Mod Burgess just updated the sticky too. Jagex has clarified the statement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meaning that 'Luring into the Wilderness' is no longer specifically legal or considered allowed by the rules. The wording has been changed so now it's clear that Jagex only considers it not to be a 'reportable' offence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd ask all players to pay particular notice that 'Luring into the Wilderness' is considered an 'offence' though just not a reportable one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> RuneScape Forums > PK-ing > Luring in to the Wilderness

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last edited on 13-Mar-2007 00:45:40 GMT by Mod Burgess

 

 

 

Luring in to the Wilderness

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We do not consider Luring in to the Wilderness to be a reportable offence. We feel that the parameters of the Wilderness are sufficiently documented and that there are good indications that the area is dangerous. The warning screen before entering the Wilderness clearly explains that any player that enters the Wilderness is in danger of being killed and losing items. All players should take care when they are near any areas that they have not previously visited.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are trading near or in the Wilderness then it is important that you consider the documented dangers. You are at risk of being lured and player killed, which could lead to you losing any items that you are carrying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are trading then we recommend that you avoid areas like the Wilderness, Edgeville and north Varrock. If you are uncomfortable with the arrangements of a trade then try and change them or cancel the offer. If you choose to trade in one of these areas then you do so at your own risk. It should be noted that there is never a reason for a trade to take place specifically in the Wilderness, and it is advised to refuse any such offers if they are not willing to trade outside of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While Luring is not a reportable offence, we do not consider it to be in the spirit of the game. Any player that chooses to lure other players accepts the possibility that they may lose the respect of other members of the community who choose to play the game in the spirit that it was intended.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For that reason Tip.It is taking the right stance on this issue, since Jagex never intended for players to be mislead and lured into the Wilderness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring is not fair play :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards, Fey.

that's ridiculous. i got lured once and lost 400k. i think that if that person has tricked me, they deserve the money and deserve the right to put it on tip.it's forums.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think if I switched items and you didn't check your second trade screen, and I stole over 50m that way, I should be able to post on TIF. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring is a scam. It is clearly a deception as you have a hidden intent, and with no solid line it's impossible to tell precisely where the wilderness begins, especially if you don't enter the wilderness often. Jagex may be confused temporarily, or swayed by greedy morons, but that doesn't make this right.

So Jagex says luring is not illegal. Who is tipit to disagree with them on the rules of their own game?

Why dont you post your lure screenies? theyre probably better than your dagger ones.

The players falling for it are the new or young players. They are less or unexperienced and do not know where exactly the line is where wilderness begins. You can argue that there are signs and a pop up screen. However the pop up screen pops up befor wildy and you can walk past it for quite a while befor actualy going into wildernes (edgeville bank to the bridge by example) However once you passed this sign, the sign wont pop up anymore when you actualy go into wildy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHAT TO DO: make it so that one can sees with one look on the screen where wildy starts and what square is wildy and what one isnt. For all I care they draw a big line on the ground.

 

 

 

Then they need to make the warning message pop up the moment you actualy are about to cross the line of wilderness and that pop up should stop all actions. including trades, following, running, walking, every movement should be stopped by this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If they fix all that, then I would have less problems with it, because you actualy tried to warn people that that is a dangerous area.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It does not of course say anything about the ethic of trying to lure people. What do you do when you lure? You make a plan how you can deceive some one and persuade some one to go to an area where he is vulnarable. To gain his trust you lie and deceive, you hide the trap, you fool the player only to gain as much of his items as possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex says it is not in the spirit of the game. It sounds like "you should be nice to eachother. And if you are not nice to eachother ... then.... I will stand here and watch you not being nice!!"

 

 

 

It would bug me less if the lurers would actualy target more experienced players, but they target new unexperienced and youg players. It comes very close to bullying, picking on the little one. Why don't they try it with some one of their own "size"? I would ave thought it would be jagex role to protect the new player from this, but instead they clearly send the message that they do not care.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i like the idea about the big line :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i have never fallen for lure but i have tricked loads of lures into wasting runes on me and once i went into wilderness at edge and walked to lvl 8 and then killed the ancient waiting for me :XD:

pking is part of the game and I readily accept that if I get pked while Im out there doing a clue scroll or killing green dragons it's part of the game the wilderness is yet another aspect of the game we all love which one has to accept and either master or avoid.How ever the practice of luring an unsuspecting seller or pking defensless rune crafters may or may not be against the rules these are cowardly and decietful acts and certainly not something to boast about

Jagex recently posted that it isn't against the rules to lure, HOWEVER they said that they strongly disapprove of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tip.It normally follows Jagex in their decisions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: I suppose Tip.It follows thier legacy after all, or it is just a lucky coincidence.

Post Edited: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:50 pm (GMT)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is hot off the presses (just a few minutes ago).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RuneScape Forums > PK-ing > Luring in the Wilderness - New

 

 

 

Quick find code: 47-48-181-41442526

 

 

 

 

 

 

We recently clarified our position on Luring in to the Wilderness. It was our belief that the dangers of the Wilderness were sufficiently well documented to mean that anybody choosing to enter the Wilderness did so in the knowledge that they could be killed and could lose items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With this in mind, we didn't consider Luring to be a reportable offence. However, we did not want to encourage the practice as we still believed it to be dishonest and not in the general spirit of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We have very carefully considered this and taken on board feedback from players about this clarification. In particular, there were those that were unhappy that Jagex would be seen to allow such a deceptive act in the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We would now like to re-clarify our position.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring in to the Wilderness is against the rules of the game and can be reported under Rule 2 ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ Item Scamming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Players that choose to take advantage of others by tricking them in to the Wilderness or by under-selling the dangers of the Wilderness will be in breach of Rule 2.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regardless of this, it is very important that all players are very careful when approaching the Wilderness. If you choose to go in to the Wilderness then you may be killed and may lose items. If there is any deception involved in luring you to the Wilderness then we may take action against the player that killed you, but we cannot be responsible for any items that you lose as a result of this decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This rule in no way relates to standard incidents of PK-ing. No player should report another player as a result of losing a PK-ing match.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's be a clarification to Rule 2 - Item Scamming in the Rules of Conduct too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some examples of item scams are:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* Offering an item and then removing the item within the first or second trade screen.

 

 

 

* Offering an item and changing the agreed price within the first or second trade screen.

 

 

 

* Misleading players by providing false or inaccurate information, for your own personal gain.

 

 

 

* Luring players into the Wilderness under false pretences.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To keep RuneScape enjoyable for everyone please observe and follow this rule. We will not tolerate disruptive players, and if you break our rules your account is likely to be banned. Members who are banned for breaking our rules are not entitled to any sort of refund.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards, Fey.

Could luring into multi combat also be considered "luring"? I found a thread that admitted to luring a guy into multi to be killed. Like he admitted that he tried to make the guy go into multi so that his friends could kill him. Here's me two cents:

 

 

 

What are some examples of item scams?

 

 

 

 

 

Some examples of item scams are:

 

 

 

 

 

* Offering an item and then removing the item within the first or second trade screen.

 

* Offering an item and changing the agreed price within the first or second trade screen.

 

* Misleading players by providing false or inaccurate information, for your own personal gain.

 

* Luring players into the Wilderness under false pretenses.

 

 

 

i believe that the person who died, who was under the pretense of being in the wilderness for a fair fight in non-multi combat wilderness, was then "lured" into a multi-combat zone, when he thought he would be fighting a one-vs.-one fight. i believe that this is classified as "luring under false pretenses", and thus, is against JAGEX and tip.it policies.

Could luring into multi combat also be considered "luring"? I found a thread that admitted to luring a guy into multi to be killed. Like he admitted that he tried to make the guy go into multi so that his friends could kill him. Here's me two cents:

 

 

 

What are some examples of item scams?

 

 

 

 

 

Some examples of item scams are:

 

 

 

 

 

* Offering an item and then removing the item within the first or second trade screen.

 

* Offering an item and changing the agreed price within the first or second trade screen.

 

* Misleading players by providing false or inaccurate information, for your own personal gain.

 

* Luring players into the Wilderness under false pretenses.

 

 

 

i believe that the person who died, who was under the pretense of being in the wilderness for a fair fight in non-multi combat wilderness, was then "lured" into a multi-combat zone, when he thought he would be fighting a one-vs.-one fight. i believe that this is classified as "luring under false pretenses", and thus, is against JAGEX and tip.it policies.

 

 

 

If a player makes a false assumption it is his fault. If I see you going to wild and follow you, "assuming" that you're going to give me a red p hat in level 20 wild for no particular reason and die, how is that fault yours? I made the choice to assume something. You didn't TELL me you were going to give me a red p hat, I just assumed it.

 

 

 

If someone follows you to multi, unless you TOLD them you were going to fight 1 on 1, the deception is in their assumption, not in any trickery of yours.

If a player makes a false assumption it is his fault. If I see you going to wild and follow you, "assuming" that you're going to give me a red p hat in level 20 wild for no particular reason and die, how is that fault yours? I made the choice to assume something. You didn't TELL me you were going to give me a red p hat, I just assumed it.

 

 

 

If someone follows you to multi, unless you TOLD them you were going to fight 1 on 1, the deception is in their assumption, not in any trickery of yours.

 

 

 

True.

 

 

 

If you are wearing expensive items and do not encourage or deceive them (using false pretences) about giving them any items, then they are obviously choosing to chase after and possibly PK you for that item.

 

 

 

PK-ing them in that case is legitimate PK-ing between players.

 

 

 

If however some players were to drop items just inside the Wilderness so as to be visible to those outside (a popular luring scam) that is bannable. Since it's deliberately being done in order to lure players into a dangerous area - luring them into the Wilderness under false pretences.

 

 

 

I am reliably told that is a scam and is reportable.

 

 

 

If players wish to confirm that they should message Jagex Customer Support of course, but that's what I've been informed is considered a luring into the Wilderness scam.

 

 

 

So simply: do not drop items simply in order to lure other players into the Wilderness, as you can be reported and you will be banned for it.

 

 

 

Regards, Fey.

If a player makes a false assumption it is his fault. If I see you going to wild and follow you, "assuming" that you're going to give me a red p hat in level 20 wild for no particular reason and die, how is that fault yours? I made the choice to assume something. You didn't TELL me you were going to give me a red p hat, I just assumed it.

 

 

 

If someone follows you to multi, unless you TOLD them you were going to fight 1 on 1, the deception is in their assumption, not in any trickery of yours.

 

 

 

True.

 

 

 

If you are wearing expensive items and do not encourage or deceive them (using false pretences) about giving them any items, then they are obviously choosing to chase after and possibly PK you for that item.

 

 

 

PK-ing them in that case is legitimate PK-ing between players.

 

 

 

If however some players were to drop items just inside the Wilderness so as to be visible to those outside (a popular luring scam) that is bannable. Since it's deliberately being done in order to lure players into a dangerous area - luring them into the Wilderness under false pretences.

 

 

 

I am reliably told that is a scam and is reportable.

 

 

 

If players wish to confirm that they should message Jagex Customer Support of course, but that's what I've been informed is considered a luring into the Wilderness scam.

 

 

 

So simply: do not drop items simply in order to lure other players into the Wilderness, as you can be reported and you will be banned for it.

 

 

 

Regards, Fey.

Tellygrab? :

okay okay okay.... im not saying that everyone in favor of the luring law (as i like to call it) or the wildy ditch are noobs but i am saying that the people that get lured are. In my opinion (which just happens to be shared by about 78.5% of the runescape community) if you get lured and then whine about it YOU should be banned. they have 67 warnings about the wildy. Before you step in theres a warning, before you trade in the wildy theres a warning, most of the time theres a warning at the click here screen. seriously guys, luring is just part of the runescape learning experience and if you.... people.... cant accept that then go play a different game. we dont need you scumming up RS2!

okay okay okay.... im not saying that everyone in favor of the luring law (as i like to call it) or the wildy ditch are noobs but i am saying that the people that get lured are. In my opinion (which just happens to be shared by about 78.5% of the runescape community) if you get lured and then whine about it YOU should be banned. they have 67 warnings about the wildy. Before you step in theres a warning, before you trade in the wildy theres a warning, most of the time theres a warning at the click here screen. seriously guys, luring is just part of the runescape learning experience and if you.... people.... cant accept that then go play a different game. we dont need you scumming up RS2!

Your post is scumming up these forums.... Is "scumming up" an actual phrase? :

:shock: um... excuse me mister "i have a bad name so maybe putting random letters at the end will make me cool", something tells me you got lured :boohoo: . and now ill take the time to laugh at all the noobs that have done so :XD: . HAHAHAHA. you all suck. learn to play or stop entirely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS- "scumming up" is a real term. it was invented to decribe noobs like yourself swordwindiahgalkjhgl. noob =;

:shock: um... excuse me mister "i have a bad name so maybe putting random letters at the end will make me cool", something tells me you got lured :boohoo: . and now ill take the time to laugh at all the noobs that have done so :XD: . HAHAHAHA. you all suck. learn to play or stop entirely.

 

 

 

PS- "scumming up" is a real term. it was invented to decribe noobs like yourself swordwindiahgalkjhgl. noob =;

 

 

 

Sadly it's reverting to mocking another player that shows you must revert to an Ad Hominen argument: that is attacking the person rather than the argument.

 

 

 

I suggest to you that mocking others, rather than putting forth any sustainable argument, is your only recourse. The argument for luring has now been lost forever, and as such, the days of Luring as part of the game will never return to RuneScape.

 

 

 

There are many players who've fought nobly with good intent and even better arguments who will ensure and remain vigilant that those days will never return.

 

 

 

Luring into the Wilderness under false pretences is not part of RuneScape. The overwhelming response of the fair and honest players in RuneScape help convince Jagex of this who brought this important issue to the attention of Andrew & Paul.

 

 

 

These two people who are the creators of the game have clearly spoken that luring is something RuneScape does not need (Andrew even banned forever one such player from the Official Forums personally).

 

 

 

Most importantly players did this by making strong and reasoned arguments. They did not 'riot' in-game, they did not 'blame the victim'. They did not make excuses for what is essentially the abuse of the trust of another real person.

 

 

 

Now in RuneScape (as in Real Life) lying to other players for your personal gain is scamming (fraud).

 

 

 

If anything it's the players who deceived other players who are now finding a clear message being sent by Jagex as well as RuneScape players:

 

 

 

Abusing another player's trust isn't tolerated and is definitely not part the game of RuneScape.

 

 

 

Regards, Fey.

:shock: um... excuse me mister "i have a bad name so maybe putting random letters at the end will make me cool", something tells me you got lured :boohoo: . and now ill take the time to laugh at all the noobs that have done so :XD: . HAHAHAHA. you all suck. learn to play or stop entirely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS- "scumming up" is a real term. it was invented to decribe noobs like yourself swordwindiahgalkjhgl. noob =;

You insult my name, then I look at yours. :roll: "ZOMG I MUST PUT TEH L3TT3RS 1N MY N4M3 T0 L00k C00l 0MG IM 5UCH 4 w4nn4b3 h4X0r". Say my name fast, it sounds good to me. I got house lured, thats not covered by the update. Your opinion of luring basically adds up to "ANY0n3 WH0 H45 3v3r B33N SCAMM3D OR HAX3D MUST BE A NUBZ0R AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOwED TO PLAY". I just know your one of those 11 year olds who found this on miniclip.

Am I missing something here? Why would anyone be dumb enough to try trading by the wild?

Yeah, I 100% agree with that. i once got lured, and lost my whip. That guy told me that he pays 3 d b-axes to me when I let him kill me in wilderness. He said that he hits me as long as I have low hp, and then gives me 3 d b-axes. i got only whip with me first, and he was skulled.Well, then he was giving me 3 d b-axes, but did put one axe more in when I was just pressing accept button( and of course I didn't notice it)so I had 5 items in my inventory, and I could save only 4. item protected and he got my whip #-o felt little bit confused after it...but bought my whip back later.

i disagree with ure stance of reporting luring.

 

 

 

now that theres a giant ditch u gotta now ure goin in wildy.

Mod Burgess just updated the sticky too. Jagex has clarified the statement.

 

 

 

Meaning that 'Luring into the Wilderness' is no longer specifically legal or considered allowed by the rules. The wording has been changed so now it's clear that Jagex only considers it not to be a 'reportable' offence.

 

 

 

I'd ask all players to pay particular notice that 'Luring into the Wilderness' is considered an 'offence' though just not a reportable one.

 

 

 

> RuneScape Forums > PK-ing > Luring in to the Wilderness

 

 

Last edited on 13-Mar-2007 00:45:40 GMT by Mod Burgess

 

Luring in to the Wilderness

 

 

 

We do not consider Luring in to the Wilderness to be a reportable offence. We feel that the parameters of the Wilderness are sufficiently documented and that there are good indications that the area is dangerous. The warning screen before entering the Wilderness clearly explains that any player that enters the Wilderness is in danger of being killed and losing items. All players should take care when they are near any areas that they have not previously visited.

 

 

 

If you are trading near or in the Wilderness then it is important that you consider the documented dangers. You are at risk of being lured and player killed, which could lead to you losing any items that you are carrying.

 

 

 

If you are trading then we recommend that you avoid areas like the Wilderness, Edgeville and north Varrock. If you are uncomfortable with the arrangements of a trade then try and change them or cancel the offer. If you choose to trade in one of these areas then you do so at your own risk. It should be noted that there is never a reason for a trade to take place specifically in the Wilderness, and it is advised to refuse any such offers if they are not willing to trade outside of it.

 

 

 

While Luring is not a reportable offence, we do not consider it to be in the spirit of the game. Any player that chooses to lure other players accepts the possibility that they may lose the respect of other members of the community who choose to play the game in the spirit that it was intended.

 

 

 

For that reason Tip.It is taking the right stance on this issue, since Jagex never intended for players to be mislead and lured into the Wilderness.

 

 

 

Luring is not fair play :shame:

 

 

 

Regards, Fey.

 

 

 

How much did they pay you to say that?

 

 

 

If you get lured, you deserve it! Honestly!

 

 

 

"I'll buy your party hat set at the mage bank!"

 

 

 

God...

If a player makes a false assumption it is his fault. If I see you going to wild and follow you, "assuming" that you're going to give me a red p hat in level 20 wild for no particular reason and die, how is that fault yours? I made the choice to assume something. You didn't TELL me you were going to give me a red p hat, I just assumed it.

 

 

 

If someone follows you to multi, unless you TOLD them you were going to fight 1 on 1, the deception is in their assumption, not in any trickery of yours.

 

 

 

True.

 

 

 

If you are wearing expensive items and do not encourage or deceive them (using false pretences) about giving them any items, then they are obviously choosing to chase after and possibly PK you for that item.

 

 

 

PK-ing them in that case is legitimate PK-ing between players.

 

 

 

If however some players were to drop items just inside the Wilderness so as to be visible to those outside (a popular luring scam) that is bannable. Since it's deliberately being done in order to lure players into a dangerous area - luring them into the Wilderness under false pretences.

 

 

 

I am reliably told that is a scam and is reportable.

 

 

 

If players wish to confirm that they should message Jagex Customer Support of course, but that's what I've been informed is considered a luring into the Wilderness scam.

 

 

 

So simply: do not drop items simply in order to lure other players into the Wilderness, as you can be reported and you will be banned for it.

 

 

 

Regards, Fey.

 

 

 

Erm Fey, if they drop something you want in low lvl wildi, and you can see it outside of the wildi, couldn't you suckerpunch the lurer by telegrabbing?

 

 

 

I think I might try that. Really give the lurer a run for his money :-)

imo, I think luring should be allowed. If you try to sell something in the wilderness, it's your own fault that you die.

Incase your intrested, the post from jagex, even though posted by Mod Emilee was written by Andrew..... not a very important point though!

 

How much did they pay you to say that?

 

 

 

If you get lured, you deserve it! Honestly!

 

 

 

"I'll buy your party hat set at the mage bank!"

 

 

 

God...

 

 

 

Heh, thanks.

 

 

 

I'm glad you asked as this has helped prove my point.

 

 

 

As all players, who should know about RuneScape, are aware, Forum Moderators on the RuneScape Boards are volunteers from the community, much as Moderators on Tip.It are volunteers. We all give our time freely (which we could've used to level and enjoy the game) to help protect the player community.

 

 

 

We do our job in order to counteract activities which are destructive to the shared game-playing experience, and that ruin the game.

 

 

 

No one deserves to be scammed by another player deliberately lying about the dangers involved in the Wilderness.

 

 

 

If a player said to someone: "Come to the Mage Bank in your party hat. Oh, please be aware I or any other player can kill you on the way there, so be careful!", the victim would instantly be alerted to the danger.

 

 

 

Of course that destroys the 'act' of luring, but that's the point: Luring into the Wilderness under false pretences is a scam.

 

 

 

imo, I think luring should be allowed. If you try to sell something in the wilderness, it's your own fault that you die.

 

 

 

Similarly Brendan,

 

 

 

The fault in any scam simply does not lie with the victim. That's why players here on Tip.It and elsewhere took a stand to ensure Jagex was consistent. Those who deliberately lie and cheat other players won't be allowed to conduct their trade without fear of being removed from the community they abuse.

 

 

 

Every player in the game is a real person - it's role-play but at the same time it's also affecting others in the real world. All players must take responsibility for their actions with regard to other players.

 

 

 

As Andrew Gower said:

 

If the only way you can enjoy yourself is by taking advantage of others, then you aren't welcome here. Go play a different game, and everyone else can enjoy an improved community.

 

 

 

Good luck to them in finding that game though - I doubt there's any community that tolerates such abusers for long.

 

 

 

Regards

Does this mean we can report threads that are all about luring from single to multi combat?