So My Views Aren't Right?

[insane]

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

 

 

 

It is impossible for something to come from nothing. All the remains is that it was created. No matter how improbable, it must be the truth.

 

the big bang is not impossible untill its proven impossible. So far scientists have "fossil" evidence and evidence of all sorts proving the big bang to be real, its just not 100% certain. Wikipedia for more.

 

 

 

You missed the point - Xplsv was talking about prior to the Big Bang. It is impossible for the matter/energy required for the Big Bang to come from nothing. Thus, it remains that it was created from something else. Whatever that something else is, remains up in the air at the moment - but, his point stands.

[How2PK]

Tsk, tsk. We're getting off topic people. Besides, this should be in the rants forum. :')

[Guest XplsvBam]

Tsk, tsk. We're getting off topic people. Besides, this should be in the rants forum. :')

Off Topic is for rants :P. The Rants page is for rants involving runescape.

[How2PK]

Oh, my bad. I always thought it was for both type of rants. As I was quite sure I've seen some non-runescape related rants there in the past. Still off topic though.

[malo2]

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

 

 

 

It is impossible for something to come from nothing. All the remains is that it was created. No matter how improbable, it must be the truth.

 

the big bang is not impossible untill its proven impossible. So far scientists have "fossil" evidence and evidence of all sorts proving the big bang to be real, its just not 100% certain. Wikipedia for more.

 

 

 

You missed the point - Xplsv was talking about prior to the Big Bang. It is impossible for the matter/energy required for the Big Bang to come from nothing. Thus, it remains that it was created from something else. Whatever that something else is, remains up in the air at the moment - but, his point stands.

I didnt miss the point, I know what hes talking about, and like I said, its not impossible until proven so.

 

 

 

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

 

 

 

It is impossible for something to come from nothing. All the remains is that it was created. No matter how improbable, it must be the truth.

 

the big bang is not impossible untill its proven impossible. So far scientists have "fossil" evidence and evidence of all sorts proving the big bang to be real, its just not 100% certain. Wikipedia for more.

The Big Bang Theory- Single point infinitely small and infinitely massive. Since it is impossible for anything in our universe to be 1-dimensional the Big Bang Theory is false.

infinitely small? I had the impression it had a 1 inch 3 demensional diameter.. *goes to wikipedia*

 

 

 

o well I cant find anything on its size, but whoever is right, like I said, its not impossible untill proven so.

[Guest XplsvBam]

 

The Big Bang Theory- Single point infinitely small and infinitely massive. Since it is impossible for anything in our universe to be 1-dimensional the Big Bang Theory is false.

infinitely small? I had the impression it had a 1 inch 3 demensional diameter.. *goes to wikipedia*

 

 

 

o well I cant find anything on its size, but whoever is right, like I said, its not impossible untill proven so.

I got this picture from wikipedia

 

If you don't even know about singularity why are you trying to back up The Big Bang theory? Another funny thing about singularity is it states that it has infinite curviture. That means its impossible for anything to escape. Even if that single point did exist it wouldn't be able to get out and have the big bang.

 

 

 

Since nothing in the universe effects empty space scientists can't prove that singularity is plausible or even possible. (This is were the fifth dimension comes into play. Which is completely and utterly a THEORY)

[thedepressedsquirrel]

 

Precisely what I believe. You believe in the Big Bang? That's cool, I believe in the Big Bang too

 

Again, the Bible is not a science textbook; so don't put it against a science textbook - it's like comparing apples and oranges

 

 

 

Unfortunately, most Christians don't agree with you (especially on your last sentence). No offense, but you are in the fringe of your religion.

 

 

 

Also, I like cartoons a lot more than I like reading so here is what my next paragraph would have been about:

 

 

 

[logic-is-overrated]

I still don't understand why everyone thinks it's science versus religion :?

 

 

 

The Bible = revelation about God.

 

Science = truths about the natural world.

 

 

 

How are these two relevant in any manner?

The Bible says the Earth was created before the sun. Mainstream science todays says it's actually the opposite. The Bible says there was fully functioning fruit trees before the sun. Mainstream science says there had to be a sun before there was plants and trees. According to the Bible, man has been on Earth for about 6000 years and the world is a little over 6000 years old. Mainstream science says the world is billions of years old and humans are hundreds of thousands of years old (I think hundreds of thousand. I might be wrong on that but either way it's way older than 6000 years). According to the Bible, man entered the world by God creating him. Mainstream science says that man entered the world through years and years of evolution. There's a ton more major discrepancies between the Bible and mainstream science but I think you get the point. The fact that science and the Bible differ on major aspects of the christians faith pretty much makes the choice out to be you either accept what scientists say or what the Bible says.

[Guest XplsvBam]

I still don't understand why everyone thinks it's science versus religion :?

 

 

 

The Bible = revelation about God.

 

Science = truths about the natural world.

 

 

 

How are these two relevant in any manner?

The Bible says the Earth was created before the sun. Mainstream science todays says it's actually the opposite. The Bible says there was fully functioning fruit trees before the sun. Mainstream science says there had to be a sun before there was plants and trees. According to the Bible, man has been on Earth for about 6000 years and the world is a little over 6000 years old. Mainstream science says the world is billions of years old and humans are hundreds of thousands of years old (I think hundreds of thousand. I might be wrong on that but either way it's way older than 6000 years). According to the Bible, man entered the world by God creating him. Mainstream science says that man entered the world through years and years of evolution. There's a ton more major discrepancies between the Bible and mainstream science but I think you get the point. The fact that science and the Bible differ on major aspects of the christians faith pretty much makes the choice out to be you either accept what scientists say or what the Bible says.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkenss was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

 

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning - the first day.

 

 

 

God didn't make vegatation till the third day.

[wakka102]

I still don't understand why everyone thinks it's science versus religion :?

 

 

 

The Bible = revelation about God.

 

Science = truths about the natural world.

 

 

 

How are these two relevant in any manner?

The Bible says the Earth was created before the sun. Mainstream science todays says it's actually the opposite. The Bible says there was fully functioning fruit trees before the sun. Mainstream science says there had to be a sun before there was plants and trees. According to the Bible, man has been on Earth for about 6000 years and the world is a little over 6000 years old. Mainstream science says the world is billions of years old and humans are hundreds of thousands of years old (I think hundreds of thousand. I might be wrong on that but either way it's way older than 6000 years). According to the Bible, man entered the world by God creating him. Mainstream science says that man entered the world through years and years of evolution. There's a ton more major discrepancies between the Bible and mainstream science but I think you get the point. The fact that science and the Bible differ on major aspects of the christians faith pretty much makes the choice out to be you either accept what scientists say or what the Bible says.

fruit trees existing before the sun? :lol:

[logic-is-overrated]

God didn't make vegatation till the third day.

And God didn't make the "Great Lights" as in the sun and the moon until the fourth day.

[bjbj1991]

God didn't make vegatation till the third day.

And God didn't make the "Great Lights" as in the sun and the moon until the fourth day.

 

They lived in a desert over 3,000 years ago, how where they suppost to know that plants cant live without light? Atleast they knew that animals ate plants so they came after them :lol: . [sarcasm]And everyone knows that the bacterial kingdoms apeared when adam ate the apple because there couldn't have been death before.

[Notorious_Ice]

It all comes down to if you want to believe in scientific theories based on proven facts.

 

 

 

Or stories involving someone walking on water, curing people and that theres a "better place" based on a few events which were true, but still had nothing to do with the stories.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone who believes without a doubt there is a god can you explain this?

 

 

 

The ancient greeks, egyptions etc invented gods to explain things which they couldnt explain because they did not have the technology or know the science. Their god zues threw lightning, but we now know how lightning occurs. If they knew how it really happened back then they wouldnt have invented zues.

 

 

 

So what makes you think that this "modern god" is real, even though the ancient gods werent? What makes you think years from now science will be able to prove how the universe was made and everyone will think back and say

 

"phhhtt, why would people back then believe that rubbish? We know what really happened now"

[wakka102]

It all comes down to if you want to believe in scientific theories based on proven facts.

 

 

 

Or stories involving someone walking on water, curing people and that theres a "better place" based on a few events which were true, but still had nothing to do with the stories.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone who believes without a doubt there is a god can you explain this?

 

 

 

The ancient greeks, egyptions etc invented gods to explain things which they couldnt explain because they did not have the technology or know the science. Their god zues threw lightning, but we now know how lightning occurs. If they knew how it really happened back then they wouldnt have invented zues.

 

 

 

So what makes you think that this "modern god" is real, even though the ancient gods werent? What makes you think years from now science will be able to prove how the universe was made and everyone will think back and say

 

"phhhtt, why would people back then believe that rubbish? We know what really happened now"

well put mate :D

[Evilperson]

I still don't understand why everyone thinks it's science versus religion :?

 

 

 

The Bible = revelation about God.

 

Science = truths about the natural world.

 

 

 

How are these two relevant in any manner?

 

 

 

How are they relevant? Well they contradict each other back to last tuesday.

 

 

 

And to put the topic back on subject: The people who doubted your (*the author) beliefs were probably christians. And as someone said the number one turn off about christians is it is BELIEVE IN GOD OR GO TO HELL.

[kido14]

 

My only problem is sometimes that Christians do not arm themselves enough spiritually. They are not prepared to walk the line. As the saying goes...they can talk the talk, but can they walk the walk?

 

 

 

Personally, I think the number one turnoff from Christianity is that we are too pushy.

 

 

 

How do you suggest people do this though? I'm actually interested in what I can do to help defend my faith to the better, so if you have any good ideas PM me or something. But I've had a lot of debates about Christianity and religion, and I defend my faith to the best of my ability, but it usually isn't enough. I look things up on the internet, and sometimes that helps, but people have soooo many different theological views about certain things in the Bible, I have a hard time weeding out the good stuff from the bad stuff. I think in college, if there is one available, I would like to try to take some kind of apologetics class.

 

 

 

Agreed. That and a lot of people think Christians are hypocrites. That's because they met a few like that, and labled all Christians to be the same, I think. I would get more in depth about this, but I think I would offend certain types of Christians.

[Astralinre]

 

My only problem is sometimes that Christians do not arm themselves enough spiritually. They are not prepared to walk the line. As the saying goes...they can talk the talk, but can they walk the walk?

 

 

 

Personally, I think the number one turnoff from Christianity is that we are too pushy.

 

 

 

How do you suggest people do this though? I'm actually interested in what I can do to help defend my faith to the better, so if you have any good ideas PM me or something. But I've had a lot of debates about Christianity and religion, and I defend my faith to the best of my ability, but it usually isn't enough. I look things up on the internet, and sometimes that helps, but people have soooo many different theological views about certain things in the Bible, I have a hard time weeding out the good stuff from the bad stuff. I think in college, if there is one available, I would like to try to take some kind of apologetics class.

 

 

 

Agreed. That and a lot of people think Christians are hypocrites. That's because they met a few like that, and labled all Christians to be the same, I think. I would get more in depth about this, but I think I would offend certain types of Christians.

 

 

 

Nothing wrong with offending other Christians. The Bible teaches that we are supposed to confront other believers if they are in the wrong. You might as well say it.

[Nadril]

Ok so I'm wondering if anyone else has this kind of problem. I hate talking about religion with people face to face. Nobody ever seems to accept my views and only sees theirs as correct. I personally don't believe in 'God' (although I have come to accept the idea that there may be a 'God' and I would fully believe if I saw some evidence to prove it), I don't belive in an after-life, ect.. When ever someone starts talking about religion I try to keep my mouth shut but someone always has to drag me into it. I tell them what I think (religion was invented by humanity to give them hope) and I just get shot down and everyone has to give me the religious version of how the Earth was created (I'm all for the 'Big Bang' theory). I hate when people try to tell me that evolution is crap when it explains how we came to be here (in a way I can easily understand) and religion (as far as I've found) doesn't really explain how humanity came to be in a logical sense (I mean c'mon, did we just pop up one day? If anyone can explain how religion says we came to be that would be great..).

 

 

 

Ok, glad I got this off my chest.. I'm just so pissed off about how many people dismiss my beliefs and force theirs down my throat..

 

 

 

Now I've got to figure out how this is going to effect me and the girl I like (she believes in 'God', goes to church, ect.).. But don't mind this statement..

 

 

 

The bold is what I think as well. I'm sort of borderline on beliving in god, and I pretty much do, but I realy don't belive in the bible.

[wakka102]

Ok so I'm wondering if anyone else has this kind of problem. I hate talking about religion with people face to face. Nobody ever seems to accept my views and only sees theirs as correct. I personally don't believe in 'God' (although I have come to accept the idea that there may be a 'God' and I would fully believe if I saw some evidence to prove it), I don't belive in an after-life, ect.. When ever someone starts talking about religion I try to keep my mouth shut but someone always has to drag me into it. I tell them what I think (religion was invented by humanity to give them hope) and I just get shot down and everyone has to give me the religious version of how the Earth was created (I'm all for the 'Big Bang' theory). I hate when people try to tell me that evolution is crap when it explains how we came to be here (in a way I can easily understand) and religion (as far as I've found) doesn't really explain how humanity came to be in a logical sense (I mean c'mon, did we just pop up one day? If anyone can explain how religion says we came to be that would be great..).

 

 

 

Ok, glad I got this off my chest.. I'm just so pissed off about how many people dismiss my beliefs and force theirs down my throat..

 

 

 

Now I've got to figure out how this is going to effect me and the girl I like (she believes in 'God', goes to church, ect.).. But don't mind this statement..

 

 

 

The bold is what I think as well. I'm sort of borderline on beliving in god, and I pretty much do, but I realy don't belive in the bible.

wait, so you believe in god but not in religion? I thought they were sorta along the same wavelength..

[bjbj1991]

wait, so you believe in god but not in religion? I thought they were sorta along the same wavelength..

 

They are not. Religion is the asumption that man recieves special treatment from a god and has made himself known to man with a prophet like Muhammad and Jesus. The concept of a god comes from the idea that a higher power controls the Universe and/or humans. The 2 concepts are not dependent on the other but are usualy related due to the popularity of some religions like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism that involve both god(s) and religion.

[Guest XplsvBam]

God didn't make vegatation till the third day.

And God didn't make the "Great Lights" as in the sun and the moon until the fourth day.

Light existed before vegatation so solar rays could have very well also existed. Since God created the vegatation it didn't need light. And if there were no solar rays till the fourth day the vegatation could live a day without it.

 

I still don't understand why everyone thinks it's science versus religion :?

 

 

 

The Bible = revelation about God.

 

Science = truths about the natural world.

 

 

 

How are these two relevant in any manner?

 

 

 

How are they relevant? Well they contradict each other back to last tuesday.

 

 

 

Where in the bible does it contradict truths about the natural world? And where in a science book talking about truths about our natural world does it contradict the bible?

 

 

 

 

Anyone who believes without a doubt there is a god can you explain this?

 

 

 

The ancient greeks, egyptions etc invented gods to explain things which they couldnt explain because they did not have the technology or know the science. Their god zues threw lightning, but we now know how lightning occurs. If they knew how it really happened back then they wouldnt have invented zues.

 

 

 

So what makes you think that this "modern god" is real, even though the ancient gods werent? What makes you think years from now science will be able to prove how the universe was made and everyone will think back and say

 

"phhhtt, why would people back then believe that rubbish? We know what really happened now"

I'm just sorry when the day comes and God judges you and you look back and say

 

"phhhtt, I'm s.o.l."

[bjbj1991]

Light existed before vegatation so solar rays could have very well also existed.

 

What? Please tell me a natural object other than a star that can produce light.

 

Since God created the vegatation it didn't need light.

 

Why does it need light now? Adam ate an apple sudenly changed the cell structure of plants?

 

And if there were no solar rays till the fourth day the vegatation could live a day without it.

 

How was there a literal day if there was no Sun? Also the Bible says that a "God day" is about 1000 years, plants cant live even remotly this long without light.

 

 

 

Psalms90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

 

 

 

Peter3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

 

 

I'm just sorry when the day comes and God judges you and you look back and say

 

"phhhtt, I'm s.o.l."

 

Why should any god care about who people pray to? If a god is vain enough that he will burn everyone who does not worship him in hell forever, I will take the hell because I cant stand the thought of being with such a person forever.

[No_OnE]

Ok so I'm wondering if anyone else has this kind of problem. I hate talking about religion with people face to face. Nobody ever seems to accept my views and only sees theirs as correct. I personally don't believe in 'God' (although I have come to accept the idea that there may be a 'God' and I would fully believe if I saw some evidence to prove it), I don't belive in an after-life, ect.. When ever someone starts talking about religion I try to keep my mouth shut but someone always has to drag me into it. I tell them what I think (religion was invented by humanity to give them hope) and I just get shot down and everyone has to give me the religious version of how the Earth was created (I'm all for the 'Big Bang' theory). I hate when people try to tell me that evolution is crap when it explains how we came to be here (in a way I can easily understand) and religion (as far as I've found) doesn't really explain how humanity came to be in a logical sense (I mean c'mon, did we just pop up one day? If anyone can explain how religion says we came to be that would be great..).

 

 

 

Ok, glad I got this off my chest.. I'm just so pissed off about how many people dismiss my beliefs and force theirs down my throat..

 

 

 

Now I've got to figure out how this is going to effect me and the girl I like (she believes in 'God', goes to church, ect.).. But don't mind this statement..

 

 

 

I don't exactly feel like reading through the 4 pages of posts. Instead, I'll respond directly to the original...

 

 

 

I do believe in God and life after death but I can also see how religion may have been made up by humans to give them hope. I try and respect most people's beliefs, even if I disagree...

[Guest XplsvBam]

Light existed before vegatation so solar rays could have very well also existed.

 

What? Please tell me a natural object other than a star that can produce light.

 

Since God created the vegatation it didn't need light.

 

Why does it need light now? Adam ate an apple sudenly changed the cell structure of plants?

 

And if there were no solar rays till the fourth day the vegatation could live a day without it.

 

How was there a literal day if there was no Sun? Also the Bible says that a "God day" is about 1000 years, plants cant live even remotly this long without light.

 

 

 

Psalms90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

 

 

 

Peter3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

For the first highlighted: The Bible dosn't tell us what light this is. The fact that light exists is only to distinguish the night from the day. It is rather irrelevant when it comes to vegatation since it can live a day with out light.

 

 

 

For the second highlighted: I was stating since God created it didn't need light to grow in the first place. It needs light to continue to live.

 

 

 

For the third highlighted: At the end of each day it was written "and there was evening and there was morning." If there is evening and morning I consider that a litteral day. I have never heard of a "God day". In the bible it talks about heavens time being different but that is irrelevant because each day was distinguished by evening and morning and the bible never says there is a evening or a morning in heaven (to my knowledge.) It is also irrelevant because there was light before vegatation.

[yonman14]

I tihnk the problems arise in religion when people shove things down people's throat, just like you said.

 

 

 

Religion can be perfectly healthy when people are willing to have disscussions about it.