Danyo Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Apperently in rs vampires are not affected by crumble undead. when you try to cast it on them, it says "This spell only affects zombies, skeletons, ghosts, and shades". Are vampires not undead? I came across this because it gave me this message when i tried to use crumble undead on dessous. I then tried it on other vampires in morytania and got the same result. In my opinion, this needs to be fixed. "How you act when no one is looking is the clearest indicator of the strength or depravity of your true character. " yeah, he's deffinetly a little excited...dont worry its not a glitch...d legs are meant to stretch in that area for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighs Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 I agree, but I think that Jagex was always aware of this and never tried to fix it. Ghouls should probably be affected too, although I don't know if they're techincally undead. Afflicted, Undead Ones, Souless, and others are also not affected to my knowledge. Maybe Jagex just wanted the spell to only have a function that could be listed in the spell menu? That makes it a bit simpler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made0f12une Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 This was probably never fixed considering that was on of the first ever spells in runescape. WHen runescape advanced and Jagex started adding all these new "undead" members the crumble undead spell probably slipped thier thoughts and vanished long ago Wouldnt be a bad idea to inform them about this, that is a classic spell, dates back ages ^^ClicK^^"I backed my car into a cop car the other dayWell he just drove off sometimes life's ok...Alright already we'll all float onAlright don't worry we'll all float on" - Isaac BrockDays Hunting:4 - Kingly Imps Caught:2Money Earned: 4.5-5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern53 Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 True, i is from Classic. They could always just say "Hits Undead monsters hard" in the menu. Thet'd rule over Afllicted, Aberrent Specters, Vampires, the Barrows brothers (probably not, yet again they are ghosts), maybe Ghouls, and the zombie monkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodveld Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 the Barrows brothers (probably not, yet again they are ghosts)It would never work on the barrows ghosts, not because they are ghosts, but for the exact same reason that one amulet (the one that hits hard on undead) doesn't. Barrows is already easy enough, and the rewards already greatly outway the risks, they don't want to make it too easy. (otherwise they would never have removed blocking. [yes, I know it was a bug from the start.]) :^_^: I drew that smilie, btw, along with a few more used by this site.Classic bloodveld for lyph3! Although I do like the new ones.Like a ninja, here I was, gone I am now.BUT! I may be back! Add my new account, Dr Bloodveld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varda Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Apperently in rs vampires are not affected by crumble undead. when you try to cast it on them, it says "This spell only affects zombies, skeletons, ghosts, and shades". Are vampires not undead? I came across this because it gave me this message when i tried to use crumble undead on dessous. I then tried it on other vampires in morytania and got the same result. In my opinion, this needs to be fixed. Vampires are immortal. Like, they are bitten, but they haven't died. So they are just... Immortal. Or was I too confusing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soma2035 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Monsters that should be undead: Zombies Ghosts Skeletons Lord dessouss Vampires Lord Draynor Ghouls Banshees Barrow ghosts All those are undead... and many others too. Crumble undead really isn't very...umm...complete. Want to learn to Nex? The Nex Hunters are recruiting! Click for more information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reich1337 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 In Dracula (The book that pretty much started vampires) they are described as "The Undead" so yes.....they are :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 However, if you wear a Saradomin symbol, you weaken the vampire. Not sure if having garlic will also give you a benefit. Crumble undead is great, especially with the slayer staff. Level 80 skeletons beware. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooferfish Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Monsters that should be undead: Zombies Ghosts Skeletons Lord dessouss Vampires Lord Draynor Ghouls Banshees Barrow ghosts All those are undead... and many others too. Crumble undead really isn't very...umm...complete. Lesser Demon is..a.. DEMON. If you are gonna put lesserd in there, you need all the other demons, greaters and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varda Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory Vampire. At least, Bathory. She was know to be... eh.. blooddrinker? And she wasn't dead at her time :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minishcap92 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Monsters that should be undead: Zombies Ghosts Skeletons Lord dessouss Vampires Lord Draynor Ghouls Banshees Barrow ghosts All those are undead... and many others too. Crumble undead really isn't very...umm...complete. Ghouls are not undead, at least Chaeldar said so. Used to play RS, not anymore. WoW pwns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddfaery2 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 What I find most humorous is that the spell wouldn't work on Aberrent Spectres (at least last I checked... has been a while). Spectre is just another word for ghost... lol Proud to have gotten 1800 skill total before access to fishing guild Why make a house when you can rob one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwrm22 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 i had that with tree spirits... spirit = gost = death? ^^ click my sig for my lesser ranging guide ^^jwrm22: 4816th > 99 cooking 100% f2p !1172 total! + 140mil in items.i dont play anymore... i think rs is ruined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Bogs Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I agree, but I think that Jagex was always aware of this and never tried to fix it. Ghouls should probably be affected too, although I don't know if they're techincally undead. Afflicted, Undead Ones, Souless, and others are also not affected to my knowledge. Ghouls are very much alive (to my knowledge they just eat the dead), and Afflicted are, well, afflicted, but not dead. As for vampires, to my knowledge they live in a state of un-life, so I'd consider them pretty undead. Plus, if it's the case in D&D it should always be :P Then again, fantasy rules aren't set in stone so jagex could just do whatever the hell they want as long as they're consistent. Even though having Undead Ones not being undead takes things a little far :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy87 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 What I find most humorous is that the spell wouldn't work on Aberrent Spectres (at least last I checked... has been a while). Spectre is just another word for ghost... lol crumble works on them odd, try it . urza saw me do a few while attempting to show him the safe spot still worked(i didnt get the abbernat lined up properly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigmarkiller Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 In Dracula (The book that pretty much started vampires) they are described as "The Undead" so yes.....they are :? actually they are called nosferatu :o and they never died, they just got bitten by another vampire, making them immortal so they arent undead to me :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urza1488 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I pmed jagex, they said barrows, vampires, etc. are NOT undead. Just VERY OLD! :lol: Urza. The One. The Legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spongehead91 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Slayer masters say that ghouls aren't undead if you have a ghoul assignment. The only thing I'm wondering is why it doesn't work on banshees or aberrant specters, or undead ones. I've stopped playing RuneScape. KoL's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Depends on ur definition of Undead Many fanatsy dictionaries list undead as "living forms of a dead human" Since afflicted, souless shade aren't previously dead or of humans they wouldn;t count And vampires in some mythologies aren't undead, they are simple a different race close to humans Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melikepie Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I pmed jagex, they said barrows, vampires, etc. are NOT undead. Just VERY OLD! :lol: wait then why do the barrows brothers have graves? in the crumbling tomb it describes their death that would make them undead Barrows drops to date: ahrim's skirt, hood and top x 5. Dharoks legs top x 2 and helm. Guthan's legs and plate. torags plate x 2. verc's flail skirt brassard x 2. karil's x bow coif and top 1st d drop 03/03/06 d med in barrows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodveld Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I pmed jagex, they said barrows, vampires, etc. are NOT undead. Just VERY OLD! :lol: wait then why do the barrows brothers have graves? in the crumbling tomb it describes their death that would make them undeadIf jagex really did say that, its obviously just a more minor mod making an excuse to why it doesn't work, without simply telling the truth that it would make barrows waaaay too easy. :^_^: I drew that smilie, btw, along with a few more used by this site.Classic bloodveld for lyph3! Although I do like the new ones.Like a ninja, here I was, gone I am now.BUT! I may be back! Add my new account, Dr Bloodveld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Bogs Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Depends on ur definition of Undead Many fanatsy dictionaries list undead as "living forms of a dead human" Since afflicted, souless shade aren't previously dead or of humans they wouldn;t count And vampires in some mythologies aren't undead, they are simple a different race close to humans Things without a soul are dead, soulless humanlike beings would be classified as undead, then. Shades examines as "The angry dead" or something among those lines which makes them pretty undead as well :P As for Barrows, an excuse, yes, but seeing as everyone and their mother uses Slayer Dart anyway, it doesn't really seem to have anything to do with difficulty, since Crumble doesn't hit as hard as Dart does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Depends on ur definition of Undead Many fanatsy dictionaries list undead as "living forms of a dead human" Since afflicted, souless shade aren't previously dead or of humans they wouldn;t count And vampires in some mythologies aren't undead, they are simple a different race close to humans Things without a soul are dead, soulless humanlike beings would be classified as undead, then. Shades examines as "The angry dead" or something among those lines which makes them pretty undead as well :P As for Barrows, an excuse, yes, but seeing as everyone and their mother uses Slayer Dart anyway, it doesn't really seem to have anything to do with difficulty, since Crumble doesn't hit as hard as Dart does. wrong - the skooling tht use the definitions I gave calls not having soul as a half life. its not undead - they nvr died, but they r not alive Also shades - no evidence for them being linked to humans, hence my theory works for all but barrows Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danyo Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 sorry about never posting back, but i got caught up in the second have of desert treasure and then went to sleep, but I'm happy that this comment has brought about this polite of discussion. (Unlike what happens in some threads...) And by the way, thanks for all the info. "How you act when no one is looking is the clearest indicator of the strength or depravity of your true character. " yeah, he's deffinetly a little excited...dont worry its not a glitch...d legs are meant to stretch in that area for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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