October 7, 201114 yr 1801 US Casualties 2753 Total Coalition Casualties 50,000+ Afghan Civilian Casualties $461 Billionhttp://www.cnn.com/2011/10/07/world/asia/afghanistan-war-anniversary/?hpt=wo_c1 Just figured this'd be a good retrospective, along with 10 years after 9/11. Thoughts? http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/aspeeder/Siggy_zpsewaiux2t.png 99 Strength since 6/02/10 99 Attack since 9/19/10 99 Constitution since 10/03/10 99 Defense since 3/14/11 99 Slayer since 8/30/11 99 Summoning since 9/10/11 99 Ranged since 09/18/11 99 Magic since 11/12/11 99 Prayer since 11/15/11 99 Herblore since 3/29/12 99 Firemaking since 5/15/12 99 Smithing since 10/04/12 99 Crafting since 9/16/13 99 Agility since 9/23/13 99 Dungeoneering since 1/1/14 99 Fishing since 2/4/14 99 Mining since 2/28/14 99 Farming since 6/04/14 99 Cooking since 6/11/14 99 Runecrafting since 10/10/14 9 Fletching since 11/11/14 99 Thieving since 11/14/14 99 Woodcutting since 11/20/14 99 Construction since 12/03/14 99 Divination since 2/22/15 99 Hunter since 2/23/15 99 Invention since 01/20/17 99 Archaeology since 5/14/22 99 Necromancy since 11/22/25 Quest Point Cape since 08/20/09 Maxed since 2/23/15 Fire Cape since 02/27/13 Slayer: 3 Leaf-Bladed Swords, 8 Black Masks, 2 Hexcrests, 26 Granite Mauls, 5 Focus Sights, 33 Abyssal Whips, 9 Dark Bows, 1 Whip Vine, 3 Staffs of Light, 15 Polypore Sticks Dragon: 10 Draconic Visages, 7 Shield Left Halves, 20 Dragon Boots, 40 Dragon Med Helms, 8 Dragon Platelegs, 6 Dragon Spears, 20 Dragon Daggers, 5 Dragon Plateskirts, 1 Dragon Chainbody, 63 Off-hand Dragon Throwing Axes, 19 Dragon Longswords, 27 Dragon Maces, 1 Dragon Ward Treasure Trails: Saradomin Full Helm, Ranger Boots, Rune Body (t), Saradomin Vambraces, Various God Pages Misc:1 Onyx,1 Ahrim's Hood, 1 Guthan's Chainskirt, 1 Demon Slayer Boots
October 7, 201114 yr The various wars the US wages is for the liberation and benefit of whoever survives them... if they can survive the ensuing, probably worse regime that media doesn't cover. But the US will always be happy to foot the bill so long as we get to add another satellite country to the list. He who wears his morality but as his best garment were better naked... Your daily life is your temple and your religion
October 7, 201114 yr Just figured this'd be a good retrospective, along with 10 years after 9/11. Thoughts?And the U.S. is still occupying Germany from WWII. 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪
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October 7, 201114 yr I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP... "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti
October 7, 201114 yr I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...yea, wheres the mention of all those billions going to the military industrial complex or of the patriot act?
October 7, 201114 yr I love the taste of bandwagon bias in the morning. Want to be my friend? Look under my name to the left<<< and click the 'Add as friend' button!Big thanks to Stevepole for the signature!^
October 7, 201114 yr Thoughts? Yes, a much more justifiable, needed war then Iraq. A tough stretch, and a stretch I wish would finally end. And I'm a US service member who has been deployed.
October 7, 201114 yr I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...yea, wheres the mention of all those billions going to the military industrial complex or of the patriot act?I was thinking more of afghan democracy, greatly improved infrastructure and quality of life, but okay. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti
October 7, 201114 yr The various wars the US wages is for the liberation and benefit of whoever survives them... if they can survive the ensuing, probably worse regime that media doesn't cover. But the US will always be happy to foot the bill so long as we get to add another satellite country to the list.I thought it was for the oil.
October 7, 201114 yr Author I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...yea, wheres the mention of all those billions going to the military industrial complex or of the patriot act?I was thinking more of afghan democracy, greatly improved infrastructure and quality of life, but okay.I was mostly posting the hard and known facts of the war, I'd never say there weren't any gains but they are much more subjective. http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/aspeeder/Siggy_zpsewaiux2t.png 99 Strength since 6/02/10 99 Attack since 9/19/10 99 Constitution since 10/03/10 99 Defense since 3/14/11 99 Slayer since 8/30/11 99 Summoning since 9/10/11 99 Ranged since 09/18/11 99 Magic since 11/12/11 99 Prayer since 11/15/11 99 Herblore since 3/29/12 99 Firemaking since 5/15/12 99 Smithing since 10/04/12 99 Crafting since 9/16/13 99 Agility since 9/23/13 99 Dungeoneering since 1/1/14 99 Fishing since 2/4/14 99 Mining since 2/28/14 99 Farming since 6/04/14 99 Cooking since 6/11/14 99 Runecrafting since 10/10/14 9 Fletching since 11/11/14 99 Thieving since 11/14/14 99 Woodcutting since 11/20/14 99 Construction since 12/03/14 99 Divination since 2/22/15 99 Hunter since 2/23/15 99 Invention since 01/20/17 99 Archaeology since 5/14/22 99 Necromancy since 11/22/25 Quest Point Cape since 08/20/09 Maxed since 2/23/15 Fire Cape since 02/27/13 Slayer: 3 Leaf-Bladed Swords, 8 Black Masks, 2 Hexcrests, 26 Granite Mauls, 5 Focus Sights, 33 Abyssal Whips, 9 Dark Bows, 1 Whip Vine, 3 Staffs of Light, 15 Polypore Sticks Dragon: 10 Draconic Visages, 7 Shield Left Halves, 20 Dragon Boots, 40 Dragon Med Helms, 8 Dragon Platelegs, 6 Dragon Spears, 20 Dragon Daggers, 5 Dragon Plateskirts, 1 Dragon Chainbody, 63 Off-hand Dragon Throwing Axes, 19 Dragon Longswords, 27 Dragon Maces, 1 Dragon Ward Treasure Trails: Saradomin Full Helm, Ranger Boots, Rune Body (t), Saradomin Vambraces, Various God Pages Misc:1 Onyx,1 Ahrim's Hood, 1 Guthan's Chainskirt, 1 Demon Slayer Boots
October 7, 201114 yr I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...yea, wheres the mention of all those billions going to the military industrial complex or of the patriot act?I was thinking more of afghan democracy, greatly improved infrastructure and quality of life, but okay.I was mostly posting the hard and known facts of the war, I'd never say there weren't any gains but they are much more subjective."Afghanistan became a democracy as a result of the US removing Bin Laden from power" is not a subjective statement. My skin is finally getting softI'll scrub until the damn thing comes off
October 7, 201114 yr Author I like how you only listed the negatives in the OP...yea, wheres the mention of all those billions going to the military industrial complex or of the patriot act?I was thinking more of afghan democracy, greatly improved infrastructure and quality of life, but okay.I was mostly posting the hard and known facts of the war, I'd never say there weren't any gains but they are much more subjective."Afghanistan became a democracy as a result of the US removing Bin Laden from power" is not a subjective statement.But has that raised the quality of life for the average afghan? Even if we take democracy in itself as a purely positive force the impact on the population has been debatable. http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww6/aspeeder/Siggy_zpsewaiux2t.png 99 Strength since 6/02/10 99 Attack since 9/19/10 99 Constitution since 10/03/10 99 Defense since 3/14/11 99 Slayer since 8/30/11 99 Summoning since 9/10/11 99 Ranged since 09/18/11 99 Magic since 11/12/11 99 Prayer since 11/15/11 99 Herblore since 3/29/12 99 Firemaking since 5/15/12 99 Smithing since 10/04/12 99 Crafting since 9/16/13 99 Agility since 9/23/13 99 Dungeoneering since 1/1/14 99 Fishing since 2/4/14 99 Mining since 2/28/14 99 Farming since 6/04/14 99 Cooking since 6/11/14 99 Runecrafting since 10/10/14 9 Fletching since 11/11/14 99 Thieving since 11/14/14 99 Woodcutting since 11/20/14 99 Construction since 12/03/14 99 Divination since 2/22/15 99 Hunter since 2/23/15 99 Invention since 01/20/17 99 Archaeology since 5/14/22 99 Necromancy since 11/22/25 Quest Point Cape since 08/20/09 Maxed since 2/23/15 Fire Cape since 02/27/13 Slayer: 3 Leaf-Bladed Swords, 8 Black Masks, 2 Hexcrests, 26 Granite Mauls, 5 Focus Sights, 33 Abyssal Whips, 9 Dark Bows, 1 Whip Vine, 3 Staffs of Light, 15 Polypore Sticks Dragon: 10 Draconic Visages, 7 Shield Left Halves, 20 Dragon Boots, 40 Dragon Med Helms, 8 Dragon Platelegs, 6 Dragon Spears, 20 Dragon Daggers, 5 Dragon Plateskirts, 1 Dragon Chainbody, 63 Off-hand Dragon Throwing Axes, 19 Dragon Longswords, 27 Dragon Maces, 1 Dragon Ward Treasure Trails: Saradomin Full Helm, Ranger Boots, Rune Body (t), Saradomin Vambraces, Various God Pages Misc:1 Onyx,1 Ahrim's Hood, 1 Guthan's Chainskirt, 1 Demon Slayer Boots
October 8, 201114 yr Just figured this'd be a good retrospective, along with 10 years after 9/11. Thoughts?And the U.S. is still occupying Germany from WWII. what
October 8, 201114 yr I didn't support it then and I don't support it now, though my country still has troops deployed over there and has the second highest non NATO presence (after Australia). Iraq, however, is a very different kettle of fish. I found a panda and then we bought malt liquor. I hold my malt liquor better than a panda. And I thought my weekends were good. ._.
October 8, 201114 yr Colossal waste of money. The amount of corruption in the new "democracy" there is astounding and we could spend another ten years there without the situation getting any better. Just leave already, it's too expensive. "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder."
October 8, 201114 yr Just figured this'd be a good retrospective, along with 10 years after 9/11. Thoughts?And the U.S. is still occupying Germany from WWII. what The US still has bases in Germany. I'm not sure how that's an argument in favor of continuing the Afghan Occupation, considering our Empire is drowning the United States in debt. Oh, just like every Empire before it. Other than the USSR, another good example is the French Ancien Regime: The state was constantly at war.The rich were exempt from taxation.The constant wars and tax cuts for the rich resulted in an enormous debt.Innovation was focused on moving money, not investments that generated wealth.The elite were entirely self-absorbed in their own interests, regarding the common people with contempt.Elections were corrupted and eventually eliminated. All Empires collapse; that's probably one of the few good things to come of this occupation -- what emerges from the ashes could be bad, though. Also, it is true that surveys suggest women's lives have improved.
October 8, 201114 yr Just figured this'd be a good retrospective, along with 10 years after 9/11. Thoughts?And the U.S. is still occupying Germany from WWII. whatOccupying a territory 10 years after conquering it is nothing. Anyhow, going into Afghanistan in the beginning was justifiable. And even if it wasn't, the rule of thumb is if you make a mess, you clean it up. The U.S. should've done that 30 years ago, but better late than never? 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪
October 8, 201114 yr I think a safer rule of thumb would be stop making the same mess over and over again. A ten year war that produces no results is utter stupidity especially given its cost. "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder."
October 8, 201114 yr Well yeah, I'd prefer to be an isolationist as well. Hopefully the [future?] president will learn from the mistakes of his/her predecessor. 99 dungeoneering achieved, thanks to everyone that celebrated with me! ♪♪ Don't interrupt me as I struggle to complete this thoughtHave some respect for someone more forgetful than yourself ♪♪♪♪ And I'm not doneAnd I won't be till my head falls off ♪♪
October 8, 201114 yr Once again, saying this war produced "no" results is a gross simplification. It certainly has produced many results - not that the cost was worth the results, but there are positives. And of course, we don't know what might have been had the war not occurred.. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti
October 8, 201114 yr It certainly has produced many results - not that the cost was worth the results, but there are positives. And of course, we don't know what might have been had the war not occurred.. This. Edited October 8, 201114 yr by obfuscator fixed my quote since i can't spell :(
October 9, 201114 yr The Taliban will never, ever back down and we will never, ever eradicate their control and forces. Per above, provide humanitarian aid, but do not occupy. My humble onion.
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