You know what's wrong with PC?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can do very little (Next to nothing, actually) and be rewarded with a more-than-fair share of experience in any combat skill of your choice. Personally, I wasted a ton of runes on 99 mage (I didn't high alch, as I don't have the patience to click over and over and over again). It's a slap in the face when people can sit at PC all day and gain 150K+ mage experience without ever casting a magic spell (This goes for every other combat style too. I just chose to single out mage).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How exactly is that fair?

You know what's wrong with PC?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can do very little (Next to nothing, actually) and be rewarded with a more-than-fair share of experience in any combat skill of your choice. Personally, I wasted a ton of runes on 99 mage (I didn't high alch, as I don't have the patience to click over and over and over again). It's a slap in the face when people can sit at PC all day and gain 150K+ without ever casting a magic spell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How exactly is that fair?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

o.O the oh so great sly wizard :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wasn't saying it was fair, but the main idea of this discussion was about the idea of people calling others PC Products. And you probly do more clicking in pest control to get that 1,000 exp (1 point at around level 77) then casting those spells as you can read forums (thats if you actually help your team win and don't leech). Also you would gain more exp actually casting spells, so therefore PC isn't really that much faster for magic in my opinion unless your casting spells inside.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As the game goes on updates happen that make it easier to gain levels in the respective skills, but saying that it still requires huge amounts of time and incredible determination to achieve a 99 skill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree 100%, the game evolves, why not complain about how bread is now one of the worst foods to use to train and lobsters heal to much? As bread use to be one of the main foods to heal but got knocked off the food chain :P

As for PC Product, yes there are som really nice people who got incredibly good levels over a short time by playing PC, but I've met a few too many immature and rude level 115+s for my liking. I never say "PC Product" either, but I dislike PC for the simple point that it used to take a bit of maturity and concentration to get high levels, where now it has become a streamlined process where someone can (with a lot of time on their hands) hit 126 combat without having ever risked a single item, and earn a nice profit in doing so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hit the nail on the head right there. PC has completely annihilated the level:maturity correlation. Rs2 probably hit that correlation pretty hard too, but being a "Rs2 product" I'm not entirely sure how Rs2 affected it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though I would never use the term "PC product", as I would be insulting myself and my method of finishing my Magic training :lol: .

 

As for PC Product, yes there are som really nice people who got incredibly good levels over a short time by playing PC, but I've met a few too many immature and rude level 115+s for my liking. I never say "PC Product" either, but I dislike PC for the simple point that it used to take a bit of maturity and concentration to get high levels, where now it has become a streamlined process where someone can (with a lot of time on their hands) hit 126 combat without having ever risked a single item, and earn a nice profit in doing so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hit the nail on the head right there. PC has completely annihilated the level:maturity correlation. Rs2 probably hit that correlation pretty hard too, but being a "Rs2 product" I'm not entirely sure how Rs2 affected it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though I would never use the term "PC product", as I would be insulting myself and my method of finishing my Magic training :lol: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Notice how he says you still need a lot of time on your hands to get the level, so its not neccessary miles quicker, but it still is abit quicker but thats the way the updates have always been.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*tries to keep post to a minimum*

Well, what's wrong with calling people PC products when they do nothing but sit at pest control all day?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's much, much easier (And cheaper) to raise your magic through PC, as you never have to actually use a magic spell. The same also goes for range. If you're training melee and supplementing it with void knight points, then it's not uncommon to get 100K experience per hour with absolutely *NO* risk what-so-ever. Using PC as a means of training is incredibly easy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You lose nothing, yet you gain everything.

not faster? how is pest control not faster then 20-40K exp an hour at hobgob or black knights.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Generally I think people are just angry that they spent years getting high skills and levels and now RS2 and PC come out and some people do it in months... I gained a majority of my levels in classic and I'm proud of where I got my start, It doesn't how ever give me the right to call people names so your right calling someone a product isn't right. But having the attention span to spend years playing a game that rarely changed at all demands its own respect. :XD:

Well, what's wrong with calling people PC products when they do nothing but sit at pest control all day?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's much, much easier (And cheaper) to raise your magic through PC, as you never have to actually use a magic spell. The same also goes for range. If you're training melee and supplementing it with void knight points, then it's not uncommon to get 100K experience per hour with absolutely *NO* risk what-so-ever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You lose nothing, yet you gain everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Use PC all you want, but you really can't be surprised when people call you a PC product.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just think its stupid and uncalled for, its like when people call others a noob for no reason what-so-ever, yes its cheaper pixelwise, but it still takes a long time. Also to get 100k exp an hour at pest control for magic or range you still need to be casting spells inside which still costs or use arrows, if your just using points on magic or range its only a max of 40k exp an hour which is nothing really compared to stunning which is around 90k exp a hour (probly more) or super heating (about 60k exp an hour).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You lose nothing? Well it still takes time, i agree you don't need any food or pots which is rather stupid #-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

not faster? how is pest control not faster then 20-40K exp an hour at hobgob or black knights.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Generally I think people are just angry that they spent years getting high skills and levels and now RS2 and PC come out and some people do it in months... I gained a majority of my levels in classic and I'm proud of where I got my start, It doesn't how ever give me the right to call people names so your right calling someone a product isn't right. But having the attention span to spend years playing a game that rarely changed at all demands its own respect. :XD:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that PC is faster then normally trainning depending on how you use it, but not a lot faster. Theres around a 20k-30k extra experience an hour which yes builds up after a large amount of time, but people still need to work hard for there levels.

 

 

 

I agree that PC is faster then normally trainning depending on how you use it, but not a lot faster. Theres around a 20k-30k extra experience an hour which yes builds up after a large amount of time, but people still need to work hard for there levels.

 

 

 

Early Rs1: 10-30k per hour

 

 

 

Current Rs2: 60-100k per hour

 

 

 

In some cases it could be up to 10x the difference. But even with smaller amounts it's still not fair to older players really. Any difference is an unfair difference - either way you're working hard like you said, but does that make it ok? Older players have to deal with so much with jagex not catering to them in any way, only focusing on making the game easier and faster for newer players. I think that's what the problem is. But that's not going to change. They're where the money's at.

Pest control made it easy to get a high level without actually getting a good grasp of the game. Before PC you had to raise one or more skills to be able to afford food/buy gear. Or move along to merchanting (for that you really have to have a good grasp of game-prices).

 

 

 

It used to take time. With that came an understanding of the game and the game mechanics as well as an understanding of (game)ethics. How to treat people, go look for another world if your training spot/mining spot is taken, etc. The longer time it took, the more the people looking for instant gratification that seem to be the norm these days, got filtered out. They found out RS wasn't their game. With PC, there is no reason for them to quit before they get bored, really. Hence, PC-products.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Myself, I have put over 100 mill RS-cash into buying dbones to get to 126 cb (nearly there). Being an RS2-product myself, I have most respect for those who came before me. These are people who didnt have bone grinders/altars at their disposal, nor the big economy of these days where it's actually possible to buy such large numbers of items. They had to stuff bones into the ground one by one

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's human nature to express anger/frustration/prowess over someone else, at the expense of someone else. With the word 'noob' losing its former glory, people start looking for new insults: PC-product is born.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Disclaimer: the above is the opinion of the author on how the term got into use and should not be taken as the absolute truth, nor does he support the use of it ;)

 

 

 

 

I agree that PC is faster then normally trainning depending on how you use it, but not a lot faster. Theres around a 20k-30k extra experience an hour which yes builds up after a large amount of time, but people still need to work hard for there levels.

 

 

 

Early Rs1: 10-30k per hour

 

 

 

Current Rs2: 60-100k per hour

 

 

 

In some cases it could be up to 10x the difference. But even with smaller amounts it's still not fair to older players really. Any difference is an unfair difference - either way you're working hard like you said, but does that make it ok? Older players have to deal with so much with jagex not catering to them in any way, only focusing on making the game easier and faster for newer players. I think that's what the problem is. But that's not going to change. They're where the money's at.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But if you owned runescape you'd probly find you'd be where the moneys at. If you first created a game for fun but then it became a business, the fun would be gone as you would want profit a lot more. I understand what your saying (yet i still don't understand how people can get 80-100k exp an hour, some hack? :roll:) but yeah i totally agree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways my last post for night as im off, might see if the threads still here tomorrow, keep it a discussion and not pure flame please people :)

The players (or "products") shouldn't be flamed. Jagex should.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that PC is faster then normally trainning depending on how you use it, but not a lot faster. Theres around a 20k-30k extra experience an hour which yes builds up after a large amount of time, but people still need to work hard for there levels.

 

 

 

Early Rs1: 10-30k per hour

 

 

 

Current Rs2: 60-100k per hour

 

 

 

In some cases it could be up to 10x the difference. But even with smaller amounts it's still not fair to older players really. Any difference is an unfair difference - either way you're working hard like you said, but does that make it ok? Older players have to deal with so much with jagex not catering to them in any way, only focusing on making the game easier and faster for newer players. I think that's what the problem is. But that's not going to change. They're where the money's at.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But if you owned runescape you'd probly find you'd be where the moneys at. If you first created a game for fun but then it became a business, the fun would be gone as you would want profit a lot more. I understand what your saying (yet i still don't understand how people can get 80-100k exp an hour, some hack? :roll:) but yeah i totally agree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways my last post for night as im off, might see if the threads still here tomorrow, keep it a discussion and not pure flame please people :)

 

 

 

Yeah, that's the general consensus about when jagex took a corporate turn. Right about in that time most of the old legends started quitting, and jagex started focusing on making this game available to the masses. They lost their interest of the older base, and focused on getting as many new members as possible, and in doing that, they had to make all elements of the game faster and easier. It makes money sense, and I don't dislike them for doing that. It's the way the world works - money drives everything.

I really don't care. Levels are levels

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

truth right there. jagex put it in the game for a reason. PC is a savior to me. i love it. why would i go around killing other stuff when i could just go to PC and lvl like twice as fast

bandit products? i hate that afk garbage

 

I really don't care. Levels are levels

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

truth right there. jagex put it in the game for a reason. PC is a savior to me. i love it. why would i go around killing other stuff when i could just go to PC and lvl like twice as fast

 

 

 

That's not the point. Nobody's asking that of you. It's the fault of the game that it's this way now. If I levelled now, I'd use pc too. But my point is, how would you feel if in a year jagex allowed everyone to just type in their levels, and they wouldn't need to train at all? Pretty annoyed, eh? I know I stretched the analogy out a bit, but it still works.

I worked hard for my levels. People who used PC didn't. I don't go around saying "rs2 product" or "pc product" because it's Jagex's fault. But I can completely understand the resentment.

This is the very first time I even heard about this. :-k

I'm sure this thread will cause a lot of negative comments, so I'll keep my eye on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, I can't help but agree with you. "RS2 Products" can't help that they weren't introduced to Runescape until later on in the game - there's nothing they can do about it. Absolutely no good will come out of insulting them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for "PC Pruducts," sure they might be taking the "easy way out," but in some senses, it's the smart way out. The faster you max out combat, the faster you can work on other skills. I do think that PC made combat almost too easy, considering how many 126s you see these days, and I am against being able to level prayer at PC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though I must say, calling these "name callers" idiots right back won't do much good either :wink:

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

You're making too much of a fuss over a nickname. Just because you were introduced to RuneScape later than others, or use PC more freuqently than the average player, doesn't eman there's anything wrong with you.

I dont use pc and there is nothing wrong with people using it.If you can stand the extreme boredom go nuts in there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though what i find annoying is level 120's acting like they have just gotten off tutorial island (no joke) and that is happening more and more after the release of pc.

My friend has gotten 99 str, attack and HP in about 3 months on PC. In classic it would have taken more than a year.

Ur the pathetic idiot who is complaining on the forums over what other people on the internet call others. Come on....that is true no life ok.

Pest control made it easy to get a high level without actually getting a good grasp of the game. Before PC you had to raise one or more skills to be able to afford food/buy gear. Or move along to merchanting (for that you really have to have a good grasp of game-prices).

 

 

 

It used to take time. With that came an understanding of the game and the game mechanics as well as an understanding of (game)ethics. How to treat people, go look for another world if your training spot/mining spot is taken, etc. The longer time it took, the more the people looking for instant gratification that seem to be the norm these days, got filtered out. They found out RS wasn't their game. With PC, there is no reason for them to quit before they get bored, really. Hence, PC-products.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did anyone bother to read this? No further explanations needed..

I only use PC when I'm 10k-15k exp from an Attack/Defense/Strength/HP level, so I can get the points and the in-game experience faster. And I've never been called an RS2/PC product, so I guess that makes me feel good...

the biggest problem is the people that have pures polluted by pc. pc adds no hp keeping cmbt down below melee levels.

 

 

 

i saw a level 49 with a whip and blue phat crashing our pc group. he finnally left after realizing he couldnt get 50 points in 20 secs :P

 

 

 

this guy had no stats but 70 att. i highly doubt he played in rsc, staked, or "merchanted" 400m....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...he could have, but the odds are hes been fed by a main.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the way i look at it have you fun, play how you want, i have worked up[ to almost max cmbt and wouldnt even consider starting over. so it is all good.

Summary: People who call people PC Products or RS2 Products are idiots, and whenever I see someone say that in a thread i'm going to be forced to flame you, for not having a life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You realize that you're being hypocritical, right? Calling someone an idiot, and saying they have no life is just as (as you see it) "bad" as calling someone an RS2 Product.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, I played RS1 (I still refuse to call it Classic), and I loved it! For those of you that haven't been able to play it, I feel sorry for you, I really do. It was the age when people couldn't click a level and level up instantly. I'm not saying it's 1 billion times easier to do things now than it was back then but... oh wait, yes it is. Need I remind you that we didn't have Cook-x, much less Smith-x, or Smelt-x, or any of those "..-x" things? We had a small line of text for smithing, not a nice big button that says "CLICK ME!" I'm not saying I'm better than you, but I am saying that it is unbelievable how terrible this game has gotten. Do I blame Jagex? Yes I do. They're a great company, but they made the worst mistake when making this game: to make it easier in RS2.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right when RS2 came out, sleeping bags were thrown away, xp was increased, "-x" features started popping up, and we could now make our own runes! That's something you guys take for granted, runes. Not to sound like your grandparents, but back in my day, we had to kill for runs, literally. You couldn't just go "hmm, I think I'll go pump out a few thousand runes right now" and actually be able to. Five thousand Nature runes was a lot back then, and you were considered a God if you had any more than 10k of them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Moral of the story: stop complaining that we're angry that Jagex messed up the game, just live with it. We'll be angry, and we'll always be angry, too bad for you. If someone calling you an "rs2 product" really makes you that flustered, just go quit now, so you can use all of your time "wasting time" on your life.