Do you believe in magic?

[Bubsa]

Do you? What I mean by magic is something extraordinary, that cannot be explained. In that case, you can argue there are plenty of magical things, the creation of life (religious or Big Bang) and the universe perhaps, but enough of that.

 

 

 

But do you ever think to yourself; there's more to life than what are senses would have us believe? Do miracles really occur? Are their 'invisible forces' working all around us?

 

 

 

I'm not a religious man, nor an educated man, for that matter, but I believe. I can't explain it, or understand it, but I don't want to. I accept these beautiful things for what they are, for the way they make like so precious. On a star-filled, moonlit night, I'll wish upon a star. I know, it can be said I'm wishing to OB-75376, a gassy ball of fire burning billions of lightyears away in the Orion constillation, but I'll still do it. Why? Because somewhere I hope, no I believe, my wish will be heard. Is that a case for religious creation? I don't know.

 

 

 

People are the most magical things of all. The special people who have the ability to know what you're thinking, can always make you happy, whether a God-given gift or what have you, there's something magical about that.

 

 

 

So, am I the only hopeless romantic here, or can some of you relate to my incoherent rambling? Either way, as it makes me feel fuzzy inside, I won't stop believing. (:

[Tigra00]

There is no such thing as magic. There is only the Ninja.

 

 

 

*vanish*

[Lionheart_0]

*casts magic missle at the darkness* yes there is magic >.>

 

 

 

Seriously no, preatty much i belive that everything happens by chance and most things can be explained scientificly... although, may not be magic, but i belive in nature :anxious: kinda in a druidic way, and i feel that the planet is alive, no joke (No im not a hippie, technology and nature can live together).

[knives669]

Yes. I believe in magic. ^_^

 

 

 

I have wished upon a star before... well... many times.

 

 

 

I'm not a religious person either but I do believe that there are invisible forces in this world that guide the way things work... that can't be explained... I think that miracles do occur. It's easy to see that in people, and nature... (especially flowers... they're so amazingly beautiful ^_^)

[Giordano]

Nope. Everything has a reason to it. Just because something is unexplanable doesn't mean its magic. It means we haven't discovered why it happens.

 

Take it to the study of atoms. At first, in BC, the things that are air, water, fire, etc., couldn't be explained, so they left it as it is. Then some guy said everything was made of atoms, little 'building blocks'. Centuries later we know this is a fact.

 

Currently we may not know what makes the mysteries of life, perhaps later on we may discover it, or not know forever.

[mad4u689]

Sometimes I wish I could... but I just don't.

 

 

 

I suppose I think that literature and film can be magical, sort of. Well... maybe I do believe a little bit in magic on some level... being a huge fan of Peter Pan, I would never say "I don't believe in faeries" :x In fact, after reading it, I clapped, just in case :oops:

 

 

 

Gosh, I love Peter Pan :D

[Pete_the_Viscous]

I let myself believe all kinds of crazy things, as long as it doesn't impare my judgement in (even slightly) important matters. I like to use my imagination, and I'm not particularly bothered by letting it run wild every now and then. I suppose the short answer, then is "no" -- in that I don't believe in any one thing more than any other thing, without any evidence either way; I'm just imagining things to be one way over another until I see some reason to think otherwise.

 

 

 

...about things not being able to be explained: yes and no. I do believe that there are things that I can't explain, and things that no one can explain, which are, in effect, inexplicable. ...by you and I*: I do believe they happen for a reason -- and by reason I just mean "this happened which caused that to happen"; I don't mean it to connote any sort of intent on someone's part there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*no slight on your own explanatory skillz intended.

[Bubsa]

Thanks for the comments guys, it's really interesting to see how people think. I'm glad we're all respecting everyone's beliefs here.

 

 

 

I agree with Pete that I can't let it cloud my judgement. I won't see something and immediately think "z0mg magic!", but then again, it won't always be using it as a last resort to explain the unexplicable.

 

 

 

I love Mad's comment about literature etc. can be magical. I whole heartedly agree. It's the creativity of the people which writes it, and the wondrous element in the way it can unite all kinds of different people.

[insane]

I'm with you Bubsa, but in a "religious" way (who'd of thought :P).

[Oy_the_Great]

Well, there are a few things in life that I just can't understand, ever. People can give me reasonable explanations about historical facts and evolution, and I'm convinced that most of them are correct, like how the evolution theory explains the existence of mankind, the planets etc.

 

But what I just don't understand is the following:

 

If you accept the fact that you do not reincarnate, there was nothing of you before you were 'created' by your parents, i.e. the collision between the sperm and the egg-cell. Now, I am here, because I am doing something, typing this message. So are you, because you're reading this. That means we exist, we are. But if that is true, what were we before? One might say we are trillions of atoms, that form different parts of our body, that work together, strange as it may be. But that can be explained through Darwin's evolution theory; we've evolved to what we are now.

 

What I don't get, however, is that we absolutely did not exist one year before our birth. How can it be that I was nothing (except for perhaps a few proteins that would become sperm cells and the egg-cell that's already present the moment our mother was born) 21 years ago?

 

I can think, I can move, I can do everything a normal 19-year old boy can do. I can't imagine that I just 'evolved' out of nothing into an embryo. That's what I call magic; the non-existence of the mind-part of myself. This is something that's mind-boggling to me; I can't imagine my mind not being there. That's probably the reason why so many people believe in a spirit, that's captured in a body. Well, I hope it can be true, it would mean we're immortal.

[Sennin_Koth]

I beleive that Magic at one point may have existed.

 

Plenty of things and happenings on this Earth from the

 

past tend to point to bigger miracles, or perhaps Magic.

 

If it did exist, it would be my best guess that through

 

war, and the human inability to cope with those who are different;

 

(kind of like the whole x-men thing) We lost the ability to use Magic.

 

Could it ever come back? Who knows? There is no way to be sure.

 

All we can do is beleive I suppose. :pray:

[Faux]

By magic as in magic tricks? No. By real magic, I don't know. If it does exist, it's plausible for people to keep it a secret. How else can you keep a secret forever unless it's by a secret-binding spell? :wink:

[apinagez]

I believe magic is something mankind created to explain the beauty in the world. It exists as that: an adjective.

[Evadek]

sounds like too much runescape if you ask me

[deloriagod]

So, am I the only hopeless romantic here, or can some of you relate to my incoherent rambling? Either way, as it makes me feel fuzzy inside, I won't stop believing. (:

 

 

 

 

 

Well, you're not the only hopeless romantic here, but I can't relate to your incoherent rambling.. Magic just seems like something in books, movies, and video games to me.

[FrankyBrown]

Well I believe there's a perfect someone for everyone who just fits you perfectly if that makes sense? :oops: Like you share all the same little habits and stuff? :?

[pianofrieak2]

Well, there are a few things in life that I just can't understand, ever. People can give me reasonable explanations about historical facts and evolution, and I'm convinced that most of them are correct, like how the evolution theory explains the existence of mankind, the planets etc.

 

But what I just don't understand is the following:

 

If you accept the fact that you do not reincarnate, there was nothing of you before you were 'created' by your parents, i.e. the collision between the sperm and the egg-cell. Now, I am here, because I am doing something, typing this message. So are you, because you're reading this. That means we exist, we are. But if that is true, what were we before? One might say we are trillions of atoms, that form different parts of our body, that work together, strange as it may be. But that can be explained through Darwin's evolution theory; we've evolved to what we are now.

 

What I don't get, however, is that we absolutely did not exist one year before our birth. How can it be that I was nothing (except for perhaps a few proteins that would become sperm cells and the egg-cell that's already present the moment our mother was born) 21 years ago?

 

I can think, I can move, I can do everything a normal 19-year old boy can do. I can't imagine that I just 'evolved' out of nothing into an embryo. That's what I call magic; the non-existence of the mind-part of myself. This is something that's mind-boggling to me; I can't imagine my mind not being there. That's probably the reason why so many people believe in a spirit, that's captured in a body. Well, I hope it can be true, it would mean we're immortal.

 

 

 

Oy, I love reading your stuff. You're so insightful at times! I would have to say that much of that is from the Christian perspective but that's beside the point.

 

 

 

I agree with Bubsa in thinking that the magical force behind the universe is real, but I think it is part of our inherent longing for heaven. To be one with the magical force behind the universe. C.S. Lewis mentioned it, and while I'm not at all an artist or anything of the sort, it's inspiring to hear of those who are.

 

 

 

Anyone read Angels and Demons by Dan Brown? There's a great quote that's like 1-2 pages where the Camerlengo is talking to the press about the battle between science and religion. One part that stood out to me is this:

 

 

 

And all the while, you proclaim the church is ignorant. But who is more ignorant? The man who cannot define lightning, or the man who does not respect its awesome power? ...

 

Show me proof there is a God, you say. I say use your telescopes to look to the heavens, and tell me how there could not be a God!" The camerlengo had tears in his eyes now. "You ask what does God look like. I say, where did that question come from? The answers are one and the same. Do you not see God in your science? How can you miss Him! You proclaim that even the slightest change in the force of gravity or the weight of an atom would have rendered our universe a lifeless mist rather than our magnificent sea of heavenly bodies, and yet you fail to see God's hand in this? Is it really so much easier to believe that we simply chose the right card from a deck of billions? have we become so spiritually bankrupt that we would rather believe in mathematical impossiblity than in a power greater than us?"

 

 

 

Now I do not agree with much of Dan Brown, but he had some terrific insights into the battle between science and religion. Anyway, just a few of my thoughts on the matter.

[Astralinre]

I believe in the magical, in the miraculous. I believe that if miracles exist at all, then everything that exists is a miracle. So many simple things can inspire such wonder - looking into a baby's eyes, gazing up at the stars, reading a story with which you truly identify, hearing a moving song, walking in the woods, or watching a fearsome storm.

 

 

 

I would say that not only is the inexplicable miraculous, but also the understood. I know that music is composed of a series of varying soundwaves, but that doesn't diminish the beauty of a song. I know that tree leaves change colors because chlorophyll breaks down, but I still feel wonder at walking in the woods in autumn. I know that DNA is the building block of life, yet a child has a value far beyond his or her genetic makeup.

 

 

 

The magic lies not in a thing's inexplicability, nor in our ability to understand it. To me, how something works is not the miracle. That it does work is the miracle. Why should a few nucleic acids determine how a person looks? Why should chemicals breaking down produce stunning displays of color? Why should a few noises in a certain sequence produce such emotion in me?

 

 

 

The answer? They're miracles. Special works of God. Everything, from a smile, to a storm, to how a cell works, to how a brain works, to how a river system works, to stories, to music, to an ant colony, to love - everything, no matter how common or incomprehensible - is a miracle.

 

 

 

There's not one square inch of this universe that isn't magic; God created it all. The more I study that creation, and the more I understand of how it works, the greater wonder it inspires in me. If the creation is this wonderful, how much more so the Creator!

[insane]

Astra, that was one of the most inspiring posts I think I've ever read :D!

 

 

 

Just today, I was out for a run. I went to the end of the pier (that runs into Lake Ontario), and by the time I got to the end, there was a sunset, with every colour in the spectrum over the lake. There were small ripples all across the lake from the wake from the motorboats. The water was reflecting the colour of the sunset, and the lake ran into a beach, which ran into a treeline. In the opposite direction, over the harbour - was a perfectly clear night sky, with stars, and, a full moon - peeking through the treeline and shining on the sailboats in the harbour.

 

On one side - sunset, on the other side - starry sky and full moon. Sailboats, beach, pier, and trees all around :)

 

It's a sweet coincidence I came home to this thread after!

[drk_killer]

i believe in magic and in god.

 

magic is forbidden in my religion because its basicly worshipping the devil.

 

 

 

i belive in god because http://www.islamcan.com/miracles/index.shtml

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.miraclesofislam.com/

 

 

 

and when i read the Qur'an it says so many things about god, science and a lot of these things are what science is proving just now, but the Qur'an is telling you this 1400 years ago where people thought the world was flat but in the qur'an it says its round.i will add some quotes later.

[gonpost]

Magic is simply a synonym for anyone's god or religion.

 

 

 

It's all a complete mystery to which, up to this point, has never been shown to truly exist.

 

 

 

I won't even start. I'll walk away. Oh it's hard. Oh boy. I'm walking...away....far....away...

 

 

 

Anyway....the thing that I cannot understand is why must people attribute something of special beauty/magnificence/awe to some bigger-than-life source? Can't you just see that maybe, just maybe, something so amazing as that object can be created or exist without any of those miracles, magic, or w/e it may be?

[Lionheart_0]

Magic is simply a synonym for anyone's god or religion.

 

 

 

It's all a complete mystery to which, up to this point, has never been shown to truly exist.

 

 

 

I won't even start. I'll walk away. Oh it's hard. Oh boy. I'm walking...away....far....away...

 

 

 

Anyway....the thing that I cannot understand is why must people attribute something of special beauty/magnificence/awe to some bigger-than-life source? Can't you just see that maybe, just maybe, something so amazing as that object can be created or exist without any of those miracles, magic, or w/e it may be?

 

Because people feel that everything must answer the Why question. People just cant let things be, and see that the world is built on chance, not on magic.

 

 

 

Also chance is not a thing in peoples favour, it can go against them, not just with them. Its the fear that creats these non wordly things. Just like the boggy man :ohnoes:

[gonpost]

 

Because people feel that everything must answer the Why question. People just cant let things be, and see that the world is built on chance, not on magic.

 

 

 

Also chance is not a thing in peoples favour, it can go against them, not just with them. Its the fear that creats these non wordly things. Just like the boggy man :ohnoes:

 

 

 

You sound like a true quantum phycisist.

 

 

 

As for the why question, I would like to say that the word "why" is probably the most amazing, complex thought that man has ever had as an entire species.

 

 

 

I'd just like to give one point of view... My view on the why question is to simply be happy in life. I know what I would like in order to be satisfied, and I'm well on my way to achieving it (materialistically, anyway). The accumulation of wisdom and knowledge is also a much more fulfilling endeavor than people give it credit for. It only ever makes the why question larger, however, with a deeper understanding comes a deeper appreciation of everything around you. And let me tell you, THAT is truly satisfying.

 

 

 

Oh, and drk_killer, one of the chief goals in life (according to the qu'ran), besides worshipping Allah is to seek Ilm, that is, knowledge and wisdom. Since you seem interested in it, I just thought I'd point that out.

[Lionheart_0]

:? I ment more along the questions of "Why do we exist..." and why do things happen when they seem either terrible or excellent. People search their whole lives for the first one, and most never find anything. Wouldnt it be eaiser if there was no why, and that "We exist".

 

 

 

And for the the second, maybe people should stop asking why it happened, and look at what happend, see what will hapen because of it.

[BenBru]

Magic is for noobs. :wink: