Gin_and_Tonic Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Before any flamers, this is allowed. I pm'd a Moderator to ask if such a post was allowed, and (s)he said: A Moderator Said: So long as it's kept clean, give it a shot. Can't hurt to try. Keep it clean please. Anyway, so hereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s my argument. Obviously thereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s the simple black-on-white racism which has been in our heritage for thousands of years. But thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s not what I am talking about. IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m talking about, given the recent events, the Muslim race hate which has developed over the last few years, consequent of the actions of the hate filled dictators which ruled the countries, preaching the hate into its majorities. The acts of Al-Qaeda; 7/7 bombings, 9/11 bombings, and the recent foiled attempts of other underground bombing plots have brought hate to much of the Muslim community. Children, well 15-16 year olds, who read/watch news(papers) begin, mostly, to develop an un-easy comfort around certain people. Whether they are Muslim, or stereotypically look like one (they could just have a beard and be a victim). From this, many youths take it upon themselves to ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâinsultÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ or ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâneglectÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ who theyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ve dictated into being a ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâterroristÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢. (harsh, but being a 17 year old, I have seen this). However, the question is, is what theyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re doing actually wrong? One could argue itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s the Muslim minority actions which have lead to these prejudice actions of other faiths. However, another could argue we shouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t be influenced by the actions on the minorities and be racist the majority. What do you think? Feel free to express any racist or prejudice situations or examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemathonical Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 I'm not racist against Muslims or any race, its just some groups in the race that I don't like. Al Queda, KKK etc ^Sir Jem 05-The Bunny Drinking Blog?^ Click it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issy2 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 I'm not racist against Muslims or any race, its just some groups in the race that I don't like. Al Queda, KKK etc Does the Islamic religion suggest killing people if they won't convert? (Not sarcastic or anything, just I've never read it... so does anyone know exactly what it says about murder?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunapasa Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 I try to give everybody a chance, but I do feel uneasy around some people because of what somebody that looks like them has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Muslim groups recently campainged against selective "random" searching on the London Underground. but the fact of the matter is that the terrorists the the country is currently as risk from are young fanatical Muslim males in their 20's. It makes no sense to spot check an 80 year old white woman. Its not racist its criminal profiling. If i was in one of the southern American states looking for somone who unprovoked attacked a gay person I would first look to white males, possibly very strong Christian, who has a homophobic motive. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Depends how you would go about having a racial predujice, inviting others the beleive the same thing is unacceptable. However holding one, while detremental to our race doesn't actually hurt anyone. It may cause offence however. Also i heard about people debating the fact that the police called every middle eastern looking person out of a line at an air port as they had a tip off someone who was from the middle east was planning to blow up a plane. Is it right that they only did this? Of course it is, who would waste their time looking at everyone else just for the sake of poltical correctness? With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabola Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Muslim groups recently campainged against selective "random" searching on the London Underground. but the fact of the matter is that the terrorists the the country is currently as risk from are young fanatical Muslim males in their 20's. It makes no sense to spot check an 80 year old white woman. Its not racist its criminal profiling. He's right, you know. Anyway, you might want to change your title since there is no such word as 'prejudism'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_m23 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 i dont beleive that racism is ever really called for, but it does seem that it is the only way to express the feelings of a community. take the 2005 cronulla riots for example. The trigger for this was an assault on a local by a non local of middle eastern apearance. But the reason for so much anger was mainly because this was not an uncommon incident. At the very least once a week, leading up to this event you would be hearing about gang rapes/bashings by youths with ethnic appearences. But these people were hardly punished for there crimes because our government did not want to seem intolerent or racist. Even in schools the attitude was the same. When there was a fight that occured between a muslim and a non muslim, the end result usually was that the non muslim was suspended/expelled, and the muslim was given another warning. I remember one time an ethnic student in the grade above me knocked a teacher out cold, but was not punished the slightest. But other then the incidents i have mentioned, alot (not all) are rude and intollerent to everyone else, saying things like how they hate Australia and that there country is so much better. Or saying how all Aussie girls are 'easy' (i think you know what i really mean) and deserve to be raped. If the 5000 people that had showed up for the protest had stayed sober, i beleive that kind of racism that would have occured on that day would have been passable. But unfortunately they didnt. :wall: Oh and trust me there not all bad! iv got two good muslim mates, and there legends!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4u689 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Muslim groups recently campainged against selective "random" searching on the London Underground. but the fact of the matter is that the terrorists the the country is currently as risk from are young fanatical Muslim males in their 20's. It makes no sense to spot check an 80 year old white woman. Its not racist its criminal profiling. If i was in one of the southern American states looking for somone who unprovoked attacked a gay person I would first look to white males, possibly very strong Christian, who has a homophobic motive. The problem is precisely this: While most terrorists are young Muslim men, most Muslim men aren't terrorists. That means that when you search every single Muslim man, every time, the government is officially telling you that you aren't trusted. This makes you feel like an outsider (even when you're not) and less connected to the government. Like I said in another thread, I just returned from Israel, which I found fascinating. There, the profiling that exists is FAR more extreme than it is here (I'm sure you've all heard about checkpoints, etc.) The checkpoints do often work - and if you got rid of them, you wouldn't want to be the one responsible for a mother who gets blown up. HOWEVER, the checkpoint situation has created a dynamic where Muslims and Arabs feel unwelcome in the country. By looking at someone's skin color or name, their threat level is assessed as high. Imagine if you were such a person. How could you feel patriotic toward the country? Wouldn't you get angry? Wouldn't you feel unwelcome? Wouldn't you feel like a separate nation, and want no part with that country? Because that's exactly what is happening in Israel. The security does work to a large extent, in the short term - but it creates a worse situation in the long term. Why do you think terrorism exists? Precisely because so much hate exists (on both sides), and they feed into each other, and make each side more angry. On the Jewish Israeli side, security and military action (sometimes, IMO, excessive) increases. On the Arab/Muslim/Palestinian side, terrorist activity (or lack of caring to work for peace) increases. So, no, I don't think that racism/prejudice is ever justified. Even when it seems logical, the stereotypes you make assumptions about will only make those stereotypes become self-fulfilling prophecies. (When a Muslim is told all his life that he will become a terrorist, it's difficult to break out of that expectation, and maybe he will. When a black student is told all his life that he won't succeed, it's difficult to break out of that expectation, and maybe he won't.) Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futurama Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Everything's racist these days. On Sunday I went into Birmingham City Centre to shop and an asian woman wearing one of those religious headscarf things was caught stealing from a sports shop. She tried to deny it and said they were racist, but it's not racist, it's arresting a fricken criminal for stealing. Whilst the police search male 20 year old muslims on the london underground, I bet they search a lot of 20 year old whites, blacks and chinese too. Say in your lifetime you'd been bitten badly 3 times by dogs, but never touched by a cat. You wouldn't worry about stroking the cat, but the dog you'd probably be afraid of. That's why they search people in their 20s and teens, cause they're the ones who commit crimes most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_m23 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 ^thats true, in school whenever they get in trouble for somethings, no matter what it is, there first defence is the teacher/student is racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Before any flamers, this is allowed. I pm'd a Moderator to ask if such a post was allowed, and (s)he said: A Moderator Said: So long as it's kept clean, give it a shot. Can't hurt to try. Keep it clean please. Anyway, so hereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s my argument. Obviously thereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s the simple black-on-white racism which has been in our heritage for thousands of years. But thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s not what I am talking about. IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m talking about, given the recent events, the Muslim race hate which has developed over the last few years, consequent of the actions of the hate filled dictators which ruled the countries, preaching the hate into its majorities. The acts of Al-Qaeda; 7/7 bombings, 9/11 bombings, and the recent foiled attempts of other underground bombing plots have brought hate to much of the Muslim community. Children, well 15-16 year olds, who read/watch news(papers) begin, mostly, to develop an un-easy comfort around certain people. Whether they are Muslim, or stereotypically look like one (they could just have a beard and be a victim). From this, many youths take it upon themselves to ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâinsultÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ or ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâneglectÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ who theyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ve dictated into being a ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâterroristÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢. (harsh, but being a 17 year old, I have seen this). However, the question is, is what theyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re doing actually wrong? One could argue itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s the Muslim minority actions which have lead to these prejudice actions of other faiths. However, another could argue we shouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t be influenced by the actions on the minorities and be racist the majority. What do you think? Feel free to express any racist or prejudice situations or examples. It is wrong because you shouldn't blindly follow the propoganda the media sells you. Stereotypes aren't always true, including the quite damaging one that all terrorists are muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futurama Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 The thing is, it's not all muslims that are giving them a bad reputation, it's a select group and they're all bearing the grunt for it. It takes a lifetime to build a reputation and a few seconds to destroy it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4u689 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Whilst the police search male 20 year old muslims on the london underground, I bet they search a lot of 20 year old whites, blacks and chinese too. Say in your lifetime you'd been bitten badly 3 times by dogs, but never touched by a cat. You wouldn't worry about stroking the cat, but the dog you'd probably be afraid of. That's why they search people in their 20s and teens, cause they're the ones who commit crimes most. IF that were true, that would make sense. However, I don't think it is - racial profiling certainly does happen and is an accepted practice in the US, Israel, and (I'd presume but don't know for sure) the UK. Everybody hug and spread the love :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futurama Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Well, they do have the reputation for it. Most of the areas populated by asians and blacks around here are really rough, and many when I drive past them have signs up saying "robbers are active in this area," so they're obviously high crime areas. I hate to be branded a racist but it's true, a lot of the minority areas here are heavy on the crime front, and that's why racial profiling exists. A lot of immigrants, legal or otherwise, rely on benefits, and because it's not enough for them, they simply steal what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Too Far Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 i think its totaly unjust it are just maybe in total 1000 of milions of muslims around the world who do that kind of stuf (maybe i think like that cause holland tries to stay out of those wars?) and i also got a few muslim people in my clas who are amongst the friendlyst people i ever met so i think its totaly unjust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death_By_Pod Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 but the fact of the matter is that the terrorists the the country is currently as risk from are young fanatical Muslim males in their 20's. It makes no sense to spot check an 80 year old white woman. Its not racist its criminal profiling. So who is a Muslim, religion transcends 'race'; so profiling by race only would be inherently flawed. You think that these 'terrorists' would be so stupid not to use their white friends to carry out the more riskier operations? Oh hey look its the 68 year old female suicide bomber from last November http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378463201&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull; Better start profiling them grandmothers too. Or how about Robert Cottage a 49 year old white male in possession of explosives http://www.burnleycitizen.co.uk/display.var.951775.0.exbnp_man_faces_explosives_charge.php; Better start profiling them old white grandfathers too. Not to mention GuantÃÆÃâÃâánamo Bay detainees Bisher Al-Rawi (37, British citizen; doesn't look like a stereotypical 'terrorist') or David Hicks (31, white Australian). Come off it, it's a really stupid thing to even begin profiling when there are so many exceptions to the rule it's not funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issy2 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 but the fact of the matter is that the terrorists the the country is currently as risk from are young fanatical Muslim males in their 20's. It makes no sense to spot check an 80 year old white woman. Its not racist its criminal profiling. So who is a Muslim, religion transcends 'race'; so profiling by race only would be inherently flawed. You think that these 'terrorists' would be so stupid not to use their white friends to carry out the more riskier operations? Oh hey look its the 68 year old female suicide bomber from last November http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378463201&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull; Better start profiling them grandmothers too. Or how about Robert Cottage a 49 year old white male in possession of explosives http://www.burnleycitizen.co.uk/display.var.951775.0.exbnp_man_faces_explosives_charge.php; Better start profiling them old white grandfathers too. Not to mention GuantÃÆÃâÃâánamo Bay detainees Bisher Al-Rawi (37, British citizen; doesn't look like a stereotypical 'terrorist') or David Hicks (31, white Australian). Come off it, it's a really stupid thing to even begin profiling when there are so many exceptions to the rule it's not funny. The fact is, though, you've only provided us with about six elderly white terrorists. There are far, far, more young Asian terrorists that we know of. You can't blame the public for stereotyping when so many of the recent terrorists have been Asian. No offence to Asians... I have nothing against Asians. The public know about more Asian terrorists than white terrorists. It may not be just, but that's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 David Hicks is held without charge :uhh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_m23 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 ^for 5 years now i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Yea; it's about time they actually charged him with something or let him go. That's right - THEY'VE GOT NOTHING TO WORK WITH. Yay justice :uhh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_m23 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Actually i saw on the news a couple of days ago that johny has finally spoken up to his master george bush about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 The fact is, though, you've only provided us with about six elderly white terrorists. There are far, far, more young Asian terrorists that we know of. You can't blame the public for stereotyping when so many of the recent terrorists have been Asian. No offence to Asians... I have nothing against Asians. The public know about more Asian terrorists than white terrorists. It may not be just, but that's the way it is. Arabs... not Asians, rofl :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issy2 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 The fact is, though, you've only provided us with about six elderly white terrorists. There are far, far, more young Asian terrorists that we know of. You can't blame the public for stereotyping when so many of the recent terrorists have been Asian. No offence to Asians... I have nothing against Asians. The public know about more Asian terrorists than white terrorists. It may not be just, but that's the way it is. Arabs... not Asians, rofl Sorry. My bad. Still it would be appreciated if you wouldn't use the word 'rofl' in your posts when pointing out someone else's mistakes. It gives your post a very negative unfriendly feel to it. Thanks for the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1216 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Racism and prejudice is never, ever, acceptable. ever. I think you all would have quite the different viewpoint if it started happening to YOU. But then again, most of you in favor of profiling never have experienced the actual humiliation of being racially profiled, so whats the point in trying to tell you anything? As for whoever asked the question, the Koran does not advocate violence in any way. You might want to think about the fact that as far as religions go, the most people have been tortured, killed and dehumanized in the name of Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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