Elite Void vs Max Strength

[Vex]

I've always assumed Void is best and never really gave much thought to it.

 

Neitz, Bandos T & B, Ddef, Bgloves

Vs

Void, Deflector, BGloves

Vs

Void, Ddef, Vgloves

 

Maybe I need to check in Grimys DPS calc, but if anyone knows off the top of their head...

[BBK]

It depends on the defence of w/e you're fighting, elite void hits higher but less accurate so it's better dps for low def monsters where you'll be hitting most of the time anyway, max str is much more accurate on monsters with high def. Same thing for deflector/b gloves vs defender, defender has better attack bonus gloves have higher str.

[Vex]

So for steels/miths I should probably be using Max Str instead of Void?

[green9090]

If you have a rapier, void is better for steels and miths.

[Wkw]

If you are praying protection, void would be the way to go. If you aren't praying protection and def, then I'd use bandos

[Th e Doctor]

Void is better on high defense monsters, its great at miths cuz you pray melee and it has decent magic defense. Max str bonus is good for slayer because of the loss of a helm and is about even (within 2 k exp/hr) on powertraining (aka low defense) monsters. For miths definitely use elite void.

[Bladewing]

void is better on all monsters where healing is not an issue

[Vex]

Ok, basically answered the question myself also - using Grimy's DPS calc then modifying it.

 

The tipping point seems to be around 320 Def roll - All 3 setups achieve the same DPS or within 1-2k damage per hour.

 

After that it's Void + Defender > Max Str > Void + BGloves

 

Prior to 320 - Void + BGloves > Max Str > Void + Defender

 

Now I just need to find out what range of monsters have a def roll of 300ish >_>

[Th e Doctor]

If there's anything I can do to help let me know and Ill try to do what I can.

[Quyneax]

It depends on the defence of w/e you're fighting, elite void hits higher but less accurate so it's better dps for low def monsters where you'll be hitting most of the time anyway, max str is much more accurate on monsters with high def. Same thing for deflector/b gloves vs defender, defender has better attack bonus gloves have higher str.

Bandos/neit/barrows gloves accuracy bonus: +12.

Full void accuracy bonus: +10%.

 

+12 accuracy, on a rapier/fury/ardy 3/defender setup, is 12/199 additional accuracy bonus which is under 10%, so void is superior.

 

The max roll formula is:

 

5 + (effective level + 8) * (effective gear bonus + 64) / 64 * (void bonus)

 

(as far as I know anyway)

 

Effective level is 125 * 1.3, which is 162.5. For strength it is 169.25 assuming you use agressive.

 

That'd give you a max accuracy roll of 5 + 170.5 * 199 / 64 * 1.1 which is 588. In Bandos, it'd be 5 + 170.5 * 211 / 64 which is 567. With a fire cape instead of Ardougne cape 3, it becomes 573 versus 553.

 

For max hit, you get 5 + 177.25 * 191 / 64 * 1.1 which is 586, versus 5 + 177.25 * 212 / 64 which is 592. So void is actually better due to accuracy. With a fire cape, the max hits are 599 versus 603.

 

Void deflector/barrows gloves instead of defender has 5 + 170.5 * 186 / 64 * 1.1 = 550 accuracy and 5 + 177.25 * 197 / 64 * 1.1 = 605 strength, 535 and 617 with fire cape.

 

I think there is no situation where Bandos beats either the deflector or the defender setup except where defence is an issue.

[Sir_Squab]

Void is better on high defense monsters, its great at miths cuz you pray melee and it has decent magic defense. Max str bonus is good for slayer because of the loss of a helm and is about even (within 2 k exp/hr) on powertraining (aka low defense) monsters. For miths definitely use elite void.

 

That, and the fact that a full slayer helm actually gives the same, if not better bonuses then full void?

[LitterBug]

For your calculations - are you always assuming max strength?

 

I spent hours getting void and I don't really see much of a difference in my kills per hour (when hunting for charms).

Is that just my low attack/str level getting in the way?

 

One of the two set ups I use:

1.) Fulll void

2.) Neitz/Granite body/Dlegs/Regen bracelet

 

I'm only listing the items that are different from the two setups I generally use.

[Quyneax]

I am assuming max strength gear down to the imbued berserker ring.

 

Assuming +98 strength with void (glory, d boots, whip, defender) your max is 354 at 82 strength (accurate), with chivalry and super strength. Without void, it's 341. So you're talking a 13/341 = almost 4% difference.

[Vex]

I didn't mention the word Slayer, anywhere, i'm not that thick lol.

 

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tfeY6IZSAc7pXteJCZ2SMYw&rm=full&authkey=CPLmztMI#gid=0

 

Take a look at that Enaid. I edited a copy of Grimys calc for myself using only the relevant parts.

 

All the figures from the setups are in there already - just look at the Chaotic Rapier parts only (the rest is inaccurate random figures).

 

Top is Void + Deflect

Middle is Void + Defender

Bottom is Max (Ardy Cape/Zerker is used in all setups) (Not zerker i, fcape)

[Rock Hard]

they are both pretty good and i would imagine the difference is negligible

 

my rule of thumb when it comes to gear choice is that if it's so hard to choose between items that you need to pose a question to a forum / construct efficiency spreadsheets / check max hit calculators then it the difference really cant matter that much

 

dont sweat it lol

[Quyneax]

I didn't mention the word Slayer, anywhere, i'm not that thick lol.

 

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tfeY6IZSAc7pXteJCZ2SMYw&rm=full&authkey=CPLmztMI#gid=0

 

Take a look at that Enaid. I edited a copy of Grimys calc for myself using only the relevant parts.

 

All the figures from the setups are in there already - just look at the Chaotic Rapier parts only (the rest is inaccurate random figures).

 

Top is Void + Deflect

Middle is Void + Defender

Bottom is Max (Ardy Cape/Zerker is used in all setups) (Not zerker i, fcape)

Who needs dps calcs, I did all that with the lousy standard Windows calculator :P.

[Vex]

Anyway doing crawler test now, will check this topic in 1hr

[Troll Bomber]

Pardon my embarassing ignorance and unintentional hijacking, but what exactly does full void do? I always pictured a set of crappy robes that everyone wears for some reason, but have yet to own my own set because I didn't know they gave good bonuses (for the time it took playing pc anyway, I hate minigames).

[green9090]

Pardon my embarassing ignorance and unintentional hijacking, but what exactly does full void do? I always pictured a set of crappy robes that everyone wears for some reason, but have yet to own my own set because I didn't know they gave good bonuses (for the time it took playing pc anyway, I hate minigames).

It's the best ranged armor by FAR and the best melee armor by some. The mage set is crap though.

[Quyneax]

Wearing three pieces of void (deflector, top, legs, gloves are available) with one of the three helmets (melee, magic and ranged) gives you a set effect. They are:

 

• Melee: +10% damage and +10% accuracy roll.
  
• Ranged: +20% damage and +10% accuracy roll.
  
• Magic: +30% accuracy roll.
  

The magic set is old, predating the damage boost spells can now have.

 

The ranged set is the only ranged damage boost available.

 

Both top and legs have +4 prayer bonus once upgraded. This makes the set superior to, for example, proselyte or Bandos as it allows Bandos-like dps with 3 more prayer bonus, if you don't need defence.

[Levon_]

Max strength has a higher max hit than void unless void is stacked with salve ammy

 

Last time I checked

[green9090]

Max strength has a higher max hit than void unless void is stacked with salve ammy

 

Last time I checked

Nope.

[Quyneax]

Max hits (with realistic rapier setups, so no pvp gear and defender/fury > strength amulet/dfs, with fire cape):

 

Bandos + salve: 662

Bandos + fury: 602

 

Void + salve: 655

Void + fury: 598

 

Deflector + salve: 676

Deflector + fury: 617

 

E.g. deflector > bandos > regular void for powertraining.

[Levon_]

Quyneax did you use tipits max hit calc or a good one? (rswiki/actual formula)

 

@green

 

Last time I checked was before deflector ;)

[Quyneax]

As far as I know the Tip.It calc uses the same formula as RSwiki.