A few years ago this would be absolutely horrific but since these shootings happen so often we've become desensitised to it. What gets me is that why wasn't he taken down earlier? Surely at a military base they should've reacted quicker to a shooting and taken him out earlier.

I won't say terribly much beyond this, unless you really want to get into a debate about how much human lives are really worth. It could go that way really fast.

 

If I remember right, the U.S. government said that the human life is worth about $1.4-1.6 million dollars. Somewhere around there. Not sure if you meant actual money, but...

 

On Topic: Was he really American-born? An AOL article said he was Iraqi. Didn't say anything about where he was born, though.

I won't say terribly much beyond this, unless you really want to get into a debate about how much human lives are really worth. It could go that way really fast.

 

If I remember right, the U.S. government said that the human life is worth about $1.4-1.6 million dollars. Somewhere around there. Not sure if you meant actual money, but...

 

On Topic: Was he really American-born? An AOL article said he was Iraqi. Didn't say anything about where he was born, though.

Do you remember where that was said? I find it odd that they would publicly state something like that. Not to mention assigning a static value is pointless because not everyone is worth the same.

Another guy on a rampage in orlando. 2 dead 8 wounded so far

 

E: They caught him, it's 1 dead and 5 injured

I won't say terribly much beyond this, unless you really want to get into a debate about how much human lives are really worth. It could go that way really fast.

 

If I remember right, the U.S. government said that the human life is worth about $1.4-1.6 million dollars. Somewhere around there. Not sure if you meant actual money, but...

 

On Topic: Was he really American-born? An AOL article said he was Iraqi. Didn't say anything about where he was born, though.

Do you remember where that was said? I find it odd that they would publicly state something like that. Not to mention assigning a static value is pointless because not everyone is worth the same.

I think it has to do with when people are held hostage.

What did that statement go like? "You can never put a price on a human life... but we sure can."

What did that statement go like? "You can never put a price on a human life... but we sure can."

I remember reading about it a while back, it's how much they're willing to expend or pay per person I think... Just because if they didn't have a protocol on that they could spend huge amounts of money to recover a single person. I forget how it works exactly.

A defense official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Hasan was a mental health professional — an Army psychologist or psychiatrist. Officials say it was not clear what Hasan's religion was, but investigators are trying to determine if Hasan was his birth name or if he may have changed his name and converted to Islam at some point.

 

Why do I feel like the Associated Press is trying to imply that this guy was trying to do Jihad?

 

On Topic: The guy spent years trying becoming a Major and snaps? What?

 

Thats a problem these days, kids join the military looking for money and benefits without thinking about what they might be made to do or told where to go.

 

People simply see the amount of money that you can get for college, and don't really think about what might happen. I know some who went into the military from high school who did no research whatsoever. The commercials aren't really helpful either, they never tell you everything.

Thats a problem these days, kids join the military looking for money and benefits without thinking about what they might be made to do or told where to go.

 

Pretty sure he was older than you Kriegsmier.

The commercials aren't really helpful either, they never tell you everything.

 

Despite the fact that they are extremely deceiving.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiB3vrhPDNs

 

Kids join the military because they think it'll make them look cool and that they'll get a cool career, but they end up being screwed and find out it isn't anywhere near what they think it is. The commercials really capitalise on this, to be honest.

Wow that is pretty serious. No offence, but in many ways it seems like the kind of thing that you'd expect to happen "only in America".

 

This is going to be really bad for all the Muslims in US, especially those in the military. If they didn't suffer enough already, there's going to be some pretty serious backlash.

Wow that is pretty serious. No offence, but in many ways it seems like the kind of thing that you'd expect to happen "only in America".

 

This is going to be really bad for all the Muslims in US, especially those in the military. If they didn't suffer enough already, there's going to be some pretty serious backlash.

I can agree with that. Tbh I really feel bad for Muslims sometimes, particularly in America and to some extent here in the UK. Most of them are just normal people, who follow the Muslim religion. My dad is a very racist sort of guy (He grew up around Oldham, where it's almost Pakistani/Muslim dominated), and he's like a lot of people, and tends to regard the sort of extremists that protest for Shariah Law in the UK or do insane things like 9/11, as what every Muslim is like. I think Muslims in the army now are going to have even more problems, thanks to one guy who just happened to be a Muslim.

 

And those Adverts are seriously screwed. It makes it look like a game, and something really epic and cool... they shouldn't bring people into the Army like that.

Thats a problem these days, kids join the military looking for money and benefits without thinking about what they might be made to do or told where to go.

 

Pretty sure he was older than you Kriegsmier.

 

The guy joined the army years ago.

My brother is stationed not too far away from there. He's getting transfered to D.C. though, thank God.

Thats a problem these days, kids join the military looking for money and benefits without thinking about what they might be made to do or told where to go.

 

Pretty sure he was older than you Kriegsmier.

 

He was. And? Having joined right after High School he was a kid, and most that join these days are the same...kids. Does he not realize what the military does? He joined in peacetime sure, but that doesn't mean its a cakewalk. Maybe its just my view being skewed by the fact that "Every Marine is a Rifleman", maybe the Army doesn't have that idea....to me, anyone in any branch should be ready to pick up a rifle and do what they need to do to accomplish the mission regardless of MOS/job, rank, or gender.

 

You think i chose to come to Iraq? I've been twice, here now on my second one and i didn't volunteer for either. No one wants to do it, but thats my job so i have to do it. I understood what could be asked of me when i signed up. Apparently, this guy did not.

The commercials aren't really helpful either, they never tell you everything.

 

Despite the fact that they are extremely deceiving.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiB3vrhPDNs

 

Kids join the military because they think it'll make them look cool and that they'll get a cool career, but they end up being screwed and find out it isn't anywhere near what they think it is. The commercials really capitalise on this, to be honest.

 

How is that deceiving? It's pretty much what can happen. Of course they leave the obvious extreme danger out of the commercial, but tbh, what kind of idiot joins the military not expecting danger? And if you join in peacetime not expecting to ever have to fight, then you're going to get your [wagon] kicked in training.

What really erks me is that some news outlets are spinning it to the sense that he couldn't get out, and he hated his job, and his life sucked in the military. Even if this was true, he could have easily gotten out because, if I remember correctly, the longest required term after signing is 6 yrs, and to get Major, you have to serve for a looonnnggg looonnnggg time.

What really erks me is that some news outlets are spinning it to the sense that he couldn't get out, and he hated his job, and his life sucked in the military. Even if this was true, he could have easily gotten out because, if I remember correctly, the longest required term after signing is 6 yrs, and to get Major, you have to serve for a looonnnggg looonnnggg time.

 

Yep, I think Krieg said it was like 12 years or something like that.

The commercials aren't really helpful either, they never tell you everything.

 

Despite the fact that they are extremely deceiving.

 

 

Kids join the military because they think it'll make them look cool and that they'll get a cool career, but they end up being screwed and find out it isn't anywhere near what they think it is. The commercials really capitalise on this, to be honest.

 

How is that deceiving? It's pretty much what can happen. Of course they leave the obvious extreme danger out of the commercial, but tbh, what kind of idiot joins the military not expecting danger? And if you join in peacetime not expecting to ever have to fight, then you're going to get your [wagon] kicked in training.

 

Idiots who think it's like the video games.

Idiots who think it's like the videogames aren't in the military. Recruiters are all carefully selected, and are generally selective about who they themselves recruit.

 

Who would want to join the military if they knew the [cabbage] they had to put up with? The list is almost endless.

 

But anything that makes the military seem like it's full of action and fighting today is wrong. Even on the frontlines in Afghanistan, war today is 90% waiting and rebuilding. The other 10% is battle, and it's terrible, terrible, terrible.

I'm just glad the man is alive so that he couldn't kill himself to escape the punishment. Usually all of these shooters who crack under the crap people give them end up taking their own life after taking dozens of other innocent ones, and never get to face the punishment that would have been in store for him. Now this guy can be alive to suffer all the punishment for putting the load on others to carry the burden of persecution he's been suffering from.

So in the McDonalds this evening, I briefly saw something on Fox, I think, or CNN, I forget, about investigations on whether or not this guy said "Allah Akbar". I mean, seriously? What the F. Is that honestly something they're looking at?

What really erks me is that some news outlets are spinning it to the sense that he couldn't get out, and he hated his job, and his life sucked in the military. Even if this was true, he could have easily gotten out because, if I remember correctly, the longest required term after signing is 6 yrs, and to get Major, you have to serve for a looonnnggg looonnnggg time.

 

True. A general military contract is 4x4, meaning 4 years of service and 4 years in the ready reserves (doing nothing, sitting at home waiting on a call), 6x2 is pretty popular too. If you re-enlist you can do it for 2 years if i remember correctly. So he had ample chances to say no and get out. You can also get separated, and still get an honorable discharge. He should of talked to a fellow doctor.

 

Idiots who think it's like the videogames aren't in the military. Recruiters are all carefully selected, and are generally selective about who they themselves recruit.

 

Sadly, not true. Recruiting is just a B billet (Secondary job) thats filled by anyone that can qualify for it and only for a couple of years then they move back to their normal contract job. Like for the Marines you can either choose the drill field (Drill Instructor) or Recruiter as a B billet. Quality selection these days has given way to quota sadly. The recruiters get benefits for each person they lock in and have ship to basic training, so the more the better for them. Some are good some are bad, but its mostly all based on quota now and bad ones slip through the cracks.

 

 

But anything that makes the military seem like it's full of action and fighting today is wrong. Even on the frontlines in Afghanistan, war today is 90% waiting and rebuilding. The other 10% is battle, and it's terrible, terrible, terrible.

 

This is true, lots and lots of waiting for a very brief action sequence.

 

As for the commercials, I agree, they show to much motivating stuff instead of telling you straight. The Marines just put out one thats probably one of the closest i've seen to the truth. One of my favorites actually. All imagines are straight from bootcamp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xWA1rp50rs

So in the McDonalds this evening, I briefly saw something on Fox, I think, or CNN, I forget, about investigations on whether or not this guy said "Allah Akbar". I mean, seriously? What the F. Is that honestly something they're looking at?

I saw this in the paper today, made me do a double take. Makes you question what exactly the media's purpose today is, if they're spinning all this sensationalist garbage. Bah.

So in the McDonalds this evening, I briefly saw something on Fox, I think, or CNN, I forget, about investigations on whether or not this guy said "Allah Akbar". I mean, seriously? What the F. Is that honestly something they're looking at?

I saw this in the paper today, made me do a double take. Makes you question what exactly the media's purpose today is, if they're spinning all this sensationalist garbage. Bah.

 

It's Allahu Akbar, not Allah Akbar.

 

Anyway, it doesn't take long before you find out that American media is highly sensationalist and filled with propaganda. Fox news is a prime example.