Why do people put punk, goth and emo into one group?

[mixand]

Can somebody explain? It really is annoying when people try to put them together. Although it does help know who not to hang out with.

I guess it's because to them it's just a fashion? I'm getting sick of people/friends thinking that I'm not punk because I don't dress the part.

[J35u5_M4]

Well, in my own opinion it's because they dress alike, and considering humanity's stupidity and ignorance, they just say it's all the same thing

[mixand]

They do?

 

I guess people try to mix them and it comes out looking like neither, and just becomes fashion.

[Zierro]

They're all countercultures.

[ElkNight]

Emo and Goth I normally put together. But I dont really put punk any where near either of them.

[mixand]

Emo and Goth I normally put together. But I dont really put punk any where near either of them.

 

Nice dreads, I remember wanting to grow them when I was 15..

Speaking of punk and dreads..

 

Frenzal rhomb :)

[stevepole]

Probably has to do with all of them spawning off the original punk movement in the late 70s.

[Giordano]

They're all countercultures.

And crazy ones at that.

[Intriguing]

Because they all look silly? :)

[Nadril]

So many people to agree with in this thread, I'll just quote 'em.

 

Because they all look silly?

 

They're all countercultures.

 

And crazy ones at that.

[meb]

Because they all look silly? :)

^My opinion.

[JoeDaStudd]

Punk has nothing to do with emo/goth.

Emo is really an evolution of goth into a more modern/popular version.

 

The only link between punk and emo is the use of a colour mixed with black. The more modern punks use of (lime) green or pink and black. Of course some colour blind people think red+black = green/pink+black.

[pfilc23]

They're all countercultures.

 

 

Probably has to do with all of them spawning off the original punk movement in the late 70s.

 

both spot on.

[Jernlov]

Not to sound like a snob, but emo in its truest form actually has a lot of relation to the punk, more specifically hardcore movement - listen to Husker Du, Rites of Spring, I Hate Myself, and Sunny Day Real Estate (to a lesser extent).

 

Zierro already said it.

[Tom_Servo]

Can somebody explain? It really is annoying when people try to put them together. Although it does help know who not to hang out with.

I guess it's because to them it's just a fashion? I'm getting sick of people/friends thinking that I'm not punk because I don't dress the part.

 

Because they all sound pretty similar and there is no need to make sub-genres as convoluted as Heretics of Dune.

[RpgGamer]

They're all countercultures.

And crazy ones at that.

 

 

I second this motion.

 

It really bugs me when I download a song and it's genre is "emo". THATS NOT A FREAKIN GENRE. Punk is a genre, a lifestyle, and a look. Goth is just a personality and a look. Emo is a peronality. Emo people tend to look "scene". I don't know who the hell decided that all modern "hard rock" bands could be lumped together as "emo". Because honestly, Bullet for my Valentine, AFI, and All American rejects have virtually nothing in common.

[Jernlov]

Uh emo is a genre of music, kiddo.

 

Since when did bands have to have something in common to belong to the same genre? Here's a handy example for you. Both of these bands are labelled as "progressive metal:"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v50wkoofl-4

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNFCR0fhuLE

 

Which one is more "progressive" is subject to personal opinion, although I find them both to be equally progressive for different reasons. However, they sound completely different yet belong to the same subgenre of heavy metal; your point is hereby moot.

[How2PK]

Because it's funny to annoy those people, since they're all taking their image so seriously.

[Intriguing]

Because it's funny to annoy those people, since they're all taking their image so seriously.

You know who else takes their image seriously?

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[How2PK]

haha, nice! :mrgreen:

[RpgGamer]

Uh emo is a genre of music, kiddo.

 

Since when did bands have to have something in common to belong to the same genre? Here's a handy example for you. Both of these bands are labelled as "progressive metal:"

 

 

 

Which one is more "progressive" is subject to personal opinion, although I find them both to be equally progressive for different reasons. However, they sound completely different yet belong to the same subgenre of heavy metal; your point is hereby moot.

 

 

I disagree. I'd put both of those under Progressive Metal, more so the Symphony X than Gojira, which I would prefer to classify something along the lines of death metal. I understand these are all subgenres of heavy metal, which is why they sounds fairly similiar. The musical complexity and use of keyboard wins points in the progressive direction for Symphony X. Why the over abused chord structure and harsh vocals of Gojira takes away from the progressive side of it.

 

I still fail to see how 'emo' is a music genre. Especially because it has no specific defining qualities. I've seen people lump Motion City Soundtrack, All American Rejects and Bullet For My Valentine all in the same genre by throwing the label "emo" in their direction. That simply isn't possible in my book.

 

I further this argument by saying that any band that has ever been called "emo" can surely not be simultaneoulsy called "punk" unless you bring up Green Day, who have gone from the heart of punk to the heart of suck.

[RexMilotic]

I personally dress in a fashion similar to goth, but not all the time. I personally don't get offended unless people put me together with emos, which I just have a personal dislike for. Now I really don't care much at all, and I like to think of my tripp pants as a good clothing choice for the dance styles I'm into. Music wise I would be considered a "cyber-goth", which is more of what I tend to base these groups off of.

[stevepole]

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Uh emo is a genre of music, kiddo.

 

Since when did bands have to have something in common to belong to the same genre? Here's a handy example for you. Both of these bands are labelled as "progressive metal:"

 

 

 

Which one is more "progressive" is subject to personal opinion, although I find them both to be equally progressive for different reasons. However, they sound completely different yet belong to the same subgenre of heavy metal; your point is hereby moot.

 

 

I disagree. I'd put both of those under Progressive Metal, more so the Symphony X than Gojira, which I would prefer to classify something along the lines of death metal. I understand these are all subgenres of heavy metal, which is why they sounds fairly similiar. The musical complexity and use of keyboard wins points in the progressive direction for Symphony X. Why the over abused chord structure and harsh vocals of Gojira takes away from the progressive side of it.

 

I still fail to see how 'emo' is a music genre. Especially because it has no specific defining qualities. I've seen people lump Motion City Soundtrack, All American Rejects and Bullet For My Valentine all in the same genre by throwing the label "emo" in their direction. That simply isn't possible in my book.

 

I further this argument by saying that any band that has ever been called "emo" can surely not be simultaneoulsy called "punk" unless you bring up Green Day, who have gone from the heart of punk to the heart of suck.

 

 

 

Emo is a real music genre if you choice to believe it or not. To me you just can't except that it is a real genre. I'm going to save myself the time and just link you to wikipedia so you can read up on your music genres.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock#Emo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo

[Intriguing]

I disagree. I'd put both of those under Progressive Metal, more so the Symphony X than Gojira, which I would prefer to classify something along the lines of death metal. I understand these are all subgenres of heavy metal, which is why they sounds fairly similiar. The musical complexity and use of keyboard wins points in the progressive direction for Symphony X. Why the over abused chord structure and harsh vocals of Gojira takes away from the progressive side of it.

 

I still fail to see how 'emo' is a music genre. Especially because it has no specific defining qualities. I've seen people lump Motion City Soundtrack, All American Rejects and Bullet For My Valentine all in the same genre by throwing the label "emo" in their direction. That simply isn't possible in my book.

 

I further this argument by saying that any band that has ever been called "emo" can surely not be simultaneoulsy called "punk" unless you bring up Green Day, who have gone from the heart of punk to the heart of suck.

I really question if you actually read SilverSword's post.. He was saying that both of those bands are, in fact, Progressive Metal. I should mention that use of keyboards or harsh vocals, or lack thereof, have little to no impact on whether or not a band is classed as "Progressive". Harsh vocals would only contribute to whether the band was Progressive Metal or Progressive Rock. The more relevant features in Progressive are odd time signatures, frequently modulating key signatures, and pretension. However, that's a bit of an aside. I think SilverSword's point was more that two bands can be in the same genre but superficially sound almost nothing like one another, particularly in genres that have had a long time to evolve.

 

As for emo being a genre, it most certainly is. The tag tends to be misused often in place of more appropriate terms such as Pop-Punk (All American Rejects) or Metalcore (Bullet for my Valentine). Follow stevepole's advice and actually read up on what you're talking about. Emo stems from punk, and early emo bands do actually share a lot of similarities with punk. Over time, however, a lot of the punk element of emo has become less apparent, and so it'll be harder to notice it in modern emo.

[Jernlov]

Yeah, the point is they both sound completely different but are still progressive metal bands. Progressive metal has been around for nigh-on 30 years and it has evolved so much in a short timespace. Go and listen to Fates Warning's "The Spectre Within" and then Opeth's "Blackwater Park" - old and new styles. I like both equally.

 

You could argue about Gojira's genre for years, but it's just easier to call them progressive metal instead of calling them progressive death/groove/thrash metal. Symphony X is progressive power metal and they aren't more musically complex than Gojira. Just a hint: sweeping and shredding is nowhere near as musical as slow, technical progression.