Dungeoneering ranged

[essiw]

Hi all,

 

I am dungeoneering and I am using ranged (I know it is not the best way but I have fun with it)

I have got two questions:

1)Should i use a long or a shortbow? Longbows have a lot more ranged str bonus.

2) Which of the three ranged classes should I use?

 

 

Thanks in advance :)

[green9090]

Use whatever the hell you want, because clearly you don't care how poorly you do. Ranged is HORRIBLE in dungeoneering, unless you have a hex.

[essiw]

@green

Thanks for being nice :) I already know that ranged is not as good as melee as I stated in my first post.

[Hedgehog]

Use a longbow, but please don't range.

[essiw]

Thanks for answering that question :) But is it really THAT much a difference from melee? I am soloing. Making the armour is a lot easier and most bosses are easier too. And my ranged level is higher then my melee levels.

[Hedgehog]

1. Yes it is a lot better.

2. Don't solo once youre past like lvl 50.

3. Don't make armor.

4. You can't kill many bosses effectively with range, notably saggitarian.

5. Train your melees.

[ghjkl]

Oh if you're soloing you can do whatever the hell you want. You aren't slowing anyone but yourself down. Desperado and shortbow

[Zaaps1]

Not that I have an extensive experience ranging, but I would say this:

 

You definitely want a longbow. With all those hax-defense forgotten warriors running around, you really REALLY need that extra range bonus. In fact, I heavily recommend you use magic in conjugation with range for pretty much this reason alone. About 30 surges should do it per floor if you only mage what you have to. Longbow is also better than shortbow imo because you'll probably need the extra range bonus on skeletons.

 

Keen-eye ring is useful, but it's not terribly useful when you consider that you could just use a bloodrager to lower defense. Imo, desperado is far, far better. If you are going to range high-defense monsters, though, and not use a bloodrager, I recommend you get keen-eye as well and which to desperado when its defense is low. You don't need to level itas much as desperado, but you should certainly, in this case, have it. I don't think sniper is useful at all, since "max hit" is very vague and doesn't mean what you think it means. Of course, I would try all three and see how you like them, if you still have a ring reset open to you.

[Obtaurian]

But is it really THAT much a difference from melee?

 

Yes. Ranged is trash in dungeoneering. I kick people who have bows, 'cause they might as well be leeching. But like squareroot said, you're soloing, so you're not hurting anyone but yourself.

[Jain_Charin]

I used range for nearly every level I have. It's ridiculously overpowered. In my opinion. (Maybe only because my range is higher than my cmb level.)

 

Saggitarian is the only boss I've ever had trouble with and Even then it's not that difficult to smith a rapier or w/e to kill him.

 

I used a shortbow, There are so many safespots in Dung It's ridiculous I rarely get damage at all. It was much faster than melee at my level.

[Hedgehog]

I used range for nearly every level I have. It's ridiculously overpowered. In my opinion. (Maybe only because my range is higher than my cmb level.)

 

Saggitarian is the only boss I've ever had trouble with and Even then it's not that difficult to smith a rapier or w/e to kill him.

 

I used a shortbow, There are so many safespots in Dung It's ridiculous I rarely get damage at all. It was much faster than melee at my level.

 

Your range is a lot higher than your melees, and his is only a couple levels higher. While you might have higher dps, his would still be a lot lower.

[Quyneax]

On the topic of keen-eye: a full cartridge of arrows (125) would reduce defence level by 125. Yay.

 

You should use a longbow if you are not capable of using wind surge or katagon weapons and are capable of using sagitarrian bows and tops.

 

If you want ranged combat, use celestial staff + surgebox and craft fires to use fire surge +30% damage at rapier speed (t10 blitzer). That's fairly good to use in moderation (e.g. one per team).

[Wkw]

To answer your question..

 

Don't range.. At least, don't range without a hex hunter.

 

9/10 the things you would range are mages

Hex hunter kills mages. Fast. Good.

Thus... don't really range, unless you are 90+ range and 60 melees

[Nostar]

if you still have a ring reset open to you.

 

Is there a ring reset ?!

I never heard of that, it would be really cool though cause i bought myself tier 8 tactician but i don't need it anymore because i am now 99att...

I'd really like to know how to do it :o

[Zaaps1]

On the topic of keen-eye: a full cartridge of arrows (125) would reduce defence level by 125. Yay.

 

You should use a longbow if you are not capable of using wind surge or katagon weapons and are capable of using sagitarrian bows and tops.

 

If you want ranged combat, use celestial staff + surgebox and craft fires to use fire surge +30% damage at rapier speed (t10 blitzer). That's fairly good to use in moderation (e.g. one per team).

 

I believe there is a cap to how much you can lower a monster's defense by. For example, if a mage casts weaken on you, after a while weaken won't have any effect. For most players, this point would not be at level 0, but instead somewhere else.

 

if you still have a ring reset open to you.

 

Is there a ring reset ?!

I never heard of that, it would be really cool though cause i bought myself tier 8 tactician but i don't need it anymore because i am now 99att...

I'd really like to know how to do it :o

 

It's somewhere on the customization screen, iirc.

[Nostar]

Wow that's awesome and i obviously get all my tokens spent on the rings back ? :P

That'd be like 35k tokens i'd get back. :D

[michel555555]

Range isn't really worth it without a hex. But if you insist on having another bow as a range weapon your going to have to hybrid with mage. Range alone, even with hex, fails.

 

As to the whole long vs short debate. What is actually better? Using long with desperado or using short with sniper?

 

short with sniper would be the same speed as long with desp but, depending on your ring level, it would have a decent chance of always doing max hit. So which actually has a higher dps?

[essiw]

Thanks all :D

 

I'll try combining it with mage. And using the desperato ring. Thanks again for all the advices, I think I have got the picture now :)

[Quyneax]

short with sniper would be the same speed as long with desp but, depending on your ring level, it would have a decent chance of always doing max hit. So which actually has a higher dps?

Don't forget accuracy. You will never ever hit with a shortbow unless you have ranged top + legs bound.

[notasoupbowl]

I got like 1-35 dng while mostly soloing dng using ranged. I used lots of safespots or running as it approaches me and continue shooting. Didn't ever die I think, but it was slow. I had like 10 range levels over my melees or so, and when I finally switched to melees it was a lot faster.

This was before ring customizations, but I think desperado is best unless you have good arrows and t7+ sniper, or hex.

Think I had a dhide body bound and just took the corp short or longbow that almost always spawns at the begining, with katagon arrows bound. You could try binding a surgebox or blood runes depending on your rc level, and just take the arrows.

But really, melee is a lot better.

[michel555555]

short with sniper would be the same speed as long with desp but, depending on your ring level, it would have a decent chance of always doing max hit. So which actually has a higher dps?

Don't forget accuracy. You will never ever hit with a shortbow unless you have ranged top + legs bound.

 

The only thing you should be ranging is mages or rangers anyway, so you don't need that high accuracey. Everything els should be maged.

[xpx]

Range might only be useful if used along with surgebox(and using katagon arrows from tables). If you have only ranged, even if it's hex, you are a sitting duck, and you will/should be kicked from most teams. Shortbow+desperado is good for things you want to range(mages, low def) and longbow is only good for thins you wouldn't want to range, so if you can hybrid well, shortbow is better, but if you are using only ranged, longbow would be the better option.

 

(to add, we had some guy with sag short bind in dgs. He was completely useless.)

[essiw]

Thanks for the replies. I understand that when teaming you could better use melee but I dislike teaming and I don't think I Will do that anytime soon. I really like dungeoneering the way i play it now. I think it is better to have fun while being less efficient then to dislike it (also I think me being a perfectionist (not sure if that is english) slows me down a lot))

[Obtaurian]

Thanks for the replies. I understand that when teaming you could better use melee but I dislike teaming and I don't think I Will do that anytime soon. I really like dungeoneering the way i play it now. I think it is better to have fun while being less efficient then to dislike it (also I think me being a perfectionist (not sure if that is english) slows me down a lot))

 

You're not a perfectionist. If you were a perfectionist you'd be using melee. Because it's better. Much better. And not just for teams. It's just better. Period.

[essiw]

Thanks for the replies. I understand that when teaming you could better use melee but I dislike teaming and I don't think I Will do that anytime soon. I really like dungeoneering the way i play it now. I think it is better to have fun while being less efficient then to dislike it (also I think me being a perfectionist (not sure if that is english) slows me down a lot))

 

You're not a perfectionist. If you were a perfectionist you'd be using melee. Because it's better. Much better. And not just for teams. It's just better. Period.

Perfectionist doesn't always mean doing it the perfect way. You have different kinds, I like to complete everything in the dungeon. To give a better example, when i was playing WoW i wanted to complete every quest there was (which is not the meaning of the quests in WoW)