making people look more glamorous, more presentable and in general, better. It allows people to come off in a better light and for them to be seen at their best. Save from some hazardous chemicals in certain forms of make-up, and some cruel testings of cosmetic products on animals, I think make-up is a good thing. Others will probably argue that it is super-ficual, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding men wearing make-up; I don't see a problem with it. I've worn make-up before (nail-polish, eye-liner, lip-stick) if I'm going to a costume, fancy dress party or sometimes if I just feel like looking spiffy when I go out. All the *-envious macho men who think they're tough and hardcore will argue that "make-up is for *" or some such crap. But reasoning with a redneck is like masturbating to a picture of the queen; it gets you nowhere and leaves you tired and sore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But does it make them look more "glamerous" simply because thats whats recognised that make up does? or is it simply because it does actually make you look better. For instance just look at michael jackson he has taken makeup to the extreme and has it all over his body. Isnt plastic surgery and "body bleaching" (whether this is what happened is besides the point) the new makeup? Almost everyone finds him unattractive so is it simply that makeup is only nice because its recognised as supposed to be nice or does it have an accurate effect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah men can wear it if there homosexual or like there body

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But should that be the case? why it is that if a man wears make-up he's thought of as homosexual.

[____]

I'm not a big fan of makeup on females or males.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But to answer the questions:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. I just see it as something to mask blemishes of the skin and to 'enhance' certain features (cheeks, eyes, lips, etc).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. I don't see why not. Granted it's more of a 'chick' thing but I don't most of you are thinking "omg that dude is wearing makeup" when you go see a movie ;)

 

 

 

But whatever. I really couldn't care less about it unless someone (male or female) feels like they have to use it every single day because they aren't happy about their looks or whatever.

[xyrec]

The reason there is makeup, is because people want to look more like what is considered better looking. Better looking is relative because people have varying ideas about what better is but regardless, there is typically in every culture a set of unspoken standards as to what is beautiful, and what is ugly, that is usually accepted by most of the population. Then those who do not meet that standard, but want to meet that standard will do things such as wear makeup or get plastic surgery to make themselves closer to that standard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Their reasons for that trying to meet that standard can be a wide variety of things. Some do it just to be admired for their beauty. Others do it to draw attention to themselves. They may want to draw attentoin just for the satisfaction of being noticed or to attract a mate or sexual partner.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the case of a sexual partner...have you ever wondered why the most popular color of lipstick is red, in varying shades, and women use pink blush on their cheeks? It's because normally when a woman is aroused, her lips grow larger and take on a reddish color or a deeper red than usual. Also the cheeks become flushed and pinkish. This look of arousal tends to seem more attractive to men. I suppose this would also apply to a homosexual attraction but in general they apply it to heterosexual attraction. If you think I'm lieing about this, I'm not, I've read about it and seen it in specials about the human body on tv.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is it wrong for men to wear makeup? Not any more than a woman. If the man wants to look closer to that standard of beauty then he has every right to use makeup as a means of doing so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But should that be the case? why it is that if a man wears make-up he's thought of as homosexual.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's because people have screwed up perceptions of homosexuals. I seriously doubt that most homosexual men wear makeup, even the effeminate ones. That's more of a metrosexual thing and a metrosexual can be straight or homosexual. Also, it's because historically men have been the ones in a position of more control. Men had the power and thus didn't have to try and please the women, the women had to try and please the men. That is probably one reason why makeup was invented in the first place and since the men didn't need it, they didn't use it and it has become stigmatized as something that only women do. In thus manner, a stereotype was born.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, my overall opinion of cosmetics in general is that they arn't needed. Personally I prefer natural beauty over fake beauty any day. I don't have anything against makeup though because it makes people feel better about themselves and that's what is most important. I just wish people could learn to feel better about themselves without cosmetic surgery or makeup.

[KnightLite]

I'm not a big fan of makeup on females or males.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But to answer the questions:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. I just see it as something to mask blemishes of the skin and to 'enhance' certain features (cheeks, eyes, lips, etc).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. I don't see why not. Granted it's more of a 'chick' thing but I don't most of you are thinking "omg that dude is wearing makeup" when you go see a movie ;)

 

 

 

But whatever. I really couldn't care less about it unless someone (male or female) feels like they have to use it every single day because they aren't happy about their looks or whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i dunno man i've seen some women without make-up and it aint pretty

[Mercifull]

Ive seen makeup ON women and it aint pretty

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[____]

For the most part it is not required, ok :P

 

 

 

In the case of the pic Matt posted, make up isn't going to help that :x

[How2PK]

Oooh! Matt, I hate you. That woman is soooo, yeeew...I can't remember her name anymore, but she was going with this rich man and she changed her looks totally for him and then she got dumped by the guy, or something like that. It was on t.v. not too long ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, nothing wrong with make up, as long as it stays decent. I couldn't care less about some eye brush (mascara?) or lipstick, or something to cover a huge spot or a wart ( :lol: ) but I don't like it when I go touch a woman her face and there's a 3 cm creme, powder and whatmore mix on my finger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For men, I really don't care if a man wants to wear make-up, really, I don't find it very interesting. If he wants do use stuff on his face, great, do it, you got my blessing. But I won't do it on my own head, make up for parties and so are exceptions of course.

[Faux]

Never looks good when there's too much make up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My gf never uses make up except for some lip stick thing and she looks beautiful :). Her friends are another case. You can go use a shovel in their faces with that much make up. :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't care less if guys want to act like a [bleep] and wear make up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not a big fan of makeup on females or males.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But to answer the questions:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. I just see it as something to mask blemishes of the skin and to 'enhance' certain features (cheeks, eyes, lips, etc).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. I don't see why not. Granted it's more of a 'chick' thing but I don't most of you are thinking "omg that dude is wearing makeup" when you go see a movie ;)

 

 

 

But whatever. I really couldn't care less about it unless someone (male or female) feels like they have to use it every single day because they aren't happy about their looks or whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i dunno man i've seen some women without make-up and it aint pretty

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I remember looking at a magazine about make up by accident. Angelina Jolie, Drew Barrymore, etc looks ugly without make up :o

[logic-is-overrated]

I occasionally use makeup to cover a pimple.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And ladies and gentlmen, I'm as manly as you can get. :roll:

[frogmite]

Ok, so most people/guyss ( all that have posted so far im guessing ) like makeup but is it really needed and is it all just used because of how its viewed in society?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For instance, i know xyrec was saying about how red full lips represent sexual arousal but what about say blue eyeshadow? does it really do anything? Surly if woman with blue eyelids were more attractive they naturally would have blue eyelids or has our society become to self concious that girl must wear makeup?

[How2PK]

Does it matter if it is needed? We can use it, so why shouldn't we use it. A computer isn't needed either, nor is a t.v. and a DVD player, or a surround set, or a cell phone, or a CD player, or a machine to do the dishes, or a microwave and so on, and so on. And all of that is for a view in society too. So you can act cool with your mighty expensive Denon home theater, or your cell phone that takes pictures and you can play nintendo games on, and your cd player with a 100 disc changer. What do you think of cars? I find it really weird we're questioning if make-up is needed or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some people DO need cosmetics to survive btw.

[Augsback]

Most lipstick contains fish scales!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I found that weird at first but its true.

[Predator]

Ive seen makeup ON women and it aint pretty

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's an actual person!? I've seen another picture of her and I thought she was like a klingon actor for Star Trek.... But that's what she looks like :shock: .

[Zippi08]

I personally dislike make-up. I never use make-up (I'm a girl, btw) because for me, make-up is like a mask hiding the real you. I can understand why people use make-up though, but I really don't think make-up is necessary on anyone.

 

 

 

I don't think I'll ever start using make-up either, at least I hope not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About men using make-up, I don't think there's anything wrong with men using them. If women use them, why shouldn't it be OK for men? Although in the beginning, I'd be a bit un-used to it.

[frogmite]

Does it matter if it is needed? We can use it, so why shouldn't we use it. A computer isn't needed either, nor is a t.v. and a DVD player, or a surround set, or a cell phone, or a CD player, or a machine to do the dishes, or a microwave and so on, and so on. And all of that is for a view in society too. So you can act cool with your mighty expensive Denon home theater, or your cell phone that takes pictures and you can play nintendo games on, and your cd player with a 100 disc changer. What do you think of cars? I find it really weird we're questioning if make-up is needed or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some people DO need cosmetics to survive btw.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok, why do we need all these appliances, why do we need houses why do we need comforts and society and what could we do without then?

[How2PK]

ok, why do we need all these appliances, why do we need houses why do we need comforts and society and what could we do without then?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A house is one of the primary needs in life, same goes for food and clothing. We don't need these 'comforts', but we can use them, so why shouldn't we? I think the discussion is rather pointless. We have got the possibility make everything easier, so we do it, but we don't need it.

[Scruffy5389]

On the topic of men wearing makeup, it is so completely and rediculously unfashionable in my particular case (don't ask) that the man wearing it would be an instant outcast. Or at least an object of ridicule.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is not the way it should be, though. You can be sure that the males paid to look good (TV and stage actors, models), all wear makeup because it does, in fact make them more broadly appealing. I bet George Bush wears makeup extremely often. Heck, Usher and 50 Cent and probly eminem all wear makeup. They'd just die before they admit it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If someone wants to put all that on, let 'em. I personally find it attractive if the girl doesn't use too much. Some people don't even need eyeshadow, but wear it anyway and it makes them look like something different than what they are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So makeup is not needed, but helpful. And certainly not immoral.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like this thread idea btw. Finally, an open-ended "why" question that is not so broad and abstract that no one can really write enough to answer the question.

[frogmite]

 

ok, why do we need all these appliances, why do we need houses why do we need comforts and society and what could we do without then?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A house is one of the primary needs in life, same goes for food and clothing. We don't need these 'comforts', but we can use them, so why shouldn't we? I think the discussion is rather pointless. We have got the possibility make everything easier, so we do it, but we don't need it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but does it actually make our society better? couldnt it simply be a long term fad? with no actual effect on survival it doesnt have a use so why is it still around? and why do people continue to use it?

[steend]

I personally dislike make-up. I never use make-up (I'm a girl, btw) because for me, make-up is like a mask hiding the real you. I can understand why people use make-up though, but I really don't think make-up is necessary on anyone.

 

 

 

I don't think I'll ever start using make-up either, at least I hope not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About men using make-up, I don't think there's anything wrong with men using them. If women use them, why shouldn't it be OK for men? Although in the beginning, I'd be a bit un-used to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have pretty much the same oppinion as her. I'm a girl too and rarely use make up. Sometimes I use a little eyeliner or eyeshadow but nothing more. For me make-up really just makes the skin look worse, having make up all over your face will make you look worse eventually cause it just keeps the air and sun away to make your skin look good. Though I have zits and all I take good care of them and I go to the beatysalon like every 2months. All I can do to make my skin look good right?

 

 

 

And also, I myself find it much more prettier to be pure and it feels so much better to show the real you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for men wearing make-up, I got no problem with it at all. My boyfriend wears make up sometimes and I have to admit it looks great on him, and if he wants to wear it he can do that. I really have no problem with it.

[CoRnMaN]

i was thinking make-up on guys, whats wrong with that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but for some reason make-up on guys bothers me. i think its becuase make-up is a feminin thing. thats why it dosnt look good on manly women or manly men. sure if ur a femmy boy eye shadow would prolly atract some ladies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think makeup looks good on women (when they know how to use it)

[Triplets_KGB]

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Is it wrong for men to wear makeup?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If by makeup you mean hairgel, anti-pimple solution, then no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Modern society, men use makeup.. and noone blinks an eyelid anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(2AM in morning... I post bad!)