Jagex update: Fansites obsolete?

[Bloodveld]

 

Anyone know where this can is?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol, I got's ta go kill some bloodvelds on the can... :lol:

Bloodvelds have to use the bathroom too :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly though, it just looks like the page just hasn't finished loading.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could someone take a screeny of the barrows page? I'm still in school and would like to see it ;)

[007007008plp]

 

 

 

Quit making stupid excuses for them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quit making stupid posts dissing jagex!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

like i said earlier THEY ARE HUMAN....HUMANS are NOT perfect, unless your the remarkable exception??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They could of left the KB behind closed doors until they had perfected it...but they didn't they released a BETA version, which is bound to have SMALL mistakes!!! So what if its their own product?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think about how many people work for jagex...alot, now think of the different job areas jagex have. Some people work on ingame content, some on website content, some with CS....etc etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a chance that when the people dealing with web conent** ask for information about the actual game that the info might be not 100% correct. Theres bound to be communication problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also going back to they ARE HUMAN thing...they make mistakes... they make TYPO's. Send them feedback help them out and stop being a prat....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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** oh look i made a mistake! so sue me!!!!!!

[spooferfish]

Here is a pic of the top of the barrows page:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It then does that for each set.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm seeing one good thing about this: what Pirkka said, some of the questions we couldn't be sure for the answer on. (but really, how many are there, with our great info getters here at Tip.It.) Blah, I want a real update :(

[Lime_Mercury]

Maybe you're just not comprehending what I'm saying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Never once did I suggest their KB assembled itself. What I DID say is all the information is there at their fingure tips. All they need to do is research their own product.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quit making stupid excuses for them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Boy, you really are a jerk, aren't you? There are quests and items created by people who are no longer even employed there!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Without digging through game code, or testing and retesting just like we're doing, there is no way whatsoever to get all the information down to the letter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Each person on the squad works with different things. What you're expecting is to go to each person on staff, ask them what they've created, how it works, what it's for, and then put that all into the knowledgebase.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your alternative is to have each programmer try and compile their own pieces of the knowledgebase and have them mesh together by a final person. Either way, the information is not "at their finguretips [sp]" as you so claim.

[bigmoneyak]

No. Yes it is the official jagex knowledge database but it is far from complete and has many things that are incorrect.

 

 

 

For example, there is probally alot more:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slayer drop monster lists are incomplete. I got harpie swarms and other unlisted monsters from Shilo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It says you need to have completed drgon slayer to get into the champions guild. Not true, You need an amount of quest points. I haven't done dragon slayer and get in there just fine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

since they can't give us complete information, Fansites the likes of Tip.it will always be superior.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is unless they give in like they did when ME2 came out and hold back information from us becasue JAGEX asked them too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We need an independant site to give us unbiased information. If fansitesfold becasue of this I would be very afraid.

[Y2g2003]

 

 

 

Without digging through game code, or testing and retesting just like we're doing, there is no way whatsoever to get all the information down to the letter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whether you like the fact or not. The information IS at their fingure tips.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You have no clue as to what type of documentation of the game they have. Even if they didn't keep a log, they can still log on for simple things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mostly all the stuff that has been added is simple and basic information. So no... I'm not a jerk... you're just ignorant of the facts... if you wanna look at it that way... lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm probably being a little too hard on them, but thats just me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I find funny is... half you morons were probably totally against RS2 even being released so many years ago. Years ago when I came to Jagex's defense. Now, the roles have changed. I find that funny and amusing (probably because I was right then, and probably am now).

[venedlor]

The real reason why Jagex will never be able to get rid of fan sights, is, because people who visit the fan sights and post on the forums form a family of sorts. Just brows the first page here and you will find at least one good example of two people coming together and achieving a goal. In the RS forums there is so much spam and flaming that I just gave up on them. All I ever did was browse and never posted. I would never trust any one on the RS forums with cabbage let alone going to the KQ to get a dragon chane. Here at least I post rarely :lol: :P .

 

 

 

In addition, no mater how hard they try jagex will never be able to brake up this family of RuneScape fans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Venedlor

[007007008plp]

Y2g give us proof that it is 'at their finger tips'...you can't. Same goes for us, we can't proove that it isn't either so this debate is piontless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im going with the good old they are only human and they might have fat fingers and hit one too many keys while typing theory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The real reason why JagEx will never be able to get rid of fan sights is becaus people who visit the fansights and post on the forums form a family of sorts. just brows the first page here and you will find at least one example of two people coming to gether and acheving goals. In the RS forums there is so much spam and flaming that I just gave up on them all I ever did was brouse and never posted. Here at leest i post once in a blue moon :lol: :P .

 

 

 

And no mater how hard they try jagex will never be able to brake up this family of RuneScape fans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Venedlor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats just it though...they arn't tryng to do that at all.... :roll:

[007007008plp]

DP sorry

[Y2g2003]

Y2g give us proof that it is 'at their finger tips'...you can't. Same goes for us, we can't proove that it isn't either so this debate is piontless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im going with the good old they are only human and they might have fat fingers and hit one too many keys while typing theory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have the game... do they not??? Lol... yeah, out of gas there, friend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Don't hate me for this, I just need a good arguement every once in awhile. lol)

[Lime_Mercury]

I'm probably being a little too hard on them, but thats just me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I find funny is... half you morons were probably totally against RS2 even being released so many years ago. Years ago when I came to Jagex's defense. Now, the roles have changed. I find that funny and amusing (probably because I was right then, and probably am now).

 

 

 

The fact is that that to anyone other than a coder the information that is supposedly at their fingers looks like jibberish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You come off speaking as if its a bad thing they did this at all. This may not be your intent. The KB doesn't have intrusive ads, it doesn't take ages to load, or cause lag ingame on my computer, it's got great pictures, a ton of information (not anything I'd use, most likely), and it's more likely to keep newbies from being misled or scammed at other sites.

[007007008plp]

 

Y2g give us proof that it is 'at their finger tips'...you can't. Same goes for us, we can't proove that it isn't either so this debate is piontless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im going with the good old they are only human and they might have fat fingers and hit one too many keys while typing theory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have the game... do they not??? Lol... yeah, out of gas there, friend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Don't hate me for this, I just need a good arguement every once in awhile. lol)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HERE WE HAVE THE WEBSITE CONTENT NOOBS (they don't contribute to game content, therefore don't know much/or as much about the game as the game content noobs)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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HERE WE HAVE THE GAME CONTENT NOOBS (they contribute to game content and know more about whats in the game than the web content noobs)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The info needs to come from the GCN to the WCN...along the way the info might get chanced slightly or mis-inturpritated. Or the nooobs at WCN might have fat fingers and make silly typos.

[Evrae]

I would just like to say that we have two possible reasons to moan about them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Case 1) They cant get their facts right about the game they run and have the info 'at their fingertips' for

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Case 2) They dont have the information, because its hidden in the game code. Thats even worse, since it means they havent kept comprehensive notes on everything they've done. That would be really bad for a company of tht size.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think we have a right to moan about the more basic things. Having said that, it is in BETA.

[venedlor]

Y2g give us proof that it is 'at their finger tips'...you can't. Same goes for us, we can't proove that it isn't either so this debate is piontless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im going with the good old they are only human and they might have fat fingers and hit one too many keys while typing theory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The real reason why JagEx will never be able to get rid of fan sights is becaus people who visit the fansights and post on the forums form a family of sorts. just brows the first page here and you will find at least one example of two people coming to gether and acheving goals. In the RS forums there is so much spam and flaming that I just gave up on them all I ever did was brouse and never posted. Here at leest i post once in a blue moon :lol: :P .

 

 

 

And no mater how hard they try jagex will never be able to brake up this family of RuneScape fans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Venedlor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats just it though...they arn't tryng to do that at all.... :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How do you know?? Are you a spy from jagex?? :shock: :P

 

 

 

Over dramtic? Yes. A thought? Yes. Is jagex really doing that? Mabby.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do have some good points on why Jagex will never make fan sights a thing of the past.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Venedlor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S.

 

 

 

Can not spell obsoleat.

[Y2g2003]

 

I'm probably being a little too hard on them, but thats just me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I find funny is... half you morons were probably totally against RS2 even being released so many years ago. Years ago when I came to Jagex's defense. Now, the roles have changed. I find that funny and amusing (probably because I was right then, and probably am now).

 

 

 

The fact is that that to anyone other than a coder the information that is supposedly at their fingers looks like jibberish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You come off speaking as if its a bad thing they did this at all. This may not be your intent. The KB doesn't have intrusive ads, it doesn't take ages to load, or cause lag ingame on my computer, it's got great pictures, a ton of information (not anything I'd use, most likely), and it's more likely to keep newbies from being misled or scammed at other sites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol, no, I just picked this topic to argue about. Like I said, I need a good arguement every once in awhile. I don't care for Jagex that much, but that has nothing to do with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They're just mirroring Fan sites, which I agree and disagree with. I understand why their doing it, but I doubt it will help. They wont keep the KB up to date, newer players after its release wont know of it in order to access it (because they wont continue promoting it). The cons just seem to outweigh the pros.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The information is inaccurate (I was simply ribbing them for that). I just find it funny that I say that they are out of touch with their game, and they continue to prove me right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The info is openly available to them though... whether you want to admit that or not really doesn't matter to me. Some of the mistakes they made are things they could have looked up in game. And it seems to me that their CS responses in the past reflect that they don't use the game itself as a personal tool for themselves and to answer key CS querys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The main problem here is, CS wont be improving with this KB. Thats the entire purpose of this KB... and that in itself will make the KB a failure and pointless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would just like to say that we have two possible reasons to moan about them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Case 1) They cant get their facts right about the game they run and have the info 'at their fingertips' for

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Case 2) They dont have the information, because its hidden in the game code. Thats even worse, since it means they havent kept comprehensive notes on everything they've done. That would be really bad for a company of tht size.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you, which is the point I was trying to get through to some of these people.

[007007008plp]

 

 

 

I would just like to say that we have two possible reasons to moan about them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Case 1) They cant get their facts right about the game they run and have the info 'at their fingertips' for

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Case 2) They dont have the information, because its hidden in the game code. Thats even worse, since it means they havent kept comprehensive notes on everything they've done. That would be really bad for a company of tht size.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you, which is the point I was trying to get through to some of these people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like i said the info ISN'T at the website conent teams finger tips....they gotta get it from the game content team. :roll:

[Y2g2003]

 

 

 

 

I would just like to say that we have two possible reasons to moan about them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Case 1) They cant get their facts right about the game they run and have the info 'at their fingertips' for

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Case 2) They dont have the information, because its hidden in the game code. Thats even worse, since it means they havent kept comprehensive notes on everything they've done. That would be really bad for a company of tht size.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you, which is the point I was trying to get through to some of these people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like i said the info ISN'T at the website conent teams finger tips....they gotta get it from the game content team. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which admist your jibberish I didn't see.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And what you said is complete bull anyways. They can log in and get some of the info (obviously not all of it). So your statement is only a half truth really. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Not only that, but web content doesn't even compile the info, based on what you're saying. Game content compiles the info THEN passes it down to Web Content. So you just gave yourself up there. Game content HAS the info at their fingure tips. Therefore they have no excuses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice try.

[Lep]

I love this new thing, granted it doesnt say all the stats and doesnt have guides like tip.it does, and we can't really advertise tip.it in game without getting banned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But hopefully, the newbs who don't use forums, won't beg as much and ask so many questions, because they have a little guide of there own. I've even seen lvl 100s+ who don't use forums and act like they're lvl 60... :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's a pic I found in there manual, I found it funny :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dracion1]

Pah, they have the xp values, but we have the calulators and skill planners.

[Evrae]

Sorry if i didnt make myself clear. If case 1 doesn't apply, then case two will.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You dont need to speak to the game designers if proper notes have been made. If the haven't been made, case 2 applies

[Kiara_Kat]

Before this gets out of hand, I'd like to comment. We're not planning on going anywhere, folks. So for those of you that keep saying this will kill us, rest assured that it won't. Period.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There will always be a need for a "third party" source of information. If you don't have fansites, where does that leave the players? With only ONE source of information, written by the people that run the game. In the business world, that's called a monopoly. Businesses that don't have any competition can do whatever they like, including including providing little or no customer service. Where else is a client supposed to go for his whatever-it-is if there's only one company that makes it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you see, everyone just needs to take a deep breath and calm down. We're not going anywhere, and I doubt the other major fansites will go anywhere either. We will continue to provide you with an alternate source of reliable, useful information, whether Jagex has a knowledge base or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Kiara

[007007008plp]

 

 

 

Which admist your jibberish I didn't see.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And what you said is complete bull anyways. They can log in and get some of the info (obviously not all of it). So your statement is only a half truth really. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Not only that, but web content doesn't even compile the info, based on what you're saying. Game content compiles the info THEN passes it down to Web Content. So you just gave yourself up there. Game content HAS the info at their fingure tips. Therefore they have no excuses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice try.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So based on your statement my statement wouldn't of been/isn't 'Complete' bull.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Baah cheap i know im just scraping the barrel with all the energy i have left.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

None of us know for sure how jagex work and what goes on at jagex and how they do things...so basicaly we both can't say sh**....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Y2g2003]

Kiara, you're slightly right, but slightly wrong as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All a fan site can do is provide information. Yous can't provide customer support directly with the game. If that would be the case... yous probably would of had a lot of people banned for using Swift Switch. Yous would've had to literally contact Jagex and inform them of such offenses to even get someone banned (whether yous do that or not is beyond me).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fan sites have no direct connection to the game itself. The only way that would be possible is if yous would have a server that hosts the game (which probably wont ever happen). All the fan site is, is a medium for people that have the intrest in the game to go to and arrange events.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, but you came off as if you were actually directly part of the product. You are, but in an indirect way. And don't take offense to that please. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Baah cheap i know im just scraping the barrel with all the energy i have left.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for finally admitting that you're out of gas (officially).

[gonzlar]

Wow... It looks like Jagex ripped this whole site and added a search tool bar... guess thats why its a "beta" :shock:

 

 

 

I mean... Check out there guides and look how grossly similar they are towards tip.it's guides and articles. My best example is the abyss guide... Notice how their map outlines the exact same "safety route" that your guide has outlined months previous. However i guess you can't shout plagarism since it IS their game... Jagex seem to be smarter than your average Web based game developer...

[Pirkka]

I really think that Jagex can just look at the source and find out the information that they need. At least they can find it much easier than we do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After looking through the database, I have learned quite a few new things. Also, it's a nice place to check some item stats etc. when you really need to know them. However I don't like the way Jagex spoils almost everything about their game from fastest routes to almost every other bit of info. These shouldn't be on the games homesite IMHO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, this doesn't really change anything for me. I'll keep writing quest guides, at least they're not on Jagex Database.