Dice game

[1337]

I seriously have no idea why even Jagex would even think of putting up a item that clearly could be used to scam people. Kinda obvious with the dicing...

[GGunitfan10]

I've rolled when people aren't in my CC. Sometimes they trust me, but I wont hesitate to roll again when they join the CC. Impersonators are the worst, though....

Donkey I see you all the time!

My friend traded 1m to that level 3 that always stands under you. <_< haha ohh well

[n64jive]

I hosted for about 3 days or so using 60x2 99x3, which gives me roughly a 15% edge Honestly, the best trick to getting people to trust you is to get a partner. Have him dice against you for large amounts and pay him off as he wins. Have him keep track of his losses to you, and promise to pay him back all loss+ % of commission on you're earnings (I like 20%, as I only need him to gain trust of people, after that, He doesn't really play much of a roll, however he still earns 20%.)

 

Again, you could consider this scamming, however all my payouts are legitimate, rather the act is just to ease people's suspicions of me scamming.

 

Using the above method, I was able to turn 14m into over 150m. I have since quit dicing, as standing around all day really feels more like work than play.

[Freakyhair]

im having a bit of trouble making money on this? can anyone give me some tips. my rates are 60x2 95x3 100x4. did about 200 bets today, lowest at 50k biggest at 5m. ended up 1m down. would have been 1m but paid the jwrong person 2m!!

 

but shud i just remove the 100x completely, or the 3x?? also when should i start raising the min. like at the moment the mins 150k, like i get regular 1m tho.. serious respect to the original poster! was he like one of the founders of this game? im well interested in how someone realized these kind of game can be done in rs. its like a massive fully player made feature now!

 

but yeah advise would be great! :thumbsup:

and if anyone wants to bet me 1-10m im by a tree north eastish from the bank w1.

[AlexRose]

im having a bit of trouble making money on this? can anyone give me some tips. my rates are 60x2 95x3 100x4. did about 200 bets today, lowest at 50k biggest at 5m. ended up 1m down. would have been 1m but paid the jwrong person 2m!!

 

but shud i just remove the 100x completely, or the 3x?? also when should i start raising the min. like at the moment the mins 150k, like i get regular 1m tho.. serious respect to the original poster! was he like one of the founders of this game? im well interested in how someone realized these kind of game can be done in rs. its like a massive fully player made feature now!

 

but yeah advise would be great! :thumbsup:

and if anyone wants to bet me 1-10m im by a tree north eastish from the bank w1.

 

Well first , your theoretical gain is 14%, as opposed to the standard 20% of 60 x2ing; you could make almost 50% more if you did 60 x2. But either payout, just keep playing. The casino will always win in the long run; any big loss will almost certainly be compensated by a big gain at some point.

 

To the veterans: What would you suggest outfit wise? I've been using a Chaotic Rapier with a "fencing" outfit that looks pretty nice (and is mildly expensive); should I be more focused on putting more expensive armour on, or should I keep a more asthetic look?

[Robot919]

Thanks to the dice game, I managed to achieve my first green cash pile. Made about three million up from 9200k today to rest at about 12.2M. Took no more than a couple of hours. I'm thinking I can probably get around 30-50M by the time I get members again in the summer, if I do the minimal amount of work with a little luck.

 

Just curious, what are the rules you use when hosting your dice game? Do you find that it takes a while to get a dice game started?

 

Also, how much money did you have before you started hosting the game? I am thinking of hosting a dice game, but I don't have a lot of cash on me (White pile).

 

Where do you host this game, f2p or p2p, varrock, etc?

 

Ah. Thanks for asking. I use 60x2 90x3 dice rules. That means of course, 60 and over is double your cash, while 90 and over is triple your cash. Some dice hosts reroll on exactly 60 or 90 or whatever winning number they use as a standard, so when they reroll you actually lose your cash. I think that's a rather unfair thing to do because it's advertised as those numbers and above implicitly, so I go with the implication that it's 60+ for a win.

 

It does sometime take a while to get customers depending on the competition around you and how snazzy you look. I don an investigator's suit with a candy cane, and I still manage to pull in hundreds of thousands of coins in the timespan of a few minutes. The real thing for me to worry about is when you have level 110+ competition whose wealth exponentially surpasses your own. Take a word of warning though, even the most legit looking players can be scams. Why, just yesterday, I lost 200k to a level 126 who sported a divine spirit shield, a red dragon mask, full dragon with platebody, and a firecape. Just logged out even though I won twice my bet. I luckily managed to recover it in a few minutes, though. Have your guard up, and don't bet too much cash if you feel you might lose it.

 

When I started really getting into the business which was last Saturday, I had less than 30K. A few hours later, I had 1.6M. The next day, I had 6M. I ended yesterday with 9.2M. Now I have 12.2M. My average tends to be 1-3M profit a day ranging from a few minutes of work (five minutes to half an hour) to a couple of hours. I host in World 1 and 3 Varrock beside the West Bank and Grand Exchange where the other dice hosts are. I always show my cash pile to show I'm legit for 50k+ bets. That's the way you gain trust and build a reputation for being a legitimate host. As Jive said, it's not worth it to scam since the odds of the dice will always be in the host's favor.

 

You also do not want to pressure the person to bet more cash then they want to, or else you may end up completely losing their business. That's why I put no minimum limits for cash, so people can bet what they want. I encourage people to bet more if they clearly have much more cash than what they're betting, but I don't force them to. Sometimes I put up a maximum cash limit depending on how large my cash pile is. I generally don't use one since the bets usually don't exceed 500k, and I have 24X that so, yeah.

 

Also, learn when to cut your own losses. This is essential to being a successful dice host looking to profit. When you're hosting, if the customer wins cash, you pay them. But you do not have to take the person's next bet if you feel it's going to run you out of cash. Just politely refuse and say you need some cash in reserve to pay to lower-stake gamblers. Generally, the extremely rich hosts do not need to worry about this unless they are hosting high-stakes dice. I know of someone on world one who semi-regularly hosts 50M+ stakes.

 

The West Bank area in Varrock for F2P is excellent for hosting dice (well, it's pretty much the only place to in F2P). Learn your ropes. Figure out what time most players are on at, and use those population patterns to work with your schedule. If you host in the mid afternoon where most players are on at that time, you're more likely to get customers. Of course, dress as snazzy as possible. It doesn't need to be an expensive get up. My set up costs literally nothing (all clue fest items) and I still attract customers. Always check to see if the customer you're playing with is in your clan chat. They can't see what you roll if they're not in your chat, so if you actually roll below the minimum winning number, they might not believe you even if you're being honest, and you lose their and potentially other people's business. If they're not in your chat by the time you're going to roll, tell them to join and if they don't or can't, give them back their cash.

 

So basically, find out what times of the day are most profitable for you to host on, dress as attractively as possible (doesn't mean it has to be expensive!), show cash if asked. If you feel you're going to lose cash on a bet relative to your cash pile, don't take the bet. Place maximum cash bets accordingly to prevent losing too much cash on a single or series of bets. A minimum cash bet rule may help too if you're looking for that element of excitement. We all know how boring it is to give a newb a 3k win because he bet 1k. If you're member, you have a wider variety of populated areas to explore to host dice games. It's a good idea to host dice and flower games on popular worlds near banks where cash is readily available, so Falador W2 is a good choice as well. Other areas, you may find fit this description as you travel around finding a place to attract the most customers. But as a rule of thumb, Varrock W.B. and Falador Park are the best places to host games.

 

Regards advertising, you may want to get a friend or pay someone to advertise for you for a bit if you can't do it yourself. Be patient when you're advertising. Customers will come if you look legitimate enough. A high combat level helps, of course. Run around a bit when advertising if one area of the area is stagnant in customer flow.

 

Those are pretty much the general rules outlined regards hosting dice/flower games. If you have enough cash to start with to be successful (2M minimum, I recommend), you'll do well in your endeavors, since the odds of the dice are aligned with you as the host.

 

Thank you very much! It seems you are very generous having the 90X3 rule in play. Yet you still make a lot of profit from this game. I might try hosting a game myself.

 

The tricky part is to seem "legit", because I am not rich and don't have all that fancy clothing to make me look wealthy. However, I saw that you put the "show cash before they play" trick and I hope that can help prove my worthiness.

 

I have seen people hosting it outside Varrock West Bank, so apparently that is the popular place to go if you want to host a dice game.

 

If you see this, I have a final question for you: How much do you pay people to advertise, and for how long?

[Donkeykong23]

I've never paid anyone to advertise and have had pretty good success.

[Freakyhair]

i pay 300k p h for advertising

[Helm_Lardar]

I seriously have no idea why even Jagex would even think of putting up a item that clearly could be used to scam people. Kinda obvious with the dicing...

It's fun, and it's useful for clans and such. Many things could be used to scam people, but they also have positive sides. For example, it's easy to scam people with flowers, but they also look really good. It's easy to scam people with the dungeoneering cape, but it looks amazing with those emotes.

[Freakyhair]

I seriously have no idea why even Jagex would even think of putting up a item that clearly could be used to scam people. Kinda obvious with the dicing...

It's fun, and it's useful for clans and such. Many things could be used to scam people, but they also have positive sides. For example, it's easy to scam people with flowers, but they also look really good. It's easy to scam people with the dungeoneering cape, but it looks amazing with those emotes.

 

also from what i can tell the mjority of dicers dont scam. once uve done a payout of like a mil in fron of someone then people realise ur legit. i think its proper cool its completely made by players! people that scam dice game are idiots. people that get scammed are a bit silly because its kinda obvious who pays out when theres 7 people in the cc and constant bets going on.

[SwreeTak]

This is an awesome idea. I will definitely try out hosting this myself. Thank you for the guides and all the tips ^^

[Carl]

I'm honestly shocked that people are turning to this as a method of money making.

[dragon312]

All that happens if you host this is that you end up muted by stupid pmods who go on a mute spree, and ofcourse as awesome as Jagex is, they read all their appeals but still send automated denied responses back. :thumbsup:

[curtis95112]

I'm honestly shocked that people are turning to this as a method of money making.

 

Why? People quite happily do so IRL.

[Barihawk]

I'm honestly shocked that people are turning to this as a method of money making.

 

Why? People quite happily do so IRL.

 

The morality of it in the real world are just as questionable. It's an addiction that profiteers prey on.

[Helm_Lardar]

I'm honestly shocked that people are turning to this as a method of money making.

Why? It's honest, it's reliable, and it's very good money. Can't see what's wrong with that meself.

[Bladewing]

I'm honestly shocked that people are turning to this as a method of money making.

 

Why? People quite happily do so IRL.

 

The morality of it in the real world are just as questionable. It's an addiction that profiteers prey on.

both parties are consenting, i don't see how there's any moral issue here.

 

just because some people can't gamble in a responsible way does not make gambling inherently immoral, imo.

[Helm_Lardar]

No. Gambling isn't immoral, although it can be in some circumstances: e.g. Man who earns all the family's money gambling it away without his family's consent.

[green9090]

No. Gambling isn't immoral, although it can be in some circumstances: e.g. Man who earns all the family's money gambling it away without his family's consent.

That's got nothing to do with gambling though. It would be the same result if he bought an outrageously expensive car or donated all their money to charity. The immoral part is losing money that people are depending on, not the manner in which it was lost.

[Iamfarming]

Started seriously hosting yesterday (by seriously I mean for maybe an hour and a half lol). I lost 5m the first time around cause I really only did it for about 35 minutes and had to go and one guy decided to bet big (5m) and won and went off happily, I had class so I had to leave it at that. Then I logged on later and hosted for about 1 hour, made 8m in a single hour of smaller bets (biggest bet was 4m which I lost). I felt bad cleaning a guy but it's your responsibility to know when it's time to cut your losses. Needless to say, it's damn good cash if you need it. Definitely would do this on a constant basis if it wasn't for the fact that I hate not gaining xp.

 

Also, owning a phat + showing your cash pile helps ease the trust issue a lot of the time. Although you have to be careful of scammers who will decline the trade and act like you took their cash if you call them out. Luckily most of them don't bother standing there constantly calling you a scammer but still, it could smear your rep if they're persistent. It's amazing how many idiots play this game. Also you'll get a lot of beggars and people who keep hassling you but overall it's worth it. I also do NOT have a minimum bet, it really does help ease people's trust for you. For example I had a guy who bet 15k the first time and slowly but surely increased his bets all the way up to 4m. So don't be afraid to take small bets, they do pay off eventually when the same people bet bigger amounts against you. Idk how to get the high roller bets to come in but I'm sure if I kept doing this, people would learn to know you're legit and place bigger bets on you. Hosting is almost as addicting as playing but you're guaranteed to make money :)

[Helm_Lardar]

No. Gambling isn't immoral, although it can be in some circumstances: e.g. Man who earns all the family's money gambling it away without his family's consent.

That's got nothing to do with gambling though. It would be the same result if he bought an outrageously expensive car or donated all their money to charity. The immoral part is losing money that people are depending on, not the manner in which it was lost.

 

perceptive9090 strikes again >.>

[Robot919]

I tried hosting a Dice Game earlier today in World 1, above Varrock West Bank, to no avail. There were at least 10 other people hosting a Dice Game aswell so I guess that lessened my chances.

 

I was thinking about hosting a Roulette type game, where there would be two people betting against each other whether the Dice (would be same ones used for Dice Game) would be even or odd. They would each bet the same amount and give the money to the host. One person would bet even, other would bet odd.

 

Dice is rolled, and a winner is determined. Host gets 10% of the cash, winner gets the remainder. (Ex: If both people bet 100k and the number was 56, you would gain 20k, and 180k would go to the person who bet evens) If the number is either 1 or 100, the host wins automatically (Similar to Roulette if it lands on 00).

 

I think this is a good idea, except for the fact that it will be hard to find 2 people willing to play this, and the fact you have to explain all the rules. If you do find some people to play with, you could make some nice money because you don't lose money regardless, you can only gain.

 

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Bladewing]

that has the same payout as 55 x2, so just do that, it's easier

[green9090]

I tried hosting a Dice Game earlier today in World 1, above Varrock West Bank, to no avail. There were at least 10 other people hosting a Dice Game aswell so I guess that lessened my chances.

 

I was thinking about hosting a Roulette type game, where there would be two people betting against each other whether the Dice (would be same ones used for Dice Game) would be even or odd. They would each bet the same amount and give the money to the host. One person would bet even, other would bet odd.

 

Dice is rolled, and a winner is determined. Host gets 10% of the cash, winner gets the remainder. (Ex: If both people bet 100k and the number was 56, you would gain 20k, and 180k would go to the person who bet evens) If the number is either 1 or 100, the host wins automatically (Similar to Roulette if it lands on 00).

 

I think this is a good idea, except for the fact that it will be hard to find 2 people willing to play this, and the fact you have to explain all the rules. If you do find some people to play with, you could make some nice money because you don't lose money regardless, you can only gain.

 

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

The profit of the dice game comes largely from obscuring the odds. Most players are simply stupid enough that it doesn't really occur to them to do math and find whether they'll win or lose money on average. They just see that they might double OR triple their money and that's all they need to hear.

 

Putting it into a middle man situation like that does a very poor job of obscuring the odds. Anyone can look at that and go, hey, why the hell should we pay that guy 10% when we could just bet against each other directly and win more?

 

Additionally, you have to find TWO suckers instead of one, and you have to do more trades.

 

@Helm_Larder... wat?

[AlexRose]

The profit of the dice game comes largely from obscuring the odds. Most players are simply stupid enough that it doesn't really occur to them to do math and find whether they'll win or lose money on average. They just see that they might double OR triple their money and that's all they need to hear.

 

Putting it into a middle man situation like that does a very poor job of obscuring the odds. Anyone can look at that and go, hey, why the hell should we pay that guy 10% when we could just bet against each other directly and win more?

 

Additionally, you have to find TWO suckers instead of one, and you have to do more trades.

 

@Helm_Larder... wat?

 

 

Anyone can also do trivial arithmetic with the dice game, yet that 40% chance of winning big is damn tempting. I think you underestimate the ability for a host to obscure the odds; a host is not going to advertise "Your expected loss from this venture will come out to 10% in the long run, have fun!". Customers may be more attracted to superficial statistics of the game, such as a 50% chance to win rather than 40% (even though less is gained with each win). It sounds quite silly when stated, but the "feel" of the game is more fair than the dice game (and indeed is, at a 90% expected loss rather than 80%).

 

The whole point of the middle man is a fair medium of exchange to gamble with; what's to prevent me from withholding my money if I lose a big round with a partner? With a trusted middle man taking a small portion (and believe me, people tend to marginalize small numbers) from each of our piles, we can now gamble in confidence.

 

If nothing else, the idea is unique and will stand out from the clamors of "60x2", and the income is more guaranteed and constant. I'd like to test this with someone sometime.