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Today is the beginning of the 10th year of the war in Afghanistan.


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1801 US Casualties

2753 Total Coalition Casualties

50,000+ Afghan Civilian Casualties

$461 Billion
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Just figured this'd be a good retrospective, along with 10 years after 9/11. Thoughts?

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The various wars the US wages is for the liberation and benefit of whoever survives them... if they can survive the ensuing, probably worse regime that media doesn't cover. But the US will always be happy to foot the bill so long as we get to add another satellite country to the list.
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Just figured this'd be a good retrospective, along with 10 years after 9/11. Thoughts?

And the U.S. is still occupying Germany from WWII.

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I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...

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I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...

yea, wheres the mention of all those billions going to the military industrial complex or of the patriot act?

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Thoughts?

Yes, a much more justifiable, needed war then Iraq. A tough stretch, and a stretch I wish would finally end. And I'm a US service member who has been deployed.
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I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...

yea, wheres the mention of all those billions going to the military industrial complex or of the patriot act?

I was thinking more of afghan democracy, greatly improved infrastructure and quality of life, but okay.

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The various wars the US wages is for the liberation and benefit of whoever survives them... if they can survive the ensuing, probably worse regime that media doesn't cover. But the US will always be happy to foot the bill so long as we get to add another satellite country to the list.

I thought it was for the oil.

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I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...

yea, wheres the mention of all those billions going to the military industrial complex or of the patriot act?

I was thinking more of afghan democracy, greatly improved infrastructure and quality of life, but okay.

I was mostly posting the hard and known facts of the war, I'd never say there weren't any gains but they are much more subjective.

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I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...

yea, wheres the mention of all those billions going to the military industrial complex or of the patriot act?

I was thinking more of afghan democracy, greatly improved infrastructure and quality of life, but okay.

I was mostly posting the hard and known facts of the war, I'd never say there weren't any gains but they are much more subjective.

"Afghanistan became a democracy as a result of the US removing Bin Laden from power" is not a subjective statement.

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I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...

yea, wheres the mention of all those billions going to the military industrial complex or of the patriot act?

I was thinking more of afghan democracy, greatly improved infrastructure and quality of life, but okay.

I was mostly posting the hard and known facts of the war, I'd never say there weren't any gains but they are much more subjective.

"Afghanistan became a democracy as a result of the US removing Bin Laden from power" is not a subjective statement.

But has that raised the quality of life for the average afghan? Even if we take democracy in itself as a purely positive force the impact on the population has been debatable.

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Just figured this'd be a good retrospective, along with 10 years after 9/11. Thoughts?

And the U.S. is still occupying Germany from WWII.


what

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I didn't support it then and I don't support it now, though my country still has troops deployed over there and has the second highest non NATO presence (after Australia). Iraq, however, is a very different kettle of fish.

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Colossal waste of money. The amount of corruption in the new "democracy" there is astounding and we could spend another ten years there without the situation getting any better. Just leave already, it's too expensive.

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Just figured this'd be a good retrospective, along with 10 years after 9/11. Thoughts?

And the U.S. is still occupying Germany from WWII.


what


The US still has bases in Germany. I'm not sure how that's an argument in favor of continuing the Afghan Occupation, considering our Empire is drowning the United States in debt. Oh, just like every Empire before it. Other than the USSR, another good example is the French Ancien Regime:

The state was constantly at war.
The rich were exempt from taxation.
The constant wars and tax cuts for the rich resulted in an enormous debt.
Innovation was focused on moving money, not investments that generated wealth.
The elite were entirely self-absorbed in their own interests, regarding the common people with contempt.
Elections were corrupted and eventually eliminated.

All Empires collapse; that's probably one of the few good things to come of this occupation -- what emerges from the ashes could be bad, though. Also, it is true that surveys suggest women's lives have improved.

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Just figured this'd be a good retrospective, along with 10 years after 9/11. Thoughts?

And the U.S. is still occupying Germany from WWII.


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Occupying a territory 10 years after conquering it is nothing. Anyhow, going into Afghanistan in the beginning was justifiable. And even if it wasn't, the rule of thumb is if you make a mess, you clean it up. The U.S. should've done that 30 years ago, but better late than never?

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