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In Finnish we got a saying f-ing the dot. You're doing it at the moment. I gave you military interventions, I gave you a link for more and you still aren't happy. You just keep crying about that. OK, took me 30 secs to look at the link I posted: * Air strikes to Libya in 1986. * Bombing Iran in 1987 * 2 Libyan jet sets shot down 1989. Is that enough of bombing to you or will you do a bit of that dot thing? If you now somehow still get to argue that airstrike doesn't count for this, you can forget the whole argue about this. My point was that Jerusalem has had too many owners and is too important and general place for many religions that it's impossible to say who is the rightful owner. Btw earlier you told me to go read my history books again. Now I tell it to you: how long was Finland under the reign of Soviet Union? We've been an autonomic part of Russia and got our independency 5 years before whole Soviet system was even found. We didn't have a war against Russia to get our independency, but we had 2 wars against the Soviet Union to keep our independency. How should the Soviet Union have had the reason to claim our lands? TBH we should actually claim some areas back we lost in wars, after all they were part of autonomic Finland during the reign of Sweden, during the reign of Russian, during the first decades of our independency and for centuries they have been the property of Finnish tribes. From your text at least I get the feeling that you support the power of one in Jerusalem. And for your peacefulness with jews... What happened in Iberia in 1492? What about the persecution of jews in 1400th century? You also forget that during the times when muslims conquered Jerusalem, they didn't convert anyone else than arabs to islam, at least not forced to join the same way how christians forced people to turn into christians just few centuries ago. When I get into the crimes made by christians, you hide under an excuse of "well first crusade..", start crying about which should be called bombing, do they bomb exactly right place and so on. Now I'm asking you: Do you accept the things your forefathers did? Can you explain why they did it? Do they have anything to do with your religion? Which is worse, a terrorist group hijacking a plane and riding it to wtc killing some thousands, or the headmaster of religion sending troops to kill hundreds of thousands? Why is it so superior? Because they got economical and military power which are from the imperialist-coloniast times. At the moment it's economically better for non-western countries to adapt into their system and live with them than follow their own path. If you ask me, cultures should stay as individuals, not convert or be converted into one massculture. So christians some decades ago weren't real christians? The Pope wasn't real christian? Btw as you're so much into that acceptance of killing in islam, please find me the chapters from Koran where it is allowed. I tried to, but couldn't find any. They are so much praised that every muslim I know judged the riots agaist the "mohammed pics" if you remember that case. In that case they didn't accept the pictures, but even less accepted the riots against them. Again, that would be a country vs country. If your goverment gave support to it, it would be same as Pearl Harbour was to you. If it went into a full America vs Finland war, I wouldn't be surprised if some suicide bombers came. After all they are surprisingly good way for psycological war against an enemy which is a lot stronger. Also most likely after your troops took over Finland same way you took Iraq, you wouldn't lose 3,000 troops in 6 years. You would lose a lot more; we got a lot stronger military than Iraq, we got over 300,000 man reserve and around 90% of finnish men have gotten at least 6 month military training before the age of 25. We wouldn't have just some random bandits shooting every now and then, we would have an organised military. What caused this terrorism? Why are they attacking only certain nations. Look at your politics and you might find the answer. By accepting I meant the newest war in Iraq, not the Gulf War. I agree that you got the right to do something for stopping the support of terrorists there. For the doings of Iraq, I'd say they were more like playing with fire than actively going for war. To experience the same as we did, you shouldn't compare it that way. We got attacked by a bigger nation. 50 Times bigger (now talking in population) would mean 14,922,210,750 in your case if that 298m is true. If you managed to survive from 2 wars against a nation which is that big and ahead of you in military technology, I'll bow to west every morning I wake up. Note that the Soviet Union even tried to fake it in a way that Finland would have attacked them. Internationally this try was judged immediately and later Yeltsin for example has stated that the cannonballs actually came from their side. For more info on this you can read about the shelling of Mainila. Wikipedia for example has a short (too short imo) info on that.

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the point is im not an rs2 product like 95%+ of the population... Want a cookie for it? I would really count a char with almost no RSC stats and totally unknown name for same category as people who actually have managed to do something in that game. Good thing for you if you get something out of that date, but I give more respect to someone with 1500 total and who has never played rsc than to you, 1466 who hasn't seriously played rsc.

Erm who are you? Just because you created a char in 2002 it doesn't mean you would anyone worth remembering.

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I gave you military interventions starting from 1950s and you're still crying about that. Rightful owners? First of all Jerusalem has had countless of owners, including Romans. Second, it's the holy place of 3 big religions. Saying one religion would be its rightful owner is just wrong. You also didn't give an answer why Christians attacked against other religions which weren't even close to Jerusalem, didn't do any religious imperialism and so on? I'd like to find out Finland for example had anything to do with muslims, Jerusalem or anything like that. Heck, our religion wasn't even monoteistic like yours or Islam. Muslims have had the most multiculturally succesful system ever when compared to their time: look at the old muslim time Spain. So now we're putting Christian extremists and muslim extremists into 2 different categories. If you ask me, there's no difference between an idiot (think that word can be used from extremists) who is part of a different religion. From your writings at least I get the feeling that you are trying to say that Islam is bad because there's some aggressive parts in their holy book. Please read Joshua 4 or Samuel 15 for example and you get something about war from your own holy book. We got into Japan after you were praising the way how west has threatened other cultures and how it was so superior. I argued it with the way how west has threatened them. If you want to discuss more about imperialism, let's do it in some other thread. I'm ready to continue but if we keep doing it here, we would soon both write novels. And all the time you are arguing against that principal. By judging muslims and accepting their different threatening in airports for example, you already have put them into 2nd category. I accept defending against other nations when you are being under attack with another army. That's why I have given support for Iraq for example. How many muslim nations declared a war against you? How many troops attacked your country? Just because some terrorist groups attacked you, it doesn't mean you would be in same kind of a danger as when over 50 times bigger country waged a war and sent their troops over your boarder.

1 toadflax seed: 38.5*7+34= 303.5xp, includes planting but not super composts. 114 toadflax seeds = 114*303.5xp = 34,599xp Your current xp + that = 42,362+34,599 = 76,961 Level you would get = 447 114 toadflax seeds = 798 toadflax herbs 798 agility potions = 798*80 = 63,840xp Your current xp + that xp = 129,850+63,840=193,690 Level you would get = 56 This calculation isn't accurate as we just can't know it for sure how many herbs you would get from those seeds. According to my calculations 7 herbs per seed is pretty close to the real one with magic secateurs and super compost, but you'd just need few lucky shots to get it a lot higher or few unlucky patches to get it a lot lower as you got only 114 seeds. For more info on herb farming, look at my guide. Link can be found from my sig.

If we go into this, fine. - Persian gulf - Afganistan 2001 - Iraq 2002 There's your decades if we really start having you-know-what with dots. Not enough? Fine. - 1956 marines in Egypt. If that doesn't count for the near east, then lets get on... - 1958 Lebanon marines vs rebels. - 1958 nuclear threat against Iraq. Should be enough of examples of that. More can be found from http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossma ... tions.html 1. Yet, Crusades were led by the Pope, headmaster of your religion. 2. How can you compare that to brutal massacres where tons of people lost their lives mainly (but not always!) because of their religion? Don't forget that many Aztecs died to plagues and virology wasn't known about in those days. 3. The crusades weren't only against muslims. Look at the taking over of Finland for example. There were muslims nowere near us and they didn't even affect us any way. I've written one essay on this earlier. It can be read at http://sekolust.vuodatus.net/blog/categ ... %28eng.%29 Your doings in Japan started before the whole damn Soviet Union was even seriously thought of or the monsterous things in Nankin had even started. Your invasion to Asia and to Japan started on totally different century than the Nanking scene, the foundation of the Soviet Union or WW2. What's your point here? I seriously don't understand it how you took Winter war and Continual war here when we're talking about muslims. Those things got nothing to do with each other: * Like I said, country vs country wars can't be compared to country vs religion war. * We had millions of people less living in our whole country than Moscow had. Our war technology was nowhere near compared to the Soviet ones, even tho they weren't the top class yet. If a real military conflict would now start against islam, the odds would be a alot more equal than in our wars. * We got literally attacked. The planes were bombing our soil, cannons roaming and troopers coming across the boards. That's totally different than random terrorist attacks done by a really small minority of muslims. Hellbellz, I can live with religions as long as they don't affect to my life or try to destroy any else's life either. At the moment (and never in history) this has worked as well as French have done in wars: it just hasn't been going well. Str0wez, I wouldn't call those religions in the "true" meaning of that word. I believe in human mind and rational thinking, but that doesn't mean I would be religious.

Construction: * You need to spend a lot of cash. Even at the cheapest way it's dirty expensive and can't really be done on cheaper ways. Also has pretty much no way to get profit out of it. * Unlike in most of the other skills, training doesn't get any faster at higher levels.

Atheist, officially don't belong to any religion.

I meant the birth place in a larger scale: the area where it has evolved into what it is now, spread and so on. If you still don't get it, it's the Near East. Seriously, you need to be more open minded. With that logic you should stop every single person and do serious security tests. No man is more dangerous than any other in general: what reads in your papers at the religion field means nothing. By judging every muslim before hand you just dig your own grave. What I've seen with my own eyes, yankees won't be that cooperative. I've personally worked with tourists and most of the yankees ones didn't give a damn about security rules. Even Zambians who didn't speak any same language as I understood the rules better than those yankees who got them in both spoken and written form. What do you mean with this? It has spread a lot more peaceful way than Christianity did. I'm refering to how they are being threated, the way you are acting for example. I'm refering to how you are judging them all just because of few lunatics. I'm refering to how you are attacking their countries and putting up proxy goverments. You already had your holy wars in Crusades which were many times bloodier than these "Jihads" declared by random terrorist groups. Now you got your wars against terrorism which got as much to do with a war against terrorism as Hiroshima or Nagasaki had with human rights. The problem is western culture. In our minds it's like "be like us or be against us." We've seen it through history: how we threated other countries during the colonial imperialist times. How we threated Japan and other asian countries before and after WW2, how we threated the Soviet Union. That's not even worth wasting my time on answering. Can't really compare a country vs country war and country vs religion fight.

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A char which can do pretty much everything. I personally don't see any point in lvl 3 skillers; they lack many possibilities (can't go to certain areas, wear some items, can't train many skills, etc), they are nothing new anymore and you gotta pay too big attention on not getting xp on certain skills.

If I was only up for buying, I'd be doing 200k+ xp day :P Can't afford true buying yet, so gotta do it a bit slower way.

How much xp is this w16 company per hour?

These are best and worst because of their mental part, not because of loot. Best: * First full rune kill. Killed Raimus for it, that name might ring bells for someone. He was after my rl bro at hobs, I went for a revenge and got it. We had quite a big rivalry for some time, but eventually became good friends. Don't ask how :P http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/hohto/raimus.jpg * Lizard PP. He had been running his mouth for a while and found him in a team vs team battle. He disappeared at one point, came back and I was ready to fight him till death. It's funny how he says he didn't bank and in the screenshot he says "no food", even tho after a brutal 3hit the ground is full of swordfish :P * Charlie 187. Really bad loot, but really funny kill. I hit pretty badly, but had catch over him (this was in RSC) and it seemed like no matter what it did, I caught him. I was hitting zeros and laughing in real life. http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/hohto/charlie_187.PNG * Archer Hulk2: Had personal problems against him and had sworn to get his head. Was pretty typical caught to death kill. http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/hohto/archer_hulk2.PNG * Stevie J. He had totally owned both me and my best mate Mikav same time. Saw him coming at Edgeville skeletons, potted and 3hit from full hp at the first round. Never been that surprised from a kill. http://koti.mbnet.fi/hohtava/hohto/stevie_j.jpg Worst: * Red lining Swifty Mcvay and seeing him log after that. Had quite a big problems with him and his head would have been worth a lot to me. Later he of course denyed everything and after posting a screenshot he started to moan a dm. Went for it and lost, but wasn't a miracle as he was over 10 combat levels and around 10hp levels higher. * Duying to King Burger. Had quite a big problems with him and his RL bro. Duying for him was the last thing I would have happened to experience.

1. It can be soloed. That way you get every kill. 1,5. Even if you got every 4th kill, you got a lot bigger chances to get a d chain from kq than from dusties. 2. Kq drops also profitable items. If I wanted to get another d chain drop, I'd definately buy/borrow veracs and go after kq. The chances are so much better for that, would probably take a day or 2 to get one, instead of months at dusties. note for everyone talking about the day or 2 I talked: So far I've counted 224 kalphite queen loots and 4 has been chains. Of course still with these amounts we can't say anything for sure about ratios, but it looks like it's under 1 to 100.

4 Teeth of wisdom removed from my mouth. Pretty nasty feeling, specially my lower right as it was too tightly there. First it was supposed to come out easily, but after a lot of pulling (or whatever that operation is called :P ) it just stayed there. Was crushed into pieces and gotten away that way.

If USA has bombed the birth places of their religion for decades, supported people who are totally against them and so on, should they just sit down at vote for people who like Kerry who get more votes but still not become presidents? By judging every single one of them, it's the same as we would judge all yankees to be fat. After all, there's percentually (and probably by raw amount too) fat yankees and radical muslims. Islam is the 2nd biggest and the fastest growing religion in the whole world. They are getting threatened wrongly, so of course a lot of radical extremists are there. If you start your own holy war against whole religion, you are doomed. If you want to have less attacks against you, you should live together, not fight. By having pretty openly anti-islamic politic, you are just throwing gasoline to a fire. edit: By putting muslims into a different group than yourselves or everyone else, you don't protect yourselves. That way you feed the gab, give another reason to argue and just cut your own branch.

Where would have I gone? :P

Don't blame me, blame the capitalist pigs out there :o

I give a lot more respect to pkers who attack skillers than to skillers who wear junk armour in wildy. It's wilderness and killing is the main part of it. It also has many unwritten laws which you either seem to have skipped or at least not understood.

More and more people are going and will go for 200m, but I don't believe it would become a real trend. There's many easier ways to get recognised than that and not too many people have the guts to work that hard just for ranks. Look at attack for example. We got one dude with 200m xp, one with almost 155m and under 10 with over 100m. That shows really well how people are working: only the best of the best are willing to get that sick amounts of xp. I believe after 1 year we'll have around 40 cooks with 200m xp, ~30-40 fletchers with it, maybe 15 in melee skills (in all of them together) and 10-15 thieves. Few archers, hunters, firemakers and woodcutters might also join the club, but they are some random hippies. We won't see any 200m xp farmers, construction men, slayers or agility freaks in at least one and half years unless those skills get a huge update.

Added buying strategies how to buy seeds. Hopefully it helps some of you.

Song: Deathlike Silence - six feet under the ground Album: Deathlike Silence = Vigor Mortis Their debyt album and it for sure sounds better than any other debyt album has sounded for few years. If miracles don't happen, we'll hear about them in future.