Apperently in rs vampires are not affected by crumble undead. when you try to cast it on them, it says "This spell only affects zombies, skeletons, ghosts, and shades". Are vampires not undead?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I came across this because it gave me this message when i tried to use crumble undead on dessous. I then tried it on other vampires in morytania and got the same result. In my opinion, this needs to be fixed.

I agree, but I think that Jagex was always aware of this and never tried to fix it. Ghouls should probably be affected too, although I don't know if they're techincally undead. Afflicted, Undead Ones, Souless, and others are also not affected to my knowledge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe Jagex just wanted the spell to only have a function that could be listed in the spell menu? That makes it a bit simpler.

This was probably never fixed considering that was on of the first ever spells in runescape. WHen runescape advanced and Jagex started adding all these new "undead" members the crumble undead spell probably slipped thier thoughts and vanished long ago

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wouldnt be a bad idea to inform them about this, that is a classic spell, dates back ages

True, i is from Classic. They could always just say "Hits Undead monsters hard" in the menu. Thet'd rule over Afllicted, Aberrent Specters, Vampires, the Barrows brothers (probably not, yet again they are ghosts), maybe Ghouls, and the zombie monkeys.

the Barrows brothers (probably not, yet again they are ghosts)

It would never work on the barrows ghosts, not because they are ghosts, but for the exact same reason that one amulet (the one that hits hard on undead) doesn't. Barrows is already easy enough, and the rewards already greatly outway the risks, they don't want to make it too easy. (otherwise they would never have removed blocking. [yes, I know it was a bug from the start.])

Apperently in rs vampires are not affected by crumble undead. when you try to cast it on them, it says "This spell only affects zombies, skeletons, ghosts, and shades". Are vampires not undead?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I came across this because it gave me this message when i tried to use crumble undead on dessous. I then tried it on other vampires in morytania and got the same result. In my opinion, this needs to be fixed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vampires are immortal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like, they are bitten, but they haven't died. So they are just... Immortal. Or was I too confusing?

Monsters that should be undead:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zombies

 

 

 

Ghosts

 

 

 

Skeletons

 

 

 

Lord dessouss

 

 

 

Vampires

 

 

 

Lord Draynor

 

 

 

Ghouls

 

 

 

Banshees

 

 

 

Barrow ghosts

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All those are undead... and many others too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crumble undead really isn't very...umm...complete.

In Dracula (The book that pretty much started vampires) they are described as "The Undead" so yes.....they are :?

However, if you wear a Saradomin symbol, you weaken the vampire. Not sure if having garlic will also give you a benefit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crumble undead is great, especially with the slayer staff. Level 80 skeletons beware.

Monsters that should be undead:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zombies

 

 

 

Ghosts

 

 

 

Skeletons

 

 

 

Lord dessouss

 

 

 

Vampires

 

 

 

Lord Draynor

 

 

 

Ghouls

 

 

 

Banshees

 

 

 

Barrow ghosts

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All those are undead... and many others too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crumble undead really isn't very...umm...complete.

 

 

 

Lesser Demon is..a.. DEMON. If you are gonna put lesserd in there, you need all the other demons, greaters and all that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vampire. At least, Bathory. She was know to be... eh.. blooddrinker? And she wasn't dead at her time :P

Monsters that should be undead:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zombies

 

 

 

Ghosts

 

 

 

Skeletons

 

 

 

Lord dessouss

 

 

 

Vampires

 

 

 

Lord Draynor

 

 

 

Ghouls

 

 

 

Banshees

 

 

 

Barrow ghosts

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All those are undead... and many others too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crumble undead really isn't very...umm...complete.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ghouls are not undead, at least Chaeldar said so.

What I find most humorous is that the spell wouldn't work on Aberrent Spectres (at least last I checked... has been a while).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spectre is just another word for ghost... lol

i had that with tree spirits... spirit = gost = death?

I agree, but I think that Jagex was always aware of this and never tried to fix it. Ghouls should probably be affected too, although I don't know if they're techincally undead. Afflicted, Undead Ones, Souless, and others are also not affected to my knowledge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ghouls are very much alive (to my knowledge they just eat the dead), and Afflicted are, well, afflicted, but not dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for vampires, to my knowledge they live in a state of un-life, so I'd consider them pretty undead. Plus, if it's the case in D&D it should always be :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then again, fantasy rules aren't set in stone so jagex could just do whatever the hell they want as long as they're consistent. Even though having Undead Ones not being undead takes things a little far :lol:

What I find most humorous is that the spell wouldn't work on Aberrent Spectres (at least last I checked... has been a while).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spectre is just another word for ghost... lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

crumble works on them odd, try it . urza saw me do a few while attempting to show him the safe spot still worked(i didnt get the abbernat lined up properly)

In Dracula (The book that pretty much started vampires) they are described as "The Undead" so yes.....they are :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

actually they are called nosferatu :o

 

 

 

and they never died, they just got bitten by another vampire, making them immortal

 

 

 

so they arent undead to me :)

I pmed jagex, they said barrows, vampires, etc. are NOT undead. Just VERY OLD! :lol:

Slayer masters say that ghouls aren't undead if you have a ghoul assignment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing I'm wondering is why it doesn't work on banshees or aberrant specters, or undead ones.

Depends on ur definition of Undead

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many fanatsy dictionaries list undead as

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"living forms of a dead human"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since afflicted, souless shade aren't previously dead or of humans they wouldn;t count

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And vampires in some mythologies aren't undead, they are simple a different race close to humans

I pmed jagex, they said barrows, vampires, etc. are NOT undead. Just VERY OLD! :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wait then why do the barrows brothers have graves? in the crumbling tomb it describes their death that would make them undead

 

I pmed jagex, they said barrows, vampires, etc. are NOT undead. Just VERY OLD! :lol:

 

 

 

wait then why do the barrows brothers have graves? in the crumbling tomb it describes their death that would make them undead

If jagex really did say that, its obviously just a more minor mod making an excuse to why it doesn't work, without simply telling the truth that it would make barrows waaaay too easy.

Depends on ur definition of Undead

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many fanatsy dictionaries list undead as

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"living forms of a dead human"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since afflicted, souless shade aren't previously dead or of humans they wouldn;t count

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And vampires in some mythologies aren't undead, they are simple a different race close to humans

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Things without a soul are dead, soulless humanlike beings would be classified as undead, then. Shades examines as "The angry dead" or something among those lines which makes them pretty undead as well :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for Barrows, an excuse, yes, but seeing as everyone and their mother uses Slayer Dart anyway, it doesn't really seem to have anything to do with difficulty, since Crumble doesn't hit as hard as Dart does.

 

Depends on ur definition of Undead

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many fanatsy dictionaries list undead as

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"living forms of a dead human"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since afflicted, souless shade aren't previously dead or of humans they wouldn;t count

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And vampires in some mythologies aren't undead, they are simple a different race close to humans

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Things without a soul are dead, soulless humanlike beings would be classified as undead, then. Shades examines as "The angry dead" or something among those lines which makes them pretty undead as well :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for Barrows, an excuse, yes, but seeing as everyone and their mother uses Slayer Dart anyway, it doesn't really seem to have anything to do with difficulty, since Crumble doesn't hit as hard as Dart does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wrong - the skooling tht use the definitions I gave calls not having soul as a half life. its not undead - they nvr died, but they r not alive

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also shades - no evidence for them being linked to humans, hence my theory works for all but barrows

sorry about never posting back, but i got caught up in the second have of desert treasure and then went to sleep, but I'm happy that this comment has brought about this polite of discussion. (Unlike what happens in some threads...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And by the way, thanks for all the info.