Wkw Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Alright, then lets rename the task to "Ring Thing" and list the description as "something to do with that bloody dungeon ring" and the requirements as "lvl... oh, i don't know, but you need a ring, of sorts!" and make the hint as "DON'T USE IT ON THE VOLCANO JUST THINK OF THE CONSEQUENCES WHAT DID IT EVER TO DO YOU TOO?? THE VOLCANO ISN'T DEMONHEIM SO IT WON'T WORK" Runescape player since 2005 Ego Sum Deus Quo Malum Caligo et Barathum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoko Kurama Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 So you need 1 tier 10 ring? I have never gotten a tier 10 ring despite my love of dungeoneering because the tier 10 are so expensive for such a minor increase. I have some 4 million spare tokens, so I guess I could do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share Posted September 2, 2013 This is why I wish we got another ring/points reset. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I don't even see why there was remotely any confusion at all about the ring task; was pretty obvious it meant a full upgraded ring and not 12 fully upgraded rings. Especially seeing as it is 323k tokens for a single ring at max; aka 3.23m dg xp and they explicitly said it would not require over 99 and doing all 12 would need over 38m xp for the tokens. Even using sinkholes I don't think its possible to get all them tokens and not hit 99. 1 Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezkaton Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Sounds like this month will have something interesting enough for me to come back for a while, especially since Divination was as dull as Livid Farm and kinda killed my enthusiasm slightly again. 2 Reacting impulsively and saying what's on your mind feels oh so good.. for a little, until you realize you just started WWIII.2672nd person to reach 2496 total.Thanks to Wicked for the awesome siggy :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxpprod Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I don't even see why there was remotely any confusion at all about the ring task; was pretty obvious it meant a full upgraded ring and not 12 fully upgraded rings. Especially seeing as it is 323k tokens for a single ring at max; aka 3.23m dg xp and they explicitly said it would not require over 99 and doing all 12 would need over 38m xp for the tokens. Even using sinkholes I don't think its possible to get all them tokens and not hit 99. Because it said fully upgraded ring, not fully upgraded ring class, which can easily (and obviously has been) interpreted to mean all twelve EVEN WITH the "no 99+" clarifier. A minor issue re: wording sure, however it obviously has affected the perception of the statement of a number of people (enough as to require a JMad response). [bleep] OFF HOW ARE U SO [bleep]ING LUCKY U PIECE OF [bleep]ING SHIT [bleep] [bleep] [wagon] MUNCHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I don't even see why there was remotely any confusion at all about the ring task; was pretty obvious it meant a full upgraded ring and not 12 fully upgraded rings. Especially seeing as it is 323k tokens for a single ring at max; aka 3.23m dg xp and they explicitly said it would not require over 99 and doing all 12 would need over 38m xp for the tokens. Even using sinkholes I don't think its possible to get all them tokens and not hit 99. Because it said fully upgraded ring, not fully upgraded ring class, which can easily (and obviously has been) interpreted to mean all twelve EVEN WITH the "no 99+" clarifier. A minor issue re: wording sure, however it obviously has affected the perception of the statement of a number of people (enough as to require a JMad response). And yet in the jagex wiki and in DGS etc etc terminology everyone uses terminology of having 'a berzeker ring' or 'a desperado ring' or 'your rings should be desperado and zerker' or 'working on their second ring' Just find it strange when our day-to-day language defines one customisation track as 'a ring' combined with the fact jagex clearly said it would not need over 99 that people randomly assumed 'a fully upgraded ring' would mean anything but a singular customisation track. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 Just find it strange when our day-to-day language defines one customisation track as 'a ring' combined with the fact jagex clearly said it would not need over 99 that people randomly assumed 'a fully upgraded ring' would mean anything but a singular customisation track.Even then, I'm not sure how many players with under 99 (Outside of big-name clans, at least) have fully upgraded a ring track. I was under the impression that chaotics were more of a priority. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Just find it strange when our day-to-day language defines one customisation track as 'a ring' combined with the fact jagex clearly said it would not need over 99 that people randomly assumed 'a fully upgraded ring' would mean anything but a singular customisation track.Even then, I'm not sure how many players with under 99 (Outside of big-name clans, at least) have fully upgraded a ring track. I was under the impression that chaotics were more of a priority. True, but what players do and what is strictly needed are not the same thing.And arguably it is doable even with chaotics 200k tokens for claws, 200k for staff 300k for ccbs = 7mil xpJust over 300k for a fully upgraded ring =~10mil xp for the basic chaotics + full ring. And of course if a player was to be optimal they'd opt for virtus over chaotic staff taking us down to ~8mil xp.But strictly speaking one can have a fully upgraded ring at around lvl 85. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 True, but what players do and what is strictly needed are not the same thing.And arguably it is doable even with chaotics 200k tokens for claws, 200k for staff 300k for ccbs = 7mil xpJust over 300k for a fully upgraded ring =~10mil xp for the basic chaotics + full ring. And of course if a player was to be optimal they'd opt for virtus over chaotic staff taking us down to ~8mil xp.But strictly speaking one can have a fully upgraded ring at around lvl 85.Now tell me how many players have actually done that, considering:- How often the optimal setup has changed, whether due to game updates or metagame changes. Offhand I can remember rapier (pre-eoc) to maul (pre-DW fix, pre-claws), to claws (current), and that's just game changes.- How easy it is to get DG experience without getting tokens- Potential replacements for lost chaotics- How limited your pool of tokens is prior to 100. There are a lot of rewards that players would rather get than a small ring boost.- Tokens spent *gasp* sub-optimally, for whatever reason. That's a thing people do, you know. If you're designing your game around an ideal that few people can actually achieve and leaving a relatively small amount of room for error, you're going to have a bad time. Especially when all purchases are final. That 3 million buffer goes away pretty quickly when one extra chaotic sets you back 2 million. 3 I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 They aren't designing the tasks to be probably for someone under 99.. I believe they just want to ensure its possible (in order for the "but tasks shouldn't be this difficult" crowd to be appeased) Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Yeah I don't see what your point is about whether or not people WILL do it below 99 that doesn't matter. The point is jagex has said no task will NEED 99 and it is perfectly possible to achieve a maxed ring below 99 thereby fulfilling their claim. It's not like anyone is claiming you WILL do the tasks below 99 or the task is to fill a ring before 99.The task is just to fill a ring.Jagex separately said no task will require 99 dg, and it is a fact you can do the ring under 99. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoko Kurama Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I have 130M Dungeoneering experience (the only skill I have wholeheartedly loved, and still love, and have found extremely engaging and fun throughout the years), and even I, with my spare 4 million tokens, don't have a fully-upgraded ring track. Why? Because they're useless, the last 2 levels or whatnot. You can bet that most people under 99 don't have a fully-upgraded ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 Yeah I don't see what your point is about whether or not people WILL do it below 99 that doesn't matter. The point is jagex has said no task will NEED 99 and it is perfectly possible to achieve a maxed ring below 99 thereby fulfilling their claim. It's not like anyone is claiming you WILL do the tasks below 99 or the task is to fill a ring before 99.The task is just to fill a ring.Jagex separately said no task will require 99 dg, and it is a fact you can do the ring under 99.I but what how it's like you didn't even read why There's a very simple point to it. Design your content around what people actually do, not what they could do under perfect circumstances. Perfect circumstances just don't happen. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoko Kurama Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Yeah I don't see what your point is about whether or not people WILL do it below 99 that doesn't matter. The point is jagex has said no task will NEED 99 and it is perfectly possible to achieve a maxed ring below 99 thereby fulfilling their claim. It's not like anyone is claiming you WILL do the tasks below 99 or the task is to fill a ring before 99.The task is just to fill a ring.Jagex separately said no task will require 99 dg, and it is a fact you can do the ring under 99.I but what how it's like you didn't even read why There's a very simple point to it. Design your content around what people actually do, not what they could do under perfect circumstances. Perfect circumstances just don't happen. This. It's also possible to get an untrimmed Slayer cape, but it doesn't happen very often. It's possible to get a fully-upgraded ring before 99, but it rarely happens. The de facto requirement for most people will be 99+. Not that this bothers me, but I can see why others might be bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaps Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I'm just glad I haven't used my ring reset yet. My highest ring is t6 since I don't really do DG all that much, so I'll probably just get the highest tier then reset my ring and get rewards tbh. There are so many more things that I need now outside of DG since EoC came out.For what it is worth: I just got 89 Dg, I have 1 chaotic and 100k tokens to spare. I've had to buy 2 ASN and I'm sure I've used tokens to make CR a lot cheaper to maintain while I was going for 99 melees at dag sentinals last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I still fail to see your point. Task are about doing EVERYTHING an area offers and fully upgrading a ring is party of that.And I fail to see how 'designing content around what players actually do' has anything to do with getting a ring below 99 or not. Fully upgrading the ring has no real level requirement beyond ~85 needed to do it (without sinkholes). The fact the task set can be done below 99 is neither here nor there in the design of that task, it's just an incidental fact the task set does not required max dg and can be done under 99. It's not like jagex designed the task set specifically to be done below 99 or aimed it players doing it all under 99, they pure and simply put in no requirements that strictly need you to exceed 99. Its your call whether you play a specific way to achieve that or whether you do wtf you want. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolarBearBlue Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 At this point, I don't think you are trying to see their point Sy... 1 "Goals dont have a deadline." -xxxgod quoting Lady Shahdie [slayer "Essentials"][click pic for main blog][click quote for mini blog][Worthwhile Auras] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I have tried but I just don't see any issue about designing to how people play in this matter.Jagex just made an off hand remark that you can do all the tasks below 99 and factually speaking it is possible to do so. So where's the issue?It can be done below 99 so the statement is valid, but there is nothing dictating that it has to be or that even most players will do as such. It's just a pure and simple statement of fact that it can be done below 99. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 We're not disputing whether the claim is possible, we're disputing whether the claim is reasonable. If you aren't getting that, you probably never will. :? 1 I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I get that you are talking about 'designed for how players play' and thus whether it is 'reasonable' but I still fail to see any issue. They didn't say it was designed to be done below 99, they didn't say they expected people to do it below 99 they just said nothing in the task set requires over 99. Regardless of whether average player style would get it before 99 or not or if its 'reasonable' or not; it's just a factual statement about the task set. Nothing requires you have to more than 99 to finish it. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I don't think 300k tokens is a big deal even for people with relatively low levels. It would have been a big deal when achievement diaries were released, but since Temple Trekking and Dominion Tower are part of task sets, 300k tokens is perfectly acceptable. Considering the xp rates on dungeoneering, and the high requirements in slower skills we've had (91 fishing with pie, 95 summoning), I think even level 105 tasks would be fine, if not level 113 tasks. Since potions are pretty powerful in dg, every other skill requirement (apart from summ/pray, which are spoken for in other sets) is basically in the high 80s and ~95 herblore, which is not high for an elite task set. Not to mention that we got a heads-up about the task, so people without tokens can easily finish the requirement before release. @Sy: It would be wisest to stop splitting hairs. Yes, we know it doesn't require 99. We also know that not many people below 99 dungeoneering already have the requirement. That's all we need to know, everything else is arguing for argument's sake. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoko Kurama Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I don't think 300k tokens is a big deal even for people with relatively low levels. It would have been a big deal when achievement diaries were released, but since Temple Trekking and Dominion Tower are part of task sets, 300k tokens is perfectly acceptable. Yes, I don't personally mind it. It's tame in comparison to Dominion Tower and Temple Trekking. Those were hellish, when I did them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 I don't think 300k tokens is a big deal even for people with relatively low levels. It would have been a big deal when achievement diaries were released, but since Temple Trekking and Dominion Tower are part of task sets, 300k tokens is perfectly acceptable. Considering the xp rates on dungeoneering, and the high requirements in slower skills we've had (91 fishing with pie, 95 summoning), I think even level 105 tasks would be fine, if not level 113 tasks. Since potions are pretty powerful in dg, every other skill requirement (apart from summ/pray, which are spoken for in other sets) is basically in the high 80s and ~95 herblore, which is not high for an elite task set.Believe me, I wouldn't have any problem with that requirement it if this was the case. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolarBearBlue Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I don't have a big problem with 300k odd tokens thou I never understood the reason for upgrading the ring. To my understanding it serves no real purpose post EOC now anyway. However, I do see it as a pita, Temple Trekking and Dominion Tower as well. I understand task are meant to introduce you to all the content available in an area but I think it's unreasonable to request players to completely finishing something like Dominion Tower or Temple Trekking because everyone is not going to like it. Yoko mentioned it was hell doing those task because he probably didn't like doing it or it took way too long to do. If Jagex had said level an trekker to 99 or unlock an reward from Dominion Tower, I think that would go over better because it exposes you to what there is in a reasonable way. It's leave it up to you as the player to if you want to continue doing this. But having a player max Temple trekking/Dominion Tower is really just mean because you are forcing player to engage in content they hate by way of an activity that's just suppose to show you what there is. It's almost as bad as Jagex not realizing some of it's content is dead and needs to be consolidated into other parts of the game that is alive. However, I also understand task like these are in the elite section that the average player may or may not do because of how they judge the elite rewards. Like I said, I don't have a problem per say, but I do understand the fuss. "Goals dont have a deadline." -xxxgod quoting Lady Shahdie [slayer "Essentials"][click pic for main blog][click quote for mini blog][Worthwhile Auras] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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