Not in the bet =p

But to toss in another idea what about shield of arrav?

It has been a very very very long time since I have done the quest, but I remember it being rather dull, and requiring a random person. It must have been spruced up a little over the years, but it seems like a good option for re-work.

 

I am f2p, I know there is a p2p quest that uses the black arm/phoenix so....

Not in the bet =p

But to toss in another idea what about shield of arrav?

It has been a very very very long time since I have done the quest, but I remember it being rather dull, and requiring a random person. It must have been spruced up a little over the years, but it seems like a good option for re-work.

 

I am f2p, I know there is a p2p quest that uses the black arm/phoenix so....

Like you mentioned that would also require a rework of the Hero's Quest, though I could also see that getting a rework to give the sig heroes their own place rather than being on the second floor of the legend's guild.

I could see Linza being in the Shield of Arrav re-work. Or possibly if they ever re-work dragon slayer to allow you to attach something protective against firebreath to a normal piece of armor or weapon. Then it could be updated that players would see Linza to turn a visage into an antifire shield maybe? IDK. Kind of grasping here lol

I'm unsure if they would rework Recruitment Drive, as the two P2P quests from Ozan and Ariane were both completely new quests and not reworks of previous ones.

But then, that doesn't really prevent them from doing that.

There are a couple of older P2P quests that require some reworking. Sheep Herder?

I'm unsure if they would rework Recruitment Drive, as the two P2P quests from Ozan and Ariane were both completely new quests and not reworks of previous ones.

But then, that doesn't really prevent them from doing that.

 

Ah crap. You're right. Well, I won't welch now. Bring on the judgement day!

I read somewhere that Black Knight Fortress was the quest being reworked for Sir Owen Ewain damnit.

 

I assume Alg read that too :razz:

I read somewhere that Black Knight Fortress was the quest being reworked for Sir Owen Ewain damnit.

 

I assume Alg read that too :razz:

I didn't read that, it just made the most sense for that to be the quest. Yay for winning a bet? :grin:

I read somewhere that Black Knight Fortress was the quest being reworked for Sir Owen Ewain damnit.

 

I assume Alg read that too :razz:

I didn't read that, it just made the most sense for that to be the quest. Yay for winning a bet? :grin:

What about me? I said they should revamp knight's sword and Black knight fortress in the Falador/Sir Owen rework to :o (check page 6)

Mod Mark did actually say in one of the live streams that Owen would be featured in his own double bill starting with a rework of Black Knights fortress.

 

So expect that and another new P2P quest for the second part.

[hide=spoiler]Ellaron was zamorakian, and the zamorak wizards who left after the destruction of the first tower (pre-newest quest lore) became the ZMI. To access the abyss, the ZMI had to send an apprentice to the abyss to maintain the connection.

Why didn't they just use the power beam, which performed the same function but without needing to sacrifice an apprentice?[/hide]

[hide=spoiler]Ellaron was zamorakian, and the zamorak wizards who left after the destruction of the first tower (pre-newest quest lore) became the ZMI. To access the abyss, the ZMI had to send an apprentice to the abyss to maintain the connection.

Why didn't they just use the power beam, which performed the same function but without needing to sacrifice an apprentice?[/hide]

 

The ability to teleport to the abyss was possible because of the beam. But there was nothing within the Abyss to anchor their teleport spells to in order to get back to the overworld. The portal within the abyss might have been their answer -- another connection to another area of the abyss to bypass the distance needed to reach the rune altars. And because it seems like their magic was less refined than their Mage Guild counterparts, the portal could've been unstable, hence the Apprentice's need for constant vigilance.

 

...Or maybe I have it back asswards and it's the portal within the abyss that anchors them & allows them to teleport INTO the abyss, and the portal beam in Gielnor allows them to teleport OUT of the abyss as a reverse of what people use to teleport in the overworld.

 

I'm not sure exactly which it is, but I'm fairly confident it's one of those answers. Actually I think it might be the second one. Ehh.

[hide=spoiler]Ellaron was zamorakian, and the zamorak wizards who left after the destruction of the first tower (pre-newest quest lore) became the ZMI. To access the abyss, the ZMI had to send an apprentice to the abyss to maintain the connection.

Why didn't they just use the power beam, which performed the same function but without needing to sacrifice an apprentice?[/hide]

 

The ability to teleport to the abyss was possible because of the beam. But there was nothing within the Abyss to anchor their teleport spells to in order to get back to the overworld. The portal within the abyss might have been their answer -- another connection to another area of the abyss to bypass the distance needed to reach the rune altars. And because it seems like their magic was less refined than their Mage Guild counterparts, the portal could've been unstable, hence the Apprentice's need for constant vigilance.

 

...Or maybe I have it back asswards and it's the portal within the abyss that anchors them & allows them to teleport INTO the abyss, and the portal beam in Gielnor allows them to teleport OUT of the abyss as a reverse of what people use to teleport in the overworld.

 

I'm not sure exactly which it is, but I'm fairly confident it's one of those answers. Actually I think it might be the second one. Ehh.

I got a third theory:

 

The power beam makes it possible to teleport both in and out of the abyss, but it cannot make the user's existence in the abyss stable. Teleporting in instantly forces you to teleport out at your destination. A normal teleport does not use the portal at all, so as to make the user spend practically no time in the abyss (which is a good thing if you want to avoid users being ripped to shreds).

 

The portal is like the beam in that it's an anchor, but as you say, it's poorly executed and requires constant supervision, as the ZMI didn't have the resources or knowledge of the rest of the Tower to do it properly. Half-teleports, where the user goes into the abyss and stays there, uses the beam to go in and the portal to stabilise the user's existence in the abyss.

 

Then this begs the question of how normal teleport spells work when you cast them while you're in the abyss. Ehh.

I'd say "A wizard did it" but that's exactly what we're arguing about.

[hide=spoiler]Ellaron was zamorakian, and the zamorak wizards who left after the destruction of the first tower (pre-newest quest lore) became the ZMI. To access the abyss, the ZMI had to send an apprentice to the abyss to maintain the connection.

Why didn't they just use the power beam, which performed the same function but without needing to sacrifice an apprentice?[/hide]

 

The ability to teleport to the abyss was possible because of the beam. But there was nothing within the Abyss to anchor their teleport spells to in order to get back to the overworld. The portal within the abyss might have been their answer -- another connection to another area of the abyss to bypass the distance needed to reach the rune altars. And because it seems like their magic was less refined than their Mage Guild counterparts, the portal could've been unstable, hence the Apprentice's need for constant vigilance.

 

...Or maybe I have it back asswards and it's the portal within the abyss that anchors them & allows them to teleport INTO the abyss, and the portal beam in Gielnor allows them to teleport OUT of the abyss as a reverse of what people use to teleport in the overworld.

 

I'm not sure exactly which it is, but I'm fairly confident it's one of those answers. Actually I think it might be the second one. Ehh.

I got a third theory:

 

The power beam makes it possible to teleport both in and out of the abyss, but it cannot make the user's existence in the abyss stable. Teleporting in instantly forces you to teleport out at your destination. A normal teleport does not use the portal at all, so as to make the user spend practically no time in the abyss (which is a good thing if you want to avoid users being ripped to shreds).

 

The portal is like the beam in that it's an anchor, but as you say, it's poorly executed and requires constant supervision, as the ZMI didn't have the resources or knowledge of the rest of the Tower to do it properly. Half-teleports, where the user goes into the abyss and stays there, uses the beam to go in and the portal to stabilise the user's existence in the abyss.

 

Then this begs the question of how normal teleport spells work when you cast them while you're in the abyss. Ehh.

 

The original CFT.

I'd say "A wizard did it" but that's exactly what we're arguing about.

 

Yeah, I give up. I like that Jagex is trying to suggest there's real science behind magic, and they might well have worked out everything, but I can only go so far before I realise that I'm drawing up theories for a really pointless subject. I click a button, which makes me go from point A to B instantly. A beam of light and a wobbly sphere guarded by a floating person somehow allow me to do this.