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From a players perspective, yes. From a business perspective, it's brilliant.

I don't think it's good business routinely alienating your core fan base.

The problem is that more and more of thier 'core fan base' are robots playing 24/7. The shifts that Jagex have made have undoubtedly made some players angry and quit, but the shifts also made way for hundreds of thousands more 'players' (bots) to give their money to Jagex. It's good business* to tick off 10 loyal customers if doing so leads to 100 more mindless customers coming to fill their shoes.

 

*Good in financial terms, which is all they investers care about, not PR.

 

Until there just arn't enough real players left for the bots to be profitable. In which case there will then be a mass exodus and jagex loses alot of cash all at once and company fails.

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Until there just arn't enough real players left for the bots to be profitable. In which case there will then be a mass exodus and jagex loses alot of cash all at once and company fails.

I'm guessing the VCs are hoping that they're (Individually) not the ones holding the bag when that happens :razz:

Presumably, the same way that Andrew himself seems to have cashed out before the game ate itself from the inside. Anything that happens now, we can't really pin on him.

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From a players perspective, yes. From a business perspective, it's brilliant.

I don't think it's good business routinely alienating your core fan base.

The problem is that more and more of thier 'core fan base' are robots playing 24/7. The shifts that Jagex have made have undoubtedly made some players angry and quit, but the shifts also made way for hundreds of thousands more 'players' (bots) to give their money to Jagex. It's good business* to tick off 10 loyal customers if doing so leads to 100 more mindless customers coming to fill their shoes.

 

*Good in financial terms, which is all they investers care about, not PR.

 

Until there just arn't enough real players left for the bots to be profitable. In which case there will then be a mass exodus and jagex loses alot of cash all at once and company fails.

 

Eggggggggggg-xactly! :thumbsup:

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From a players perspective, yes. From a business perspective, it's brilliant.

I don't think it's good business routinely alienating your core fan base.

The problem is that more and more of thier 'core fan base' are robots playing 24/7. The shifts that Jagex have made have undoubtedly made some players angry and quit, but the shifts also made way for hundreds of thousands more 'players' (bots) to give their money to Jagex. It's good business* to tick off 10 loyal customers if doing so leads to 100 more mindless customers coming to fill their shoes.

*Good in financial terms, which is all they investers care about, not PR.

Until there just arn't enough real players left for the bots to be profitable. In which case there will then be a mass exodus and jagex loses alot of cash all at once and company fails.

*Andrew builds up RS to be super awesome*

*sells Jagex for tens of millions*

*investers make dumb decisions and everyone quits*

*Andrew buys back Jagex for pennies on the dollar*

??????

Profit

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Edit: On a serious note, I think some of you are being a bit overdramatic. It's not uncommon for founders of a company to sell it off. That doesn't necessarily mean they think the company is "going down". More than anything else, it's probably the founder being tired of the day-to-day operations required in maintaining a business.

But how much faith would people have in Microsoft if Bill Gates sold off all (not some, all) of his shares? None. The company would fold like a cheap lawn chair. Diversification of your portfolio is one thing, completely bailing out is another. I wouldn't be surprised if Andrew's current position at Jagex was in name only, just to keep faith with the players that at least someone there still knows what the heck he's doing.

 

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Edit: On a serious note, I think some of you are being a bit overdramatic. It's not uncommon for founders of a company to sell it off. That doesn't necessarily mean they think the company is "going down". More than anything else, it's probably the founder being tired of the day-to-day operations required in maintaining a business.

But how much faith would people have in Microsoft if Bill Gates sold off all (not some, all) of his shares? None. The company would fold like a cheap lawn chair. Diversification of your portfolio is one thing, completely bailing out is another. I wouldn't be surprised if Andrew's current position at Jagex was in name only, just to keep faith with the players that at least someone there still knows what the heck he's doing.

 

I think he just has a job and works there now. Maybe gets a consulting fee too, but he's not anything anymore other than another employee.

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Edit: On a serious note, I think some of you are being a bit overdramatic. It's not uncommon for founders of a company to sell it off. That doesn't necessarily mean they think the company is "going down". More than anything else, it's probably the founder being tired of the day-to-day operations required in maintaining a business.

But how much faith would people have in Microsoft if Bill Gates sold off all (not some, all) of his shares? None. The company would fold like a cheap lawn chair. Diversification of your portfolio is one thing, completely bailing out is another. I wouldn't be surprised if Andrew's current position at Jagex was in name only, just to keep faith with the players that at least someone there still knows what the heck he's doing.

 

Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, for example, sold their company (Ben & Jerry's ice cream) years ago. The company didn't fold. That's just one example off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure I could find many examples of the original founder(s) of a company selling the company and the company not "folding like a cheap lawn chair" after the sale. This really isn't the end of the world type drama people are making it out to be. There are many factors involved in people selling their company that aren't related to bailing before the ship goes down.

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Well, you forget that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are the image of their company, if you think of their company, you imagine them, that same thing happens with Jagex. The Gowers ARE Jagex. B&J, the thing I think about that company, is cookiedough flavoured icecream, you see?

And you mustn't forget, B&J has improved under the supposed new rulers, a few years ago, their icecream was quite rare to find here in Belgium, now, you can buy it almost everywhere and they bring out new kinds of flavours.

Whereas we see that Jagex/RuneScape is now only getting gimmicks like expboosters and bottoleration, since the first day the Venture Group had the largest stock in the game, which was at around December 2010. Now, guess what was announced that month?

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To be fair, when I think of Ben & Jerry's, I do, in fact, think of Ben & Jerry.

 

However, that whole issue seems rather irrelevant, since it's quite clear that VC is trying to milk rs dry.

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TBH, Andrew definitely need to be blamed for at least part of this whole mess. He is the iconic image of RS, Jagex, regardless of how many times he actually appear - but just suddenly throwing in the towel? I just don't know what made him do it.... Getting investments is 1 thing, relinquishing the company you made from the ground up to the investors is something else... what made you do it Andrew?

 

That aside, anyone got anymore info on Fen Research - the new company he founded...? Is it ever going to buy RS back?

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what made you do it Andrew?

As Krusty the Clown once said: "They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house! I'm not made of stone!"

 

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what made you do it Andrew?

As Krusty the Clown once said: "They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house! I'm not made of stone!"

 

Because history told us that Andrew wouldn't give up control of his product because 1) He already has a lot of money and 2) he made you think his goal wasn't only about money.

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what made you do it Andrew?

As Krusty the Clown once said: "They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house! I'm not made of stone!"

Because history told us that Andrew wouldn't give up control of his product because 1) He already has a lot of money and 2) he made you think his goal wasn't only about money.

I agree, and that's part of why everyone is so upset over this. We expected more of him than simple money grubbing.

 

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I have no problem with money grubbing. I do have a problem with poor business. The people in control of Jagex are running it very poorly.

 

And let's be honest with ourselves, does anyone think Jagex won't or isn't blatantly lying to us nowadays?

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I agree, and that's part of why everyone is so upset over this. We expected more of him than simple money grubbing.

I have this same argument with friends whenever they whine about EA doing essentially the same thing.

 

They're a company. Their job is to make as much money as possible so that shareholders and investors make a good return on their money, so they'll continue to invest into the company. The only consideration a company has to its customers (aside from what the law dictates) is whether or not they'll continue to use and pay for the company's products. The only case I can see for not approving of 'money grubbing' from Jagex's perspective is if players drop off from RuneScape, they don't receive the subscription fees, and RuneScape fails to make enough profit.

 

The difference with botting is that, unlike Free Trade (where only 9% voted against), I think this might be the straw that breaks the camel's back for many.

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The attitude from the company appears to be that if they give us shiny new graphics and schemes which incentivise us to keep the subscriptions rolling in, we'll turn a blind eye to the blight of botting, which thanks to Free Trade, has now found an environment where bots can flourish and their owners not hold any fear of ramifications. I agree that that's a very poor assumption, particularly amongst those players who have organised themselves into clans and fansites and are therefore part of a network where they're never far away from the issues that affect RuneScape, including botting and the general decline of quality in new content. By that I mean people like me and you.

 

They need to focus less on the shiny stuff and concentrate more on the issues that affect RuneScape players on sites like Tip.It. If Jagex released a BTS saying, "This month we're not releasing any content because we're fixing the deeply embedded problems that fansites have flagged up repeatedly but we've ignored for far too long", I think it would actually go down well here even though subscribers aren't getting anything new.

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From a players perspective, yes. From a business perspective, it's brilliant.

A business without "perspective" is as empty as a balloon: and will pop sometime. Really it's bad for employees (they get less motivated if just working to "earn money" instead of working for a thing they believe in), it's bad for your public image, and it's finally bad for long term development.

 

There is no long standing company which doesn't have a perspective: and during studies this is the first thing you learn when forming a company. "selling to a venture" is often frowned down upon here, and goverment often prevent sales: this should give a message that "only profit" is bad business for everyone - in the same manner pyramid schemes are.

Ford started to make cars for everyone: and they still provide affordable cars.

Philips started to be inovative for light: and bring good environment choices. Currently they are investing mainly is medical apparature: but still the most innovative of the world.

ASML started to provide chipmachines which would bring the newest technology together

DAF has the aim to have least footnote: their trucks are natural the least demanding, and they were the first to describe tests to test motor exhaust.

(Those are all companies I have friends/familie working at high level).

 

 

Or take an internet based company: yoyogames. Founded by Sandy Duncan (leader of xbox europe for quite some time) and Mark Overmars (prof at university utrecht). They are actually caring about "the community" - they constantly ask the community to give feedback (heck there've been many contest for company logos - or now that they turned their site to another theme, they are open for user submitted themes). They respond in a personal clean manner with bugs. These things make me (at the very least) feel much more comfortable to report bugs, devote my free time to actually find bugs and describe them cleanly.

Jagex could also do this: while maybe constant personal message would be too much. They could at least "show their face" more often, act less like divine beings who know everything better.

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The attitude from the company appears to be that if they give us shiny new graphics and schemes which incentivise us to keep the subscriptions rolling in, we'll turn a blind eye to the blight of botting, which thanks to Free Trade, has now found an environment where bots can flourish and their owners not hold any fear of ramifications. I agree that that's a very poor assumption, particularly amongst those players who have organised themselves into clans and fansites and are therefore part of a network where they're never far away from the issues that affect RuneScape, including botting and the general decline of quality in new content. By that I mean people like me and you.

 

They need to focus less on the shiny stuff and concentrate more on the issues that affect RuneScape players on sites like Tip.It. If Jagex released a BTS saying, "This month we're not releasing any content because we're fixing the deeply embedded problems that fansites have flagged up repeatedly but we've ignored for far too long", I think it would actually go down well here even though subscribers aren't getting anything new.

 

A RS without bots, that would be fairly new to me

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