Ico, Switzerland regularly ignores the UN so it seems unlikely that the UN would have any more ability to stop Switzerland...considering Switzerland is far in advance of the UN Space program.

Also, you seem to forget that Switzerland only has about 9 million people living in it...of which about 3 million are children...We are also surrounded on all sides...and have only invaded one place in the last 800 years, and that place was only because Japan was set to annex it.

 

Also Orbital Weapons are not allowed by the UN...hence why I am not building a weapon, I am building an aircraft carrier...which is not a weapon.

Depends what you consider a weapon. If something is specifically designed to fire weapons which fire further weapons, I think it's a weapon.

 

Australia has issued dawn guards with very early exoskeleton prototypes for field testing in the arctic.

Its an orbital refueling station... It could be used to refuel a weapon...yes... Maybe I should blow up all the gas stations in Europe, just incase on of them is used to refuel a weapon that is used against me. :rolleyes:

Point taken, although Rocco's example doesn't really make sense.

I've had troops in Algeria for 2-3 years now, Poseidon. It's mine. Not yours.

 

Either get out, or I will commence invasion of Spain.

Retech I have a question (again) do you have any qualms on switching to the argent which would be the currency of FETA? I am mainly doing this because it would give the world another stable currency for investment. Also I have been building tanks/ other screaming death machines for quite some time now. Finally Icu I do not think that railguns will be used as infantry weapons this round as they have rather large recoil. (Note to Archi: What makes you think other nations don't have a space program they are simply not reporting upon?)

Well of course I don't know how it works, but we haven't exactly been rewarding people for knowing how things work. If Switzerland has the engineers, I'm sure Japan has many more engineers and should be able to construct an orbital flight mechanism of some sort in roughly the same amount of time. (I was going to choose a longer period of time, but since you can't argue against me if I use your method, then I will take you as a precedent. So either people argue against both of us, or neither of us. Either way it still solves my problem)

 

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Japan is still using the Yen, but it could increase the Argent in its store of foreign currencies. I'm thinking 25% argent, 25% Dollar, 25% Brazillian, 25% Romanian. Or some other mix.

Grim, you may well have...but unless you have reported to Sere, as I have, then your gains are purely speculatively until you actually prove that you have done something...Also its not particually good gameplay to have developed space rockets which have gone into orbit which no one notices...

Sigh... I have been trying to keep from using the moderator as my small rebellion. I should Pm him about this though. Also @ Retech ANSWER THE FREAKIN' QUESTION!

Retech....no. Thats like saying 'That man has a gun.' I want a gun, therefore I have a gun.

 

Anyway make sure you tell Sere what your method is so that he can make sure it isn't impossible.

Oh, I think that if something is easily seen or detected, then it should be reported. For example, launching a rocket into space, since most countries can probaly detect that. Other things could be starting massive civil unrest (if you have 50,000 secret operatives, one is bound to get caught) and abducting people.

Retech... The dollar is null and void as of a day or two ago.

Most carriers carry weapons anyway... In a sense they can attack

 

And to the example of, mother makes a child to grow up to be a killer, she is part of the weapons creation, not an actual weapon.

It was agreed that the event never happened, so we sorta reversed it.

 

 

Anyways Archi, can you point to an article on Wikipedia where it would be even remotely possible to bring a PLANE into orbit?

In truth he would need good insulation and heating, which would take a lot of electricity, though he will use the excuse I have the largest electricity production, how exactly do you get it to the planes? You need to be studying batteries like I am, but I'm using mine to make my rail guns usable.

Retech:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle

 

Its a plane...that goes into orbit...All I have done is replaced the massive solid state thrusters with a P-Jet...(And obvouisly changed the design a bit because the US Space Shuttle technical drawings are not exactly common knowladge...and obvouisly because it doesn't need the same configeration since the massive engines and such can be converted. )

So basically it's not a plane in the sense that it launches by going at high speeds and using lift to bring it up...it uses a rocket. I'm pretty sure you're not accounting for the massive costs that a single launch of a P-Jet would cost. Also, they would probaly require lots of maintainance between flights, and couldn't be used too many times before they broke down from wear and tear.

 

I was under the impression that it was more like a fighter jet.

 

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Also noting that the bomb would probaly be blown to pieces by the great height that it is being dropped, with all the strange atmospheric stuff which burns up meteors. Then we have the problem that the bomb would probaly float around in orbit too. If the jet went downwards to drop the bomb, it would probaly be caught up in the gravity and start plummeting downwards. How is this feasible as a fighter jet?

I am pretty sure it is not a rocket...in the sense that it uses a chemical propellant. The fuel is relatively cheap, and the electicity I have on demand, storage of electricity is probably the most limiting part of the project, though I am working to overcome that.

 

And it is more of a large Multi-Purpose Plane. Large enough to carry bombs or passangers or cargo, and manueverable enough to play a role as a limited fighter, though, if I am honest, it is not designed to engage other aircraft...Since I am not expecting aircraft to be numerous in orbit...

...I am not allowed to post pictures because Sere says they inspire people to get carried away... <_<

Sigh...Retech... It has the potential to not fly into orbit, it can function anywhere inbetween here and space, since it is not based on the principle of lift, though it certainly takes advantage of it when it can.

It also has the ability to reach orbit, from the ground, up to five times... As agreed with Sere.

 

Also noting that it would depend on the construction of the bomb dropped from orbit, and the fact that it would proably not go into orbit, since it would probably not be moving forwards at the time, and thus would not have the momentum to go into orbit.

Ps. This is not a picture of the plane.

Okay, assuming that the plane flies up using lift, then it will get harder and harder to go up as it goes along, because that's just the nature of the atmosphere. So we can rule that out. We can assume that the plane is propelled upwards, rather than "flying" upwards, before going into orbit. We can logically conclude that either

 

a) Plane uses lots of fuel when going up due to drag caused by wings. Wings are exceptionally strong to overcome drag, and all the other forces acting on it. Then it glides back down, no problem.

 

or

 

B) Plane launches like a rocket, and it has small wings. Then it goes up, does whatever it does, then comes down like a rock and smashes into the Earth.

 

I don't see how it's even possible to reach a fighter with the specifications you've put forward.

 

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Basically my point is that Sere doesn't know, you don't know, and I don't know exactly how this thing is going to work. Maybe if we had extensive computer modeling and such, then it might work, but frankly it probaly won't. Sere's decision is probaly based on game mechanics, so why should I need to have a degree in Aeronautics to be able to build a plane like that.

Sigh.

Plane uses lots of fuel when going up due to drag caused by wings.

Assuming that fuel is plentiful this is not a problem.

Wings are exceptionally strong to overcome drag, and all the other forces acting on it.

The main two issues to overcome are gravity and air pressure. Which amount to 70 Newtons/Second.

 

Plane launches like a rocket, and it has small wings. Then it goes up, does whatever it does, then comes down like a rock and smashes into the Earth.

Or not...

 

Basically my point is that Sere doesn't know, you don't know, and I don't know exactly how this thing is going to work. Maybe if we had extensive computer modeling and such, then it might work, but frankly it probaly won't. Sere's decision is probaly based on game mechanics, so why should I need to have a degree in Aeronautics to be able to build a plane like that.

Because I am skipping the years of development because I know how to do it....

 

 

Anyway. The plane works in a largely conventional manner...That is it takes off horizontally, and goes up at an angle, using wings to generate lift, as well as gradually rotating the P-Jet on a Harrier Jump Jet style launch to counteract the lessening lift as the density of air decreases.

Once the air density is small enough the P-Jet carries on vertically or semi-vertically depending on the pilot's preferences...

 

Once it is orbit it just flies according to Newtonian Physics... An object that is in motion remains in motion until forces act to stop it.

Skipping development because you know how to do it is [developmentally delayed]ed. Do you know where ever piece of the plane will fit? All the tiny little bits of technology going into it? No? Then it still needs development. Again, I take the example of the Raptor. It used mostly pre-existing technology, and took I think a decade of development plus 17 years of flight testing or so.

Sigh...I mean I know how the plane works... there were something like 2 years of development.

That's my main issue here. You may know how to do it, but don't you think that there are millions of engineers out there who also know how to do it? So why can't one of those engineers just walk up to you and say "Excuse me sir, I have a proposal for..." etc etc.

 

This game isn't about how much physics you know, because regardless of how much you do know, it won't matter in the long run. Lots of people around the world probaly know how to do it if you can, and it would've been done if it only required the elementary knowledge of aeronautics and a bit of money. At this time, there have been countless attempts by the government to do this. The Americans tried, the Soviets tried, everyone tried. It didn't work, because it's not feasible. Or it may be feasible, but no matter how much knowledge you have, it's still not going to be the breakthrough that they needed.

 

As for the fuel issue, more fuel means more weight, until most of the fuel is used to carry more fuel. There's a limit.

 

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So basically in summary, I don't need to know exactly how it's done as long as there's someone in the world that does know.

 

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To the above statement, that is why I am also going to take the same amount of time that you did, since you were the first one to make it, so you would be the precedent.

Sigh, Retech, I am not going to tell you how I did it, but suffice to say that I can do it.

There is obvouisly a fuel limit and hence why I have a spread sheet of calculations, so I know the limits...

 

Sufficing to say that by using technology which does not currently exist in a form that can be easily utilised, and by using game mechanics to refine that technology into something which can easily be utilised I am using a technology which is otherwise not avalible to anyone else.

 

Sufficing to say that I have developed technology which I am not using.

 

Also, Doom....The Nazis built, tested and deployed rockets jets in only a few years... Just because America took tens of years to develop an air craft doesn't mean all weapons take years to develop...