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Should trading EOCscape gp for 07scape GP be bannable?


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We currently have the horrific system of allowing trading between games, this has created a variety of problems.

- All top buyables ranks are just people swapping phats for 07scape cash.
- RWT is basicly unbannable now in both games, you can just claim you are swapping for otherscape GP and be fine.
- It is just as bad for the game as RWTing is, noobs get the best gear via basicly cheating.


I cannot see any positive sides to allowing cross game trading.
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I'd think the only problem is that it would be a nightmare to enforce.

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I can't see how cross-game trading creates a level playing field at all, but it's impossible to police, and rules are only as good as they are possible to enforce.

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I'd think the only problem is that it would be a nightmare to enforce.


Jagex heavily tracks data, which is how they can (claim to) track gold as it funnels through several mule accounts and eventually to the seller and then the buyer. I'm sure they could set up an algorithm to send up a flag when player A trades player B a heavy amount of stuff in one game and then Player B does the same in the other. Then again, Jagex has always been kinda soft on trust trades.
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I'd think the only problem is that it would be a nightmare to enforce.

It doesn't have to be enforced heavily to stop the worst of the problem, just making it technically bannable will put off a lot of people, and will stop the top highscore spots going to them.
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If it's anything like the rule against macroing/RWT, it probably won't do anything about the problem. I had quite a few high level friends that were very open about their botting/RWTing before Jagex started their crusade against it, mostly because they knew that they wouldn't be banned unless they were stupid about it.

Jagex heavily tracks data, which is how they can (claim to) track gold as it funnels through several mule accounts and eventually to the seller and then the buyer. I'm sure they could set up an algorithm to send up a flag when player A trades player B a heavy amount of stuff in one game and then Player B does the same in the other. Then again, Jagex has always been kinda soft on trust trades.

I'm wondering about how that would work for legitimate players though. Say, Friend A returns from a three year hiatus, starts a 2007 account, and is given a healthy amount of items by Friend B who's already established on the server. A while later, Friend A logs back into his 2013Scape account and gifts Friend B with a lot of his old items, because A doesn't like EoC and he's going to stick to 2007 exclusively.

Granted, that sort of thing is probably as rare as legitimate examples of "I didn't RWT, I gave him a gift of 20B ingame GP and, by coincidence, he gave me an amount of real would money that's very close to how much I would get if I sold it to gold sellers (Which I didn't)". We'll see how it goes.

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I guess it couldve been one of the things they looked into if they got 500k or 750k votes. I guess it would take quite a bit of money/ effort to enforce, which is probably why it isnt going to happen.

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To put it simply, yes I think so.

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It should be against the rules

I consider the two games as being 2 different accounts, and one of Jagex's rules is your accounts should not interact in any way.

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The thing is it's always been around but in other games. This is effectively two different games. I've known people who have quit and picked up WoW but traded their rs gold for WoW gold with people. Yeah that's probably against the rules but is still the same concept. Hard to police and has always happened through RuneScape, just with different games.

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I am only posting this as he is my friend, and I'll defend him. Paulrat3 (paulrat07) has not bought any 2007 gp with eoc gp for his #1 craft rank. I cannot speak for other top buyables, but to assume everyone top ranked bought gp is naive. It is very easy to make gp in 2007 servers, especially with high skills.

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Granted, that sort of thing is probably as rare as legitimate examples of "I didn't RWT, I gave him a gift of 20B ingame GP and, by coincidence, he gave me an amount of real would money that's very close to how much I would get if I sold it to gold sellers (Which I didn't)". We'll see how it goes.


That is rare, and about as believable as "No, officer, I wasn't selling that man drugs. We're good friends so I gave him cocaine as a gift and he gave me a hundred bucks for my birthday that he missed last month."
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Honestly I don't really care - I don't give a shit about high scores or firsts or other peoples achievements in general.

I just play a game and hit monsters and people and stuff. It's fun, you should try it. ;)
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Honestly I don't really care - I don't give a shit about high scores or firsts or other peoples achievements in general.

I just play a game and hit monsters and people and stuff. It's fun, you should try it. ;)

just because you don't care about the competitive side of the game doesn't mean no one else does.
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Yeah I hate it, but I can completely understand that it really is too hard to enforce a rule like that.

And from what Artemis was saying, it also sucks because people who manage to be completely successful just in OSRS will look like they eoc trade.

All we can really do is discourage it and try to ignore it.

I wish Jagex didn't openly say it was acceptable, in the Q&A they should have been a bit more vague and highly discouraged it.


The thing is it's always been around but in other games. This is effectively two different games. I've known people who have quit and picked up WoW but traded their rs gold for WoW gold with people. Yeah that's probably against the rules but is still the same concept. Hard to police and has always happened through RuneScape, just with different games.

While I'm sure it did happen in the past with other games, it didn't happen anywhere near the scale of this.
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Well, personally, I see nothing wrong with it. I myself bought some 2007 gp at the start so I didnt have to scrape around to get started. The whole idea of a "fresh start" is player made, and not all players care about having a fresh start. Not all players care about seperation of servers. Some do, some don't. That does not make server to server trading evil, just because YOU do not like it. It's absolutely not rwt. You also need to be able to make gp on one of the servers, which is still runescape. It may not techically be the same game, but it's all runescape in the end.

I do, however, understand where people are coming from that do not like it. At the same time, I see nothing wrong with it.

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From a philosophical standpoint I'm for it. Personally, I wouldn't do it since I value my DIY'er aspect of 07 scape. Bannable? No. Too hard to track/enforce.

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Honestly if they are going to allow this they should've just restored players to what they had at server snapshot. Allowing this to happen just hurts the people who stopped playing in 07+ and have come back for ORS; which should be the target audience for jagex.

More importantly though, it opens the floodgates for people who rwt/dice/phish accounts to get an insurmountable lead and turn around and rwt again effictively doubling (easily) the value of their goods.
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Don't care as long as the exchange rate means it will take the same amount of time to make 07 gp by playing eoc as just straight playing 07. I don't want to be forced to trade eoc gold just to compete in 07.

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