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RuneVillage - Removed as gold status because owner is a sex offender


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Well, Jagex is a company, not a government. That means they can judge anyone for anything past or present. And frankly, I don't care if thise guy is humiliated. I don't care about the legality of it. It was and still is an immoral thing to do and Jagex clearly said they must follow what they consider moral obligations.

Even companies should behave responsibly with information like this. Though Jagex following moral obligations is a bit funny considering what's gone on for the last year or so.

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At what point do we stop chastising people convicted of sex offenses, and allow them to integrate back into the community, albeit with controls. I mean, if we are going to go out and say "well he's set up a website based around a game that children play, thus is attracting teens..." is there anything we can't apply a round-a-bout logic to, in order to pull the same argument? Lagex have every right to protect their interests, but to publicly out him - again - after doing his time, well, I don't see that to be a moral action at all.

All they had to do was say "we have removed Gold status from RV for a breach of terms" or some legally vague pile of rubbish like that. Instead they have unleashed a lynch-mob.

Hmmm.
 

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I feel sorry for the little community. They all seem like a fairly good bunch of people, and now people are using this news to go and harass them. :-? As if they don't have enough problems already, yeesh. I think Jagex could've done a better job about handling this with the methods mentioned by Tripsis, and that hopefully would have prevented the backlash on the community itself.

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Wow, I used RuneVillage forums for several years before using the Tip.It forums. The decision was made purely on the fact that their forums were not as active and I grew bored of updating them, hoping somone had commented after me. I always used Tip.It for game update information though because it took way too long on RV.

To learn that Hiker is a registered sex offender is somewhat disturbing. Although his explanation shows how little it takes to get on that list, he does not seem very sincere in moving beyond his actions. He seems to still be on the defensive and attempting to bargain with himself and others about how bad "the system" makes things seem.

Sad to see that a 62-year-old could have such an attitude.

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Wow, I used RuneVillage forums for several years before using the Tip.It forums. The decision was made purely on the fact that their forums were not as active and I grew bored of updating them, hoping somone had commented after me. I always used Tip.It for game update information though because it took way too long on RV.

To learn that Hiker is a registered sex offender is somewhat disturbing. Although his explanation shows how little it takes to get on that list, he does not seem very sincere in moving beyond his actions. He seems to still be on the defensive and attempting to bargain with himself and others about how bad "the system" makes things seem.

Sad to see that a 62-year-old could have such an attitude.


Surely you can understand being on the defensive though, I mean, he has had his work thrown to hell because of his past actions, although they had no bearing on the website itself. Look at all the stuff people are saying about him without knowing the full facts of the case, just seeing that he is a RSO and thus public enemy number 1. How could anyone approach such a situation without a defensiveness?
 

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I understand being on the defensive for the current situation of finding out et cetera, but my comment on his defensiveness springs from the way he explains his previous actions when he speaks of the pornography and other past offenses.

He says (and I paraphrase) that he sent it through email because he figured it was not going to be such a harsh crime even though he knew it to be illegal. That is something you should no longer be defensive about. You should accept your fault and not focus on it at all, but he spends several paragraphs defending such actions.

Now, do I think he should be defensive about his time at RV and that his actions there have shown no threat or even inclination towards "sexual offense"? Yes, he should be defensive there. I put "sexual offense" in quotes because to call him a sex offender, I contend, is pretty harsh. Did he distribute pictures of teens, yes, but did he go out of his way to defile children by taking the photos or actively seek them out? Not to my knowledge, nor anyone else's from his accounts or the news article. (With that said, I am not condoning child pornography. It is reprehensible and should not be tolerated.)

I do not defend what he did and will not say it is not a crime, but to end up on a registered sex offender list because of it is harsh; however, he still should be able to accept that the state has taken action, he agreed to the terms, and be able to move on from attempting to place all the blame on the state.

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If it were up to me, SteveW would be out on his ass tomorrow heading to the unemployment line. This is what Jagex has come to? Publicly shaming people in stickied threads on their forums? I have a hard time explaining to people at my job that their credit card was declined, what kind of a thuggish [wagon] does SteveW have to be to condemn an entire fansite to endless harassment for the sake of making some kind of [cabbage] statement about protecting the children, a disproportionate response to an imaginary threat.
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All they had to do was say "we have removed Gold status from RV for a breach of terms" or some legally vague pile of rubbish like that. Instead they have unleashed a lynch-mob.

Hmmm.


That's a sentiment I can definitely agree with, especially since it seems like they (Jagex) were just sitting on this information until it appeared as if it might bite them in the ass.

All this fanfare and mud slinging is a bit much.

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Child pornography? He should be shot.

"child" is anyone under 18. Plenty of 14-17 year olds are having sex...sometimes with adults, and sending nude pictures, etc. Not condoning it, but your lack of understanding all this makes your wild claim ludicrous.


This. Assuming his story is true, which makes sense because of the sentence he got, I find it wrong to label him a sex offender, along with rapists and the like. There's a big difference between abusive images and self shots of 17 year olds.

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According to the article he distributed child porn. Maybe for money. He might not even be into that stuff. That's a whole different thing than say, being caught feeling up children. Jag is overreacting. Funny anyhow :lol:

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The problem with sex offender registries is that everyone from rapists to the guy who had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend can end up on them. That said, this guy surely must have been aware of the restrictions, fair or otherwise, placed upon people in such a position and should have known better than to start up a fan site for an online game at a point when the majority of it's player base was underage. I'll agree that sometimes people make mistakes, and sometimes they go to prison simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and once you've done your time you deserve a second chance but this is one of those crimes that follows you for the rest of your days.

As for how Jagex handled it, I agree that it may not have been the best way of doing things but we don't know how this information was brought to their attention or if they had been receiving complaints about it. Publicly stating that they were distancing themselves from RuneVillage and it's founder may have been the only way of silencing the complainants.

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Because of how Jagex has handled this and misused the information they've received their collaboration with the existing communities may be taken into thought as a way of lording over them like they've just done here.



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Only one thing bothers me.

This is a past crime. From what I understand, it was a decade and a half ago. The man in question has by all appearances since repented and salvaged what he could of his personal honour.

The lynch mob doesn't surprise me. The sharks smell blood - well, there'll be a feeding frenzy.

Airing the dirty laundry in public is in poor taste.
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According to the article he distributed child porn. Maybe for money. He might not even be into that stuff. That's a whole different thing than say, being caught feeling up children. Jag is overreacting. Funny anyhow :lol:


They aren't overreacting. Any old right-wing nut could have made the link that Lagex gives gold fansite status to a website run by a sex-offender. Now, whilst being an absolutely rediculous straw-man argument that follows (well, if they give gold status to a website run by predators, they must be ok with predators) you have people out in segments of the media and society who will a) say it and b) believe it. They have to cover their arse as a business, because to have a game that is marketed to children (even though we say it's meant to be geared towards an adult audience), they can't have such things said - false or not. It will tarnish their reputation and this particular mud sticks.

The problem with sex offender registries is that everyone from rapists to the guy who had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend can end up on them. That said, this guy surely must have been aware of the restrictions, fair or otherwise, placed upon people in such a position and should have known better than to start up a fan site for an online game at a point when the majority of it's player base was underage. I'll agree that sometimes people make mistakes, and sometimes they go to prison simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and once you've done your time you deserve a second chance but this is one of those crimes that follows you for the rest of your days.


Could you explain to me in the legislation at hand, where it says he cannot run a fan site for a game which may have or may not have kids involved? I'm not in the US so I don't know the law there like I do here.
 

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According to the article he distributed child porn. Maybe for money. He might not even be into that stuff. That's a whole different thing than say, being caught feeling up children. Jag is overreacting. Funny anyhow :lol:


They aren't overreacting. Any old right-wing nut could have made the link that Lagex gives gold fansite status to a website run by a sex-offender. Now, whilst being an absolutely rediculous straw-man argument that follows (well, if they give gold status to a website run by predators, they must be ok with predators) you have people out in segments of the media and society who will a) say it and b) believe it. They have to cover their arse as a business, because to have a game that is marketed to children (even though we say it's meant to be geared towards an adult audience), they can't have such things said - false or not. It will tarnish their reputation and this particular mud sticks.


Well, if he did his time, maybe they should just let it go. Then again, committing a sexual offense will haunt you forever, and this is only one of many of the consequences this man will face.
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According to the article he distributed child porn. Maybe for money. He might not even be into that stuff. That's a whole different thing than say, being caught feeling up children. Jag is overreacting. Funny anyhow :lol:


They aren't overreacting. Any old right-wing nut could have made the link that Lagex gives gold fansite status to a website run by a sex-offender. Now, whilst being an absolutely rediculous straw-man argument that follows (well, if they give gold status to a website run by predators, they must be ok with predators) you have people out in segments of the media and society who will a) say it and b) believe it. They have to cover their arse as a business, because to have a game that is marketed to children (even though we say it's meant to be geared towards an adult audience), they can't have such things said - false or not. It will tarnish their reputation and this particular mud sticks.

The problem with sex offender registries is that everyone from rapists to the guy who had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend can end up on them. That said, this guy surely must have been aware of the restrictions, fair or otherwise, placed upon people in such a position and should have known better than to start up a fan site for an online game at a point when the majority of it's player base was underage. I'll agree that sometimes people make mistakes, and sometimes they go to prison simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and once you've done your time you deserve a second chance but this is one of those crimes that follows you for the rest of your days.


Could you explain to me in the legislation at hand, where it says he cannot run a fan site for a game which may have or may not have kids involved? I'm not in the US so I don't know the law there like I do here.

You have a valid point and truthfully thats the problem with the world today. People are too damn sensitive when it comes to situations like this.



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The problem with sex offender registries is that everyone from rapists to the guy who had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend can end up on them. That said, this guy surely must have been aware of the restrictions, fair or otherwise, placed upon people in such a position and should have known better than to start up a fan site for an online game at a point when the majority of it's player base was underage. I'll agree that sometimes people make mistakes, and sometimes they go to prison simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and once you've done your time you deserve a second chance but this is one of those crimes that follows you for the rest of your days.

Could you explain to me in the legislation at hand, where it says he cannot run a fan site for a game which may have or may not have kids involved? I'm not in the US so I don't know the law there like I do here.

Generally, people who are convicted of crimes that would require registration as a sex offender come with restrictions relative to their crimes. The most common of which are things like being prevented from working around children (like in a school), volunteering for groups that work with children (Boy Scouts/Girl Guides, Big Brothers/Big Sisters, etc...), not living within a certain distance of school or playground...that kind of thing. Considering one of the things he was convicted of was distribution of pornographic pictures of minors, I'm sure he has similar restrictions placed upon him.

While starting up a fansite for a game aimed at minors might not be technically violating any of his restrictions, I'm sure it easily falls into a grey area that a man of his age should have known well enough to avoid. Especially if he is simply trying to put such things behind him and move on with his life as a law abiding citizen (a commendable course that we should all be supportive of).

Edit: I just realized he may have restrictions against him forbidding him from initiating contact with minors, or communicating with minors who are not family over the internet (not unreasonable considering he distributed the offensive pictures via email). If so, then starting up the fansite would easily fall under the list of things he shouldn't be doing.

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The difference is huge so comparing the two is nearly pointless, however I will humour you and explain them. A Jagex worker in their role as staff generally has no links with the public, bar the community management team. This means there is no need for them to know such details, as once somebody has served their time, unless in a role which brings them into contact with children, it should remain in the past. Staff are also not often know, again, bar community management and high profile developers. When one leaves, very few people outside of Jagex know. The Runevillage Admin on the other hand, in his role as administrator had very close contact, and a responsibility to have close contact with the public, of which a major portion could be children. The Admin also possibly has unrestricted access to personal details of users of the forum. Unlike Jagex staff leaving, when Runevillage loses it's gold status, it is very public and people notice. Due to this, Jagex had to either give reasons or be subject to wild speculation which could possibly give them very bad publicity.

I'm referring to a Jagex member that would be apart of the community side of things. I assumed that would be a given. All i'm saying is, is that Jagex could have left it to something general, calling the owner out as a "sex offender" wasn't necessary in the situation.
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So basically, we have no idea whether or not he was in the wrong starting a fansite.
 

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So basically, we have no idea whether or not he was in the wrong starting a fansite.

Pretty much. That said, I still agree with Jagex's decision to pull support from the site, just not the way they did it.

Although, the fact that they gave us information into their decision was a refreshing change.

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