So My Views Aren't Right?

[deloriagod]

Ok so I'm wondering if anyone else has this kind of problem. I hate talking about religion with people face to face. Nobody ever seems to accept my views and only sees theirs as correct. I personally don't believe in 'God' (although I have come to accept the idea that there may be a 'God' and I would fully believe if I saw some evidence to prove it), I don't belive in an after-life, ect.. When ever someone starts talking about religion I try to keep my mouth shut but someone always has to drag me into it. I tell them what I think (religion was invented by humanity to give them hope) and I just get shot down and everyone has to give me the religious version of how the Earth was created (I'm all for the 'Big Bang' theory). I hate when people try to tell me that evolution is crap when it explains how we came to be here (in a way I can easily understand) and religion (as far as I've found) doesn't really explain how humanity came to be in a logical sense (I mean c'mon, did we just pop up one day? If anyone can explain how religion says we came to be that would be great..).

 

 

 

Ok, glad I got this off my chest.. I'm just so pissed off about how many people dismiss my beliefs and force theirs down my throat..

 

 

 

Now I've got to figure out how this is going to effect me and the girl I like (she believes in 'God', goes to church, ect.).. But don't mind this statement..

[pianofrieak2]

Ok so I'm wondering if anyone else has this kind of problem. I hate talking about religion with people face to face. Nobody ever seems to accept my views and only sees theirs as correct. I personally don't believe in 'God' (although I have come to accept the idea that there may be a 'God'), I don't belive in an after-life, ect.. When ever someone starts talking about religion I try to keep my mouth shut but someone always has to drag me into it. I tell them what I think (religion was invented by humanity to give them hope) and I just get shot down and everyone has to give me the religious version of how the Earth was created (I'm all for the 'Big Bang' theory). I hate when people try to tell me that evolution is crap when it explains how we came to be here (in a way I can easily understand) and religion (as far as I've found) doesn't really explain how humanity came to be in a logical sense (I mean c'mon, did we just pop up one day? If anyone can explain how religion says we came to be that would be great..).

 

 

 

Ok, glad I got this off my chest.. I'm just so pissed off about how many people dismiss my beliefs and force theirs down my throat..

 

 

 

Now I've got to figure out how this is going to effect me and the girl I like (she believes in 'God', goes to church, ect.).. But don't mind this statement..

 

 

 

Well, since you asked how relgion says we came to be, allow me to tell you what I think the Bible says. Jesus created a world in 6 literal 24-hour days (see logic-is-overrated's post on the Hebrew word "yom" and how it is used...it's just weird for me to see how you can be a Christian and still believe in evolution.) Now he created a utopia, but Adam sinned and ruined the whole perfect place for us. As a result, we are born sinful and inclined toward sin. Just look at any dictator who doesn't have to answer to someone: he's a terrible, harsh, cruel person. Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, etc. Name a dictator who was a good person and you can prove me wrong!

 

 

 

Now this viewpoint is strictly from the Christian perspective, so I can't answer for Muslims and Hindus, but it seems as though you're just wondering the Christian perspective because of your girlfriend.

 

 

 

Why don't you go to talk to her pastor about your feelings? That would be good (I would think) to hear his perspective and maybe get some of your questions answered.

 

 

 

If you'd like to talk about anything, just pm me. I'd love to try to help you in any way I can.

[deloriagod]

it's just weird for me to see how you can be a Christian and still believe in evolution.) Now he created a utopia, but Adam sinned and ruined the whole perfect place for us. As a result, we are born sinful and inclined toward sin. Just look at any dictator who doesn't have to answer to someone: he's a terrible, harsh, cruel person. Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, etc. Name a dictator who was a good person and you can prove me wrong!

 

 

 

 

I don't really consider myself a Christian.. I've been to church once in my life (I found it boring, although I learned a few things since I'm always willing to listen to what people have to say about religion as long as they don't shove it down my throat..) and I believe in evolution because it all seems so logical. I've always believed science before religion because humans wrote the Bible and therefore it doesn't have to contain the truth, only what they want.

 

 

 

As far as naming a nice dictator.. Well you've got me there..v :-k

 

 

 

 

 

~Also I'm doing some research into creationism at the moment.. Interesting to read about, however I don't like how there are no details about how 'God' created the Earth is '6' days (which as I read a 'day' may have been millions of years..)

[Barihawk]

Pianofreak...GOD created the world in 7 days, and on the eighth he rested.

 

 

 

My only problem is sometimes that Christians do not arm themselves enough spiritually. They are not prepared to walk the line. As the saying goes...they can talk the talk, but can they walk the walk?

 

 

 

I really do not like the mass preaching hellfire and brimstone. I never seek out to "convert" people. If someone has already stepped down the path towards Christianity, I will be there to hold thier hand...not shove them down it.

 

 

 

Personally, I think the number one turnoff from Christianity is that we are too pushy.

[Viktorkrum77]

Ok so I'm wondering if anyone else has this kind of problem. I hate talking about religion with people face to face. Nobody ever seems to accept my views and only sees theirs as correct. I personally don't believe in 'God' (although I have come to accept the idea that there may be a 'God' and I would fully believe if I saw some evidence to prove it), I don't belive in an after-life, ect.. When ever someone starts talking about religion I try to keep my mouth shut but someone always has to drag me into it. I tell them what I think (religion was invented by humanity to give them hope) and I just get shot down and everyone has to give me the religious version of how the Earth was created (I'm all for the 'Big Bang' theory). I hate when people try to tell me that evolution is crap when it explains how we came to be here (in a way I can easily understand) and religion (as far as I've found) doesn't really explain how humanity came to be in a logical sense (I mean c'mon, did we just pop up one day?

 

 

 

Hit the hammer on the nail right there. :D =D> IMHO

 

 

 

I'm Luthern, but I have different beliefs. However, against my own will, I was forced to be educated in religion up to being confirmed.

[speedofsound]

If anyone can explain how religion says we came to be that would be great..).

 

 

 

Ok, glad I got this off my chest.. I'm just so pissed off about how many people dismiss my beliefs and force theirs down my throat..

 

 

 

Now I've got to figure out how this is going to effect me and the girl I like (she believes in 'God', goes to church, ect.).. But don't mind this statement..

 

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[Kryptic]

I say you believe whatever you want. You tell whom ever you want that what you believe in and that you respect what they believe in and you expect the same from them. I respect you and your beliefs and I think everyone around you should do the same.

 

 

 

 

 

I think what I think, and you do your own thing - as long as you can go to bed a night and wake up with a smile, its all good with me and should be good with other people, no matter what their religion is. Put that into their heads next time they try to "convert" you.

[Viktorkrum77]

The problem is, certain 'goverment people' take the Bible too seriously. And start combining religion and goverment together in an freedom of religion country. Then they make laws based off things written in a book, and some of these rules are very unfair. But I won't get into which ones.

[Besty]

I'm Agnostic yet I'm "Catholic". Not a practicing Catholic, but only one because my parents made me go to church for all those years, which I highly disagreed upon doing.

 

 

 

I understand where your coming from though... However, I've learned that if people try to "preach" to you, and you don't agree just learn to ignore them. No point argueing over something that has no "right" answer...

[Notorious_Ice]

Im not religious I believe in science.

 

 

 

Think about all the other "gods" that people have believed in.

 

eg: Ancient Egypt, they had a number of gods they believed in, they didnt know why the nile flooded, so they invented a god. They had to please that god or they believed the nile wouldnt flood.

 

 

 

Now what would happen if they didnt "please" the god? The nile would still have flooded. Thus proving it wrong, so if their religian was wrong, why is this one right?

 

 

 

The ancient Greeks didnt know how to explain lightning. So they invented Zues, a god that throws lightning.

 

- They make up mythological stories to explain what they dont know how/have the technology to prove.

 

 

 

Scientists have not been able to prove beyond a doubt how the earth was made. They have theories based on proven facts, but they dont know for sure how we came to be.

 

 

 

Thats the reason i believe in science, rather than that a man walked on water and cured people.

 

 

 

But I do believe parts of the bible. I believe there was a person called jesus (because its been proven he existed, and he believed himself to be the son of god and was crucifixed. But I dont believe for a second that he was actually the son of "god"

 

 

 

Science is based on facts. Religeon is based on myths.

 

 

 

Id rather have something backed up by facts, then not backed up at all.

 

 

 

Religion is a load of bull invented for people to believe in when something bad happens they have something/one to 'save' them.

 

 

 

And i dont know much about other religions, but im guessing they all have different theories of how the world came to be. millions of people believe in each of them. But its only possible for one of them to be true. Why christianity? There are millions of people who arent christian and believe something else. Thus being that its only a belief and nothing more.

 

 

 

I believe that in the future, with the right technologies, science will prove with facts how we got here (and everything else that religions explain), and do to the religions today, exactly what it did to the ancient religions.

 

 

 

Actually is has been PROVEN that we DID evolve from more primitive beings. Just not proven how the univserse came to be.

 

 

 

Even if there there is a god, im almost certain his intentions WONT be focused around us, we aren't the only life in 10billion galaxies, or some ridiculous number

 

 

 

But You can't prove God doesn't exist, neither can you prove it. Its about faith, and whilst there are still believers he will exist in the minds of those people

[zaquierming]

Pianofreak...GOD created the world in 7 days, and on the eighth he rested.

 

 

 

My only problem is sometimes that Christians do not arm themselves enough spiritually. They are not prepared to walk the line. As the saying goes...they can talk the talk, but can they walk the walk?

 

 

 

I really do not like the mass preaching hellfire and brimstone. I never seek out to "convert" people. If someone has already stepped down the path towards Christianity, I will be there to hold thier hand...not shove them down it.

 

 

 

Personally, I think the number one turnoff from Christianity is that we are too pushy.

 

 

 

What? He rested on the eighth? Are you sure? I always thought he rested on the seventh, Sunday, thus is why it is forbidden to do work on a Sunday... I could be wrong, i'm not catholic so I don't folow the bible much...

[caligula101]

Ya he rested on the seventh and it was Eve that sinned not Adam :shame:

[jak722]

I'm Agnostic yet I'm "Catholic". Not a practicing Catholic, but only one because my parents made me go to church for all those years, which I highly disagreed upon doing.

 

 

 

I understand where your coming from though... However, I've learned that if people try to "preach" to you, and you don't agree just learn to ignore them. No point argueing over something that has no "right" answer...

 

 

 

Looks like I wont have to type long. :

 

You got my opinion on this right on the mark.

[Michael_Allen]

I personally believe there may be so higher more powerful bein then us humans but i dont believe in the Bilbe, Quar'an or Tora. The way i see it those books where written by people not god! and people arnt alway right so how can you take the word of a person on something so BIG.?

 

 

 

Also look at the greeks they believed there are many gods, and 5000 years ago or whatever time they were about people seriously beleieved in Zeus, Aries, Apollo, Hera and many more. Now modern religions look back on their religion and say PFFT what a load of rubbish.

 

 

 

WILL PEOPLE OF THE FUTURE LOOK BACK ON OUR RELIGIONS AND SAY PFFT!

[katha610]

i know what you are talking about. and mostly it is like that with any other topics based on believe.

 

a lot of people might see it as attack against them if you dont believe what they do and hear you saying: i dont believe in it and its wrong. , even if you didnt say or ment that.

 

anyway, most discussions about religion or things you believe dont go anywhere and are in that case somehow useless ( although it is good to state your opinion once in a while :wink: )

 

 

 

anyway, just tell them to respect your point of view as you do respect theirs and stop talking against you.

[Notorious_Ice]

 

Also look at the greeks they believed there are many gods, and 5000 years ago or whatever time they were about people seriously beleieved in Zeus, Aries, Apollo, Hera and many more. Now modern religions look back on their religion and say PFFT what a load of rubbish.

 

 

 

WILL PEOPLE OF THE FUTURE LOOK BACK ON OUR RELIGIONS AND SAY PFFT!

 

 

 

Thats what I said...

[jgrazotis]

my views

 

 

 

how can sum1 just make earth and people like that, there r heaps of different religions and i think theyve all got different views on hoe the world was created, which means 1 is right the rest hav got no idea, i think the god made earth is not true but niether are many others, i believe in the big bang theory, but how can there just be a bang and theres life on a planet

 

first was dinosaurs, when they died out how did the monkeys come to life and evolve into humans, to me it sounds all fake but its the most logic, sane answer in my opinion

 

 

 

another thing i wanna no is y and how 'god' and 'jesus' were created, by people, i mean did sum1 do it as a joke that got carried away, if so look how much damage its done

 

if sum1 made it so people would listen to them

 

if sum1 made it so people would join their armys

 

for wat ever reason, y did sum1 have to make such a huge lie, maybe at the time it was small and just got bigger....

 

or maybe its real, for me, hard to believe but if it is how did humans find out about god and jesus and their creations, by jesus, how does he no???

 

but then theirs the other religions that could be right, abd christains are wrong as well, here in australia its christain is the main religion, people came to my school in primary school to teach us about christianity, but what if i wanted to no about hindu or muslim, never seen a church or temple of that belief before

 

i think if we want to learn about god we should go to church and not HAVE to learn about it in school

 

 

 

ahhh glad to get that off my chest

[woopidoo2]

I personally don't believe in 'God' (although I have come to accept the idea that there may be a 'God' and I would fully believe if I saw some evidence to prove it

 

 

 

God gave the choice to us, he wanted to let us decide if you want to believe in Him or not.

 

 

 

The ones who follow Him, go to church, do sins as little as possible, God will give you the reward that you can go to heaven.

 

 

 

The ones who ignore him, dont deserve to be at that place. (and we all know what happens then.)

 

 

 

And even if He doesnt exist, isnt life beautiful to live a good life?

[Barihawk]

Pianofreak...GOD created the world in 7 days, and on the eighth he rested.

 

 

 

My only problem is sometimes that Christians do not arm themselves enough spiritually. They are not prepared to walk the line. As the saying goes...they can talk the talk, but can they walk the walk?

 

 

 

I really do not like the mass preaching hellfire and brimstone. I never seek out to "convert" people. If someone has already stepped down the path towards Christianity, I will be there to hold thier hand...not shove them down it.

 

 

 

Personally, I think the number one turnoff from Christianity is that we are too pushy.

 

 

 

What? He rested on the eighth? Are you sure? I always thought he rested on the seventh, Sunday, thus is why it is forbidden to do work on a Sunday... I could be wrong, i'm not catholic so I don't folow the bible much...

 

 

 

Blast! You are correct, I got a little confused. Hah, that makes me look credible, doesn't it? :P

[FuBai]

So My views Aren't Right?

 

 

 

No, but they aren't wrong.

 

 

 

I tend towards the consideration that none of my beliefs are more than (to make a random valuation) 80% "correct". Most often I bleive the chance that they are correct is lower.

 

 

 

The problem is, do I believe 100% that my beliefs are not more than 80% certain, or am I only 80% certain that my beliefs are only 80% certain or less, which means that the percentage of certainess in those beliefs is infact less than 80% :? :-k

 

 

 

And the problem with that is assigning percentage values to an abstract concept such as "certainess", which can't be impiricaly measured...

 

 

 

I usualy stop thinking at this point as it becomes slightly pointless and very confusing.

[ctp080188]

At the end of the day, you can believe in whatever you want to believe in. It puts doubt in your mind when someone with conflicting views can't see where you're coming from, but this is a good thing. It allows you to explore other possibilities, and step into someone else's shoes. Don't take it to heart, if you are comfortable in what you believe, then leave it at that.

[issy2]

No, I do have the same problems...but I wouldn't go so far as to call them problems because those I have discussed this subject with respect my opinion, as well as you should respect theirs, as I'm sure you do. Just because the Christian faith has been around for hundreds, thousands of years, doesn't mean everyone has to stick to it.

 

 

 

Personally I have my own theory for the creation of the world. Big Bang- scientifically, probably, correct, but I wouldn't know! No, I think pure Nothingness - purification of the previously non-existent universe - reacted with itself over time, (which, too, didn't exist, if you believe time to be a physical dimension) to create an imperfect world. I've also got full trust in evolution.

 

 

 

I don't conflicting views, just when priests and stuff never stop rabbiting on about God and blah-blah-blah without taking the slightest notice of the fact that you don't believe in Christiantity, and when they find out they never talk to you again. :evil: :evil:

[Viktorkrum77]

God gave the choice to us, he wanted to let us decide if you want to believe in Him or not.

 

 

 

The Bible? The Ten Commandments? I don't believe it's mentioned anywhere he gave us that choice. Infact it's mentioned that those who don't believe in him will go to hell. And therefore the Bible creates an arguement of not having free religion, or is frowning down upon it.

[Death_By_Pod]

 

Just look at any dictator who doesn't have to answer to someone: he's a terrible, harsh, cruel person. Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, etc. Name a dictator who was a good person and you can prove me wrong!

 

 

 

 

Mohamed Anwar al-Sadat an Egyptian dictator, even won the nobel peace prize in 1978. What the hell does dictatorship have to do with a lack of religion? You can be religious and still be a dictator, why not claim your actions are based on what God is telling you to do? Dictators acted on their egos rather then their absence of faith, stop trying to get an emotional response out of people.

[Evilperson]

Organized religion is a scam.

 

 

 

 

 

those are my personal beliefs. dont ask. dont question. If you offended then thats a damnable shame