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San Francisco set to vote on becoming Anti-Semitic


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Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1MotVEcqb

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This will force Jewish parents into back alleys with butter knives and...
In all seriousness though, I think there's a discussion to be had on the limits you can reasonably place on religious belief, where you draw the line on what's reasonable or not, etc.

I'll post my opinion later.


Discuss.

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Just another attempt to push forward a law that some people want to see. I don't see an issue with circumcision at all from my point of view. I don't think it'll go far let alone pass.
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Overall, I don't think circumcision is bad enough to warrant being illegal. I don't think it's necessary or useful, but it's an individual choice.

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I immediately thought of this (what the baby says):


To be honest, it should be passed as what happens to the childs' own body should be up to the child himself. If you're going to raise the child in a Jewish/Muslim household following these beliefs then there should be no problem if this law is passed as when the child reaches the proposed legal age they can choose for themselves to have it done in honour of their beliefs.
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but it's an individual choice.

I'll say the vast, vast, vast majority it is not personal choice, for infants and small children are too small to give consent to everything. They can't consent to anything in fact.


But hell, I don't care. But since it does piss of religious folk, I hope it passes.
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I haven't read the article so what I say may not be 100% valid, however I think many people believe that circumcision is fairly cruel especially to newly born children with no choice in the matter and that despite it is strongly connected to some people's beliefs this should not mean that those people should be wavered from obeying a code of morality that most other people accept or doing something unreasonable and unnecessary. Again I haven't read the article and I don't exactly know what the law is but from what the others posted a ban on circumcision is not anti-Semitic.

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What are the advantages of circumcision anyway? I only know of one - The reduced risk of HIV/other STD's.

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What are the advantages of circumcision anyway? I only know of one - The reduced risk of HIV/other STD's.

The medical advantages are debatable. Really, I think it's more of a cultural thing than a procedure with actual medical benefit.

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There is no need to ban it, doing so is just intolerant of their beliefs. I'm surprised such a Liberal city has put forward such a thing.
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There is no need to ban it, doing so is just intolerant of their beliefs. I'm surprised such a Liberal city has put forward such a thing.

I'm not. Increasingly I've seen the supposedly tolerant left decide to be intolerant when it comes to things like this.

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As much as it will draw fire, I can see where they were trying to go with this. Female circumcision is also held up as a religious belief in various, extremist, parts of the world, yet we don't allow that. Why should male circumcision be any different just because it's less invasive. Just because it's religious tradition? Religious traditions used to dictate that we sacrifice animals (and in some places people) to our gods as well, yet when was the last time anyone saw that happen?

On the up side, if this passes it opens a lot of doors for putting down religious practices that are potentially harmful or dangerous. I'm thinking mostly of the Christian Science belief of refusing medical treatment and replacing it with prayer.

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Oh yeah, being anti-semitic for wanting to ban circumcision. It should be decided when the person is old enough if any.

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Oh yeah, being anti-semitic for wanting to ban circumcision. It should be decided when the person is old enough if any.

If you want to pull that card, why allow parents to make any body-related decisions for their children at all?

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Oh yeah, being anti-semitic for wanting to ban circumcision. It should be decided when the person is old enough if any.

If you want to pull that card, why allow parents to make any body-related decisions for their children at all?

Oh for christ sake, circumcision is a choice that should be decided by the guy himself when he is old enough, not due to religious or whatever belief, unless it's a medical situation.
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Oh yeah, being anti-semitic for wanting to ban circumcision. It should be decided when the person is old enough if any.

If you want to pull that card, why allow parents to make any body-related decisions for their children at all?

Oh for christ sake, circumcision is a choice that should be decided by the guy himself when he is old enough, not due to religious or whatever belief, unless it's a medical situation.
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Why?

I asked you a question, you basically just answered "because".

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Oh yeah, being anti-semitic for wanting to ban circumcision. It should be decided when the person is old enough if any.

If you want to pull that card, why allow parents to make any body-related decisions for their children at all?

They should be allowed to make positive body-related decisions to become healthy. A circumcision does not provide any health benefits and it's more of an accessory operation like plastic surgery.
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Oh yeah, being anti-semitic for wanting to ban circumcision. It should be decided when the person is old enough if any.

If you want to pull that card, why allow parents to make any body-related decisions for their children at all?

They should be allowed to make positive body-related decisions to become healthy. A circumcision does not provide any health benefits and it's more of an accessory operation like plastic surgery.

Parents are allowed to make decisions like plastic surgery for their kids.

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Circumcision can be a very dangerous, and far more painful process after infancy. Many deaths over the ages in war have been attributed to the foreskin and the difficulty in cleaning. Also, foreskins feature prominently in the Bible. Why is any of this relevant? Because why the [bleep] should a city care what happens to a child's penis? It's a family decision. The procedure isn't painful (surprisingly, trained anesthesiologists are pretty good at their job), mostly because nobody will remember it. I'm circumcised, and I hardly even knew what that meant until a few years ago. There are far more pressing matters than penis skin.
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I hope this doesn't go through actually because if it spreads it would make the jewish man in ASDA joke far less amusing.

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Oh yeah, being anti-semitic for wanting to ban circumcision. It should be decided when the person is old enough if any.

If you want to pull that card, why allow parents to make any body-related decisions for their children at all?

Oh for christ sake, circumcision is a choice that should be decided by the guy himself when he is old enough, not due to religious or whatever belief, unless it's a medical situation.
This is my, so it seems, crazy viewpoint on this forum.


I'm glad my parents decided to get mine done as an infant. If you wait until the person is conscious enough to make the personal choice, that would mean he's now reached the point where circumcision is more painful, difficult, dangerous, and will now actually be aware of the not so comfortable experience.




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