Behind the Scenes � September 2013

[Quyneax]

This looks like a good month. I do feel overload timers are overdue, but better late than never. Hard mode dungeoneering is perfect.

[Huge Noob]

Seems like (potentially) a good month. :D

[Yoko Kurama]

I concur on Vorago, it's already rather difficult, it should either be left alone or made somewhat easier. This is causing a rift between the combat triangle, with T90 melee being incredibly easy to get, whereas T90 mage stuff being as valuable as a Party Hat. Sort of ridiculous.

 

I like the OVL timer. However, I do wish it would go back to being 5 minutes per dose rather 1 death. it really sucks for PVP minigame areas where you have to resip cause you keep getting piled.

 

I am excited for the quest, however I do hope that it is a real GM quest, unlike the last few which, despite being fun quality wise, have been not been up to the magnificent standard for all GM quests that WGS and ROTM set. I was really hoping for a Zaros/Mahjarrat/TWW sequel quest, though.

[Estoc]

Hard mode dungeoneering is perfect.

 

Inb4 more monsters in guardian rooms + 10% extra xp.

 

 

I concur on Vorago, it's already rather difficult, it should either be left alone or made somewhat easier. This is causing a rift between the combat triangle, with T90 melee being incredibly easy to get, whereas T90 mage stuff being as valuable as a Party Hat. Sort of ridiculous.

 

Drop rate on wand and orb needs to be multiplied by at least 10 for starters. Having a 1/1000 droprate on a boss that takes 10-20 minutes to kill...what were they thinking?

[J35u5_M4]

I don't get why so

I think I'm gonna love this month

 

New Quest, New Task Set, Super Challenges sound fun, Graphics Redesigns, Vorago improvements and those timers on the buff bar that I always wanted?

 

Good month indeed.

 

Vorago sounds more like dis-improvements considering he's already such a long winded unrewarding pita to cause him to be under-fought and thus cause t90 mage gear to go up up up. Adding new attacks just seems as thought it'll make matters worse, unless of course they tuck in an overhauled drop table and removal of the only 5 ppl or w/e get drops

 

I don't know why so many people bash on Vorago, it's decent gp/h, if you get a team that'll split all cash from energies and such, and say a 6man team. And an average of 6 energies each kill, and 20 min each kill (Which is way too much). It's 3m/h for everyone from energies alone. Not includying the funfuns, the possible wand/orb, and well the supplies which would bring that down a bit, but I guess the regular drops could cover for supplies

 

Vorago is productive if you have a perm team, but given that a) it is difficult to coordinate one and b) in teams that small you'll have a significant kill failure rate, Nex and KK end up being better for money for most players. I say this as someone who has done 200+ vorago kills.

 

I too have killed a lot of Voragoes, went almost 3 weeks straight with 7-8+ hrs daily of it, and the 7mans we did, we didn't have that much of a failure ratio, (Only did like 2 6mans cause people were lazy)

[Wkw]

I don't get why so

I think I'm gonna love this month

 

New Quest, New Task Set, Super Challenges sound fun, Graphics Redesigns, Vorago improvements and those timers on the buff bar that I always wanted?

 

Good month indeed.

 

Vorago sounds more like dis-improvements considering he's already such a long winded unrewarding pita to cause him to be under-fought and thus cause t90 mage gear to go up up up. Adding new attacks just seems as thought it'll make matters worse, unless of course they tuck in an overhauled drop table and removal of the only 5 ppl or w/e get drops

 

I don't know why so many people bash on Vorago, it's decent gp/h, if you get a team that'll split all cash from energies and such, and say a 6man team. And an average of 6 energies each kill, and 20 min each kill (Which is way too much). It's 3m/h for everyone from energies alone. Not includying the funfuns, the possible wand/orb, and well the supplies which would bring that down a bit, but I guess the regular drops could cover for supplies

 

Vorago is productive if you have a perm team, but given that a) it is difficult to coordinate one and b) in teams that small you'll have a significant kill failure rate, Nex and KK end up being better for money for most players. I say this as someone who has done 200+ vorago kills.

 

I too have killed a lot of Voragoes, went almost 3 weeks straight with 7-8+ hrs daily of it, and the 7mans we did, we didn't have that much of a failure ratio, (Only did like 2 6mans cause people were lazy)

How many wands or urbs?

[Tim]

Anyone else noticed the "3 Dragon Weapons" part?

 

We knew about the (crappy) throwing axes, so what else would they toss in?

[Quyneax]

Dragon warhammer, I'm sure, and javelins/shortswords/hastas are also missing. They may also add a dragon maul as companion to the spear and 2h sword, as there is currently no 2h crush weapon.

[Ammako]

Dragon shortsword and Dragon hastae.

[JeRambo]

How are we getting the superhero challenges? Wasn't it supposed to start today?

[J35u5_M4]

Our team I consider ourselves to be extremely unlucky, 2 orbs and 1 wand (The team got 1 more orb but I wasn't in that kill)

[Ammako]

How are we getting the superhero challenges? Wasn't it supposed to start today?

Today is August 31st in Jagex time.

[Urza285]

How are we getting the superhero challenges? Wasn't it supposed to start today?

No one more day to go then it starts.

[Kaur]

How are we getting the superhero challenges? Wasn't it supposed to start today?

 

From the looks of it, the BTS article was posted couple days too early by some triggerhappy jmod.

[ilovecuttingyews]

Or on Friday so that the weekend crew didn't have to post it.

[Sy_Accursed]

So with the dwarf quest confirmed to bring 3 dragon weapons what do we think they will be?

 

Throwing Axes is confirmed from a while back, which leaves two more from:

 

Dragon shortswords

Dragon warhammers

Dragon hastae

Dragon knives

Dragon javelins

Dragon brutal arrows

 

Personally I'd say brutal arrows and hasta won't ever happen since both items only exist via player smithing and we can't really smith dragon.

Concept art of Javelins and knives have been seen in a BTS vid so they could be possible; would also make a logical 'set' to do all 3 missing thrown weapons in 1.

 

But part of me feels like it'll be the melee two, or just the shortswords since mh and oh could count as 2.

[Urza285]

It's probably going to be dragon javelins, mh knives and oh knives even though the community sees only two objects here.

[Yoko Kurama]

I completely forgot this bit from the BTS:

 

Two super challenges will have hiscore tables, lasting one week each. 'Farmyard Rampage' and 'Bulldog' will allow you to complete their requirements as many times as you like, with supreme superheroes being featured on a seasonal hiscore table. At the end of the week, the top 1000 on that table will be rewarded with a gold version of the superhero outfit!

 

Great. Now we can have thousands of more players incentivized to toil away like zombies to get under the 1k ranks, as if this sort of self-destructive competition wasn't rampant enough already. During a school month, at that. And of course people will still be yelling from the top of the lungs that Jagex has nothing to do with this sort of obsessive behavior on the part of players. Is Jagex not compassionate and merciful? Cretins.

[Bxpprod]

I completely forgot this bit from the BTS:

 

Two super challenges will have hiscore tables, lasting one week each. 'Farmyard Rampage' and 'Bulldog' will allow you to complete their requirements as many times as you like, with supreme superheroes being featured on a seasonal hiscore table. At the end of the week, the top 1000 on that table will be rewarded with a gold version of the superhero outfit!

 

Great. Now we can have thousands of more players incentivized to toil away like zombies to get under the 1k ranks, as if this sort of self-destructive competition wasn't rampant enough already. During a school month, at that. And of course people will still be yelling from the top of the lungs that Jagex has nothing to do with this sort of obsessive behavior on the part of players. Is Jagex not compassionate and merciful? Cretins.

 

 

Jagex's first priority is making money, which pretty much necessitates keeping people in. Why would "compassion" and "mercy" be used when it could potentially hurt the bottom line. And do you think it's a coincidence that it's Super-"firstmonthoutofNorthernSummer"? Bonus xp weeks falling just of out Winter and Summer (interchangeable based on hemisphere), not at all similar.

[Kaur]

Great. Now we can have thousands of more players incentivized to toil away like zombies to get under the 1k ranks, as if this sort of self-destructive competition wasn't rampant enough already. During a school month, at that. And of course people will still be yelling from the top of the lungs that Jagex has nothing to do with this sort of obsessive behavior on the part of players. Is Jagex not compassionate and merciful? Cretins.

Well, they gave us an alternative. Either grind yourself to top1000 OR complete every single one of the 30 daily tasks. Shouldn't take too much effort either way.

[Yoko Kurama]

 

Jagex's first priority is making money, which pretty much necessitates keeping people in. Why would "compassion" and "mercy" be used when it could potentially hurt the bottom line. And do you think it's a coincidence that it's Super-"firstmonthoutofNorthernSummer"? Bonus xp weeks falling just of out Winter and Summer (interchangeable based on hemisphere), not at all similar.

 

They can still make the same money if not more by not doing this. The players that this is targetted at are the hardcore base, and they are going to be playing RS no matter what happens. The only question is "how long per day, or how, will they play?". If there's a race like this, they might play 18-22 hours per day as they did during Divination. If there isn't, then they probably won't play that long for no reason. They will still be paying members, they simply won't be playing obsessively. This isn't even necessary for profits, it's just shortsighted recklessness. So, no, it won't be hurting the bottom line.

 

And I fully realize that people in the 'bottom line business' are not concerned about compassion or mercy. I was simply sarcastically making this point clear for others who still labor under that delusion and think that Jagex acts responsibly.

[Sylpheed]

I completely forgot this bit from the BTS:

 

Two super challenges will have hiscore tables, lasting one week each. 'Farmyard Rampage' and 'Bulldog' will allow you to complete their requirements as many times as you like, with supreme superheroes being featured on a seasonal hiscore table. At the end of the week, the top 1000 on that table will be rewarded with a gold version of the superhero outfit!

 

Great. Now we can have thousands of more players incentivized to toil away like zombies to get under the 1k ranks, as if this sort of self-destructive competition wasn't rampant enough already. During a school month, at that. And of course people will still be yelling from the top of the lungs that Jagex has nothing to do with this sort of obsessive behavior on the part of players. Is Jagex not compassionate and merciful? Cretins.

 

Boy, for a company you detest so much you still have no qualms with playing their game. Some would call that hypocrisy.

 

In the end, you're just the same as every person who tries to misconstrue opinion as fact. If people don't follow your reasoning, then they are clearly still being brainwashed by Jagex.

[V O R K]

So the winner of the BoL takes over the crater and turns it into a giant temple? I'm not sure who I want to win now, they both look pretty badass.

 

More saradominist boring churches

 

:(

[Yoko Kurama]

Boy, for a company you detest so much you still have no qualms with playing their game. Some would call that hypocrisy.

 

Probably the sort of people who haven't the faintest of clue what hypocrisy actually entails and would rather use it as a buzzword. There is a difference between the game and the current regime. There is absolutely no hypocrisy at all in trying to change an institution while working from within. It would only be hypocritical if I had ever stated that people should quit the game, while playing it myself, but I have done no such thing. There are certain things I like, and others which I dislike. Neither aspect dilutes the other: there are things which I rather like about Jagex and others which I don't.

 

 

In the end, you're just the same as every person who tries to misconstrue opinion as fact. If people don't follow your reasoning, then they are clearly still being brainwashed by Jagex.

 

A complete straw man. I have never presented any normative statements of mine as fact. I have my subjective opinions on the game and the company, and I often present them here, and I am willing to argue for my positions and defend them. That's not the same thing as portraying them to be fact. And I have never claimed something as vulgar as "Jagex brainwashes people". You seem to be desperately trying to grasp at fictitious straws in order to score points against me ("You're a hypocrite! You act as if your opinion is fact!")

[Jeffery]

Off hand and main hand hasta for corp please.... I CAN HOPE!