A suggestion to the players: A way around the new trade sys.

Overview: Using useless items to fill in the >3k difference in trades.

Example:

Player A wants to give Player B a 300k item.

Player A puts the 300k item up, Player B puts up 300k (GE price) worth of Willow Longbow (u).

Trade sucessful.

The idea came to me when I noticed I had 35m worth of unstrung willows.

Theres a cabbageload of useless items to fill in the gap.

So in short, you're saying that RWT'ers are not totally shot and are back in business? :ohnoes:

This means Jagex and all the 'legal & innocent' players will still continue to suffer badly. #-o ... I guess no one is out of the woods then as of yet. More Borked Updates to come soon, then? :cry:

~Mr. Devnull

Can you say steel platebody abuse?

i guess theres a way around everything that jagex puts up. i dont think runescape will ever completely get rid of rwts

I N00b and don't really get this... :roll:

so bsaically..the one player gives 300k for 300k in items..? how does that work? Player B doesn't get anything since he spent 300k on the items.

This will be an easy way to explain things.

Example:

Dirk and John are the two players.

Dirk wants to get cash quickly by contacting a Real-World Trader, John.

So this is what they did:

1. Dirk pays John by Credit Card to buy 1Million rs coins.

2. Dirk gets 1,000,000 buckets and sells them in the Grand Exchange.

3. John buys them for 1Million rs coins.

4. Trade Succesful!!!

Conclusion:

This way, John and all Real-World Traders can still do Bussiness in RuneScape after all the changes they did. Even though, collecting 1,000,000 buckets takes time, we still havent solved the ability to scrap out the Real-World Traders.

Thanks for posting the idea man. And Sorry for all the RuneScape Players for this very bad news.

So you're saying tha we can use all the useless skilling leftovers (like willong longbows (u)) to trade with?

This will be an easy way to explain things.

 

 

 

Example:

 

Dirk and John are the two players.

 

 

 

Dirk wants to get cash quickly by contacting a Real-World Trader, John.

 

So this is what they did:

 

 

 

1. Dirk pays John by Credit Card to buy 1Million rs coins.

 

2. Dirk gets 1,000,000 buckets and sells them in the Grand Exchange.

 

3. John buys them for 1Million rs coins.

 

4. Trade Succesful!!!

 

 

 

Conclusion:

 

This way, John and all Real-World Traders can still do Bussiness in RuneScape after all the changes they did. Even though, collecting 1,000,000 buckets takes time, we still havent solved the ability to scrap out the Real-World Traders.

 

 

 

Thanks for posting the idea man. And Sorry for all the RuneScape Players for this very bad news.

no one would collect/buy 1million buckets for 1m. that would take forever, and If they bought the buckets it would cost more than one million gold.

This will be an easy way to explain things.

 

 

 

Example:

 

Dirk and John are the two players.

 

 

 

Dirk wants to get cash quickly by contacting a Real-World Trader, John.

 

So this is what they did:

 

 

 

1. Dirk pays John by Credit Card to buy 1Million rs coins.

 

2. Dirk gets 1,000,000 buckets and sells them in the Grand Exchange.

 

3. John buys them for 1Million rs coins.

 

4. Trade Succesful!!!

 

 

 

Conclusion:

 

This way, John and all Real-World Traders can still do Bussiness in RuneScape after all the changes they did. Even though, collecting 1,000,000 buckets takes time, we still havent solved the ability to scrap out the Real-World Traders.

 

 

 

Thanks for posting the idea man. And Sorry for all the RuneScape Players for this very bad news.

 

 

 

no one would collect/buy 1million buckets for 1m. that would take forever, and If they bought the buckets it would cost more than one million gold.

+1. Dirk could probably have easily made several million gp himself before he managed to get his paws on a million buckets. What's happened is that the RWTer has received real money for nothing because the customer has done 1 mill gp's worth of work, and received his pay for his efforts.

Besides, the GE prices aren't perfect yet, and perhaps there is a need for some decimal place value (ie. a tenth of a gp) for items such as buckets, because with items like this which are bought in bulk, the difference between 1 gp each and 2gp each is huge.

Anyway, unbalanced trade hasn't come in yet at 100%, so RWTing still exists. It's just that most of them have got the idea and packed up and left.

In conclusion, there is nothing illegal here, because Dirk isn't paying for his money. He's just paying.

This will be an easy way to explain things.

 

 

 

Example:

 

Dirk and John are the two players.

 

 

 

Dirk wants to get cash quickly by contacting a Real-World Trader, John.

 

So this is what they did:

 

 

 

1. Dirk pays John by Credit Card to buy 1Million rs coins.

 

2. Dirk gets 1,000,000 buckets and sells them in the Grand Exchange.

 

3. John buys them for 1Million rs coins.

 

4. Trade Succesful!!!

 

 

 

Conclusion:

 

This way, John and all Real-World Traders can still do Bussiness in RuneScape after all the changes they did. Even though, collecting 1,000,000 buckets takes time, we still havent solved the ability to scrap out the Real-World Traders.

 

 

 

Thanks for posting the idea man. And Sorry for all the RuneScape Players for this very bad news.

 

no one would collect/buy 1million buckets for 1m. that would take forever, and If they bought the buckets it would cost more than one million gold.

 

+1. Dirk could probably have easily made several million gp himself before he managed to get his paws on a million buckets. What's happened is that the RWTer has received real money for nothing because the customer has done 1 mill gp's worth of work, and received his pay for his efforts.

 

 

 

Besides, the GE prices aren't perfect yet, and perhaps there is a need for some decimal place value (ie. a tenth of a gp) for items such as buckets, because with items like this which are bought in bulk, the difference between 1 gp each and 2gp each is huge.

 

 

 

Anyway, unbalanced trade hasn't come in yet at 100%, so RWTing still exists. It's just that most of them have got the idea and packed up and left.

 

 

 

In conclusion, there is nothing illegal here, because Dirk isn't paying for his money. He's just paying.

Actually, there is something illegal going on here, will_holmes. Dirk is being scammed out of his IRL $$$ by John, as well as their promised-but-totally-illegal gp. So it is more than just RWT-gone-incomplete, it is also theft by the RWT'er of Dirk's IRL money, and all because Dirk was not smart enough to not fall into the trap.

Kinda sad, when ya think about it. :(

~Mr. Devnull

You silly sillyheads. Nobody would use difficult-to-get buckets when it would be far easier to abuse the low player price on unstrung bows versus the unreasonably high minimum grand exchange price on said bows, especially when said bows are in abundance.

Consider steel platebodies. Smiths with no high alch want to sell them for maybe 900-1k. There are lots of these smiths. The person interested in buying gold can probably buy as many platebodies as he likes, then sell them for their "minimum value" in trade to the gold farmer. The minimum value will likely never fall below the alch value, and therefore the gold buyer makes 300 or more gold on each plate he buys- at a cost of course, but the point stands.

I don't get this...why would you waste MORE gp to fill in the gap? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you pay your 30 bucks or whatever it is for your 1bil gp, WHY would you then go COMPLETELY out of your way to collect 1bil worth of items just so you can trade??? Aren't you (the buyer, not the farmer) the fool?

This will be an easy way to explain things.

 

 

 

Example:

 

Dirk and John are the two players.

 

 

 

Dirk wants to get cash quickly by contacting a Real-World Trader, John.

 

So this is what they did:

 

 

 

1. Dirk pays John by Credit Card to buy 1Million rs coins.

 

2. Dirk gets 1,000,000 buckets and sells them in the Grand Exchange.

 

3. John buys them for 1Million rs coins.

 

4. Trade Succesful!!!

 

 

 

Conclusion:

 

This way, John and all Real-World Traders can still do Bussiness in RuneScape after all the changes they did. Even though, collecting 1,000,000 buckets takes time, we still havent solved the ability to scrap out the Real-World Traders.

 

 

 

Thanks for posting the idea man. And Sorry for all the RuneScape Players for this very bad news.

You do realize in the time it takes to get 1,000,000 buckets a player could probaly get 10,000,000 through standard methods of playing.

I don't get this...why would you waste MORE gp to fill in the gap? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you pay your 30 bucks or whatever it is for your 1bil gp, WHY would you then go COMPLETELY out of your way to collect 1bil worth of items just so you can trade??? Aren't you (the buyer, not the farmer) the fool?

That's what the farmers are counting on. :( ....... Therefore, all 'honest & legitimate' players need to keep watch and report these rule-breaking scum.

~Mr. Devnull

This will be an easy way to explain things.

 

 

 

Example:

 

Dirk and John are the two players.

 

 

 

Dirk wants to get cash quickly by contacting a Real-World Trader, John.

 

So this is what they did:

 

 

 

1. Dirk pays John by Credit Card to buy 1Million rs coins.

 

2. Dirk gets 1,000,000 buckets and sells them in the Grand Exchange.

 

3. John buys them for 1Million rs coins.

 

4. Trade Succesful!!!

 

 

 

Conclusion:

 

This way, John and all Real-World Traders can still do Bussiness in RuneScape after all the changes they did. Even though, collecting 1,000,000 buckets takes time, we still havent solved the ability to scrap out the Real-World Traders.

 

 

 

Thanks for posting the idea man. And Sorry for all the RuneScape Players for this very bad news.

 

no one would collect/buy 1million buckets for 1m. that would take forever, and If they bought the buckets it would cost more than one million gold.

 

+1. Dirk could probably have easily made several million gp himself before he managed to get his paws on a million buckets. What's happened is that the RWTer has received real money for nothing because the customer has done 1 mill gp's worth of work, and received his pay for his efforts.

 

 

 

Besides, the GE prices aren't perfect yet, and perhaps there is a need for some decimal place value (ie. a tenth of a gp) for items such as buckets, because with items like this which are bought in bulk, the difference between 1 gp each and 2gp each is huge.

 

 

 

Anyway, unbalanced trade hasn't come in yet at 100%, so RWTing still exists. It's just that most of them have got the idea and packed up and left.

 

 

 

In conclusion, there is nothing illegal here, because Dirk isn't paying for his money. He's just paying.

 

Actually, there is something illegal going on here, will_holmes. Dirk is being scammed out of his IRL $$$ by John, as well as their promised-but-totally-illegal gp. So it is more than just RWT-gone-incomplete, it is also theft by the RWT'er of Dirk's IRL money, and all because Dirk was not smart enough to not fall into the trap.

 

 

 

Kinda sad, when ya think about it. :(

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

Sorry, I needed to clarify. I mean 'illegal' as in 'breaking the Code of Conduct'. Sure, it is a real life scam, and a slightly clever one at that, but there is no case of actual RWTing here. There is a legitimate trade of buckets and gp, so that doesn't break the rules. Dirk thought he was paying for his gp with real life money, but he was actually paying for his money with a million buckets.

I appreciate that John still got his money, but the problem with RWTing was that those who bought gp with rl cash got their gp. The customer would then have faith in the black market and buy more gp with cash, and also spread the word to others. Now, it is only possible via scams of real life cash. As more and more people discover this, then nobody will try to buy money any more. Result: it is unprofitable for the gold sellers, which is exactly what Jagex intended.

In responce to the previous post.

It is still quite profitable for the RWT'er, aslong as thier buyer has alot of useless(most likely skill leftovers) items.

The buyer could buy the thousands of leftover items left in general stores for low prices, then use thier Grand Exchange price to fill in the trade gap.

In responce to the previous post.

 

 

 

 

 

It is still quite profitable for the RWT'er, aslong as thier buyer has alot of useless(most likely skill leftovers) items.

 

 

 

The buyer could buy the thousands of leftover items left in general stores for low prices, then use thier Grand Exchange price to fill in the trade gap.

That's basically the kind of thing that was mentioned at the beginning of this thread. :|

~Mr. Devnull

lol Then many people make many willow (u) and then the ge price drops due to the mass # of them in the economy till tehy are worthless to even trading. :S

The clan I am in also noticed you can trade your useless burned fish for items.

If I wanted to sell herbs to my friends at lower price, they put up the cash they are paying and make up the difference in useless junk.

The way JaGeX are thinking about doing the item lending thing is terrible, I am often lagged out or disconnected so lending a friend my dlong for 2 mins isn't worth it, so to get around this they can trade me useless items, then trade back when done :-$ :-w \ :thumbsup:

This is bad. If the RWT people can still trade now, then the updte has no effect. That means more stupid and idiotic updates!

So in short, you're saying that RWT'ers are not totally shot and are back in business? :ohnoes:

 

 

 

This means Jagex and all the 'legal & innocent' players will still continue to suffer badly. #-o ... I guess no one is out of the woods then as of yet. More Borked Updates to come soon, then? :cry:

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

Oh noes,

Well this is still a good idea!

I've recently thought of another way around the trade system: runecrafting with runners.

The catch is that in this case, the runners aren't paid. For example, a runner trades 26 essence while the crafter trades 13 nats. This is a rough example, but it could potentially be used for RWT.

The thing is, the trades are even. But the RWT bots/ people-running-for-real-world-money do the running for the crafter, allowing the crafter to have an insanely high rate of income.

But, I admit, willow longs (u) are still an easier way to RWT, until bogus prices are fixed.

Player A can not give anything to player B

They put up a 300k item playerB then gives 300k worth of willow bows(u)

That is 300k that player B could have got from selling the bows on the ge.

Player A can now regain his 300k loss by selling the bows in the ge.

therefore the new trade rules work fine.

Player A can not give anything to player B

 

 

 

They put up a 300k item playerB then gives 300k worth of willow bows(u)

 

 

 

That is 300k that player B could have got from selling the bows on the ge.

 

 

 

Player A can now regain his 300k loss by selling the bows in the ge.

 

 

 

therefore the new trade rules work fine.

No. You don't understand. I was thinking about this RWT method before and I'm glad someone posted it in here.

It revolves around jagex's stupid (imo) to set a minimum cap at which items can be traded on the GE. [For my, and others views on this please see later pages of the thread 'Has Jagex Forced Prices up of Items that were Undervalued?' in the General Discussion].

Most notably with Yew Longs (s).

I thought this had been explained quite clearly but I will give an example:

Right now, from 'buying' fletching I have 22,924 Unstringed Willow longbows.

Stringing them is simply not worth the effort when I could use the strings on unstrung yews, etc. Now, these unstrung bows are totally useless to me.

How much could I sell these to other players? Perhaps 20gp ea if I'm lucky. The minimum price in the GE is SET BY JAGEX at 88gp each.

Of course, noone is going to buy them for that price because they have very little/no use.

Their REAL market value would be about 20 (general store buys them for 16gp).

Their 'JAGEX' market value is set at 88gp. (of course there is no volume of willow longs traded on the GE at the price)

Now see where the problem is?

I (hypothetically) want to RWT with my friend 'Steve'.

I give him $8(or whatever it sells for) in return for ~ 820k runescape gp

I trade him 11364 of my willow longs (which are basically worthless to me) and which have a 'market' price of 88gp each.

My 'value' of trade is 1,000,032

He gives me 1mil gp

Understand?

Now he can go sell the willow longs (in lots of 50) to the general store for 16gp each, making back 181k.

My loss:

11364 willow longs (value at 16gp each ~181k)

$8 money

My gain:

1mil rs gp

Net total:

$8 RL money traded for 820k RS money

This can also be done with yew longs

This is all a consequence from the silly silly idea to set a minimum cap on the price we can trade items (Willow long (u), Yew Longs(s) 704gp, etc.)

The 'market' price is NOT the player price that they are valued in the economy.