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Not sayin' much since I don't really know Exodus that well, but I think they would've wrecked DH straight up ;P, regardless, good clan, DH..

I was wondering, if I wanted to be shown on the F2P toplist, would it show my total level for all skills, or just F2P skills?

Article about macros: If you go on F2P and do normal F2P actions, you can see sooooo many bots, it isn't even funny. The autotyper is clearly the most common, but that's not a real bot. The only thing keeping that character from logging out is the constant typing program. I see bots mining, killing hill giants, straight training, you name it, they are probably doing it. At least that's the case on F2P. For the most part, I've seen a lot of the bots to be male avatars, with black hair and/or black pants. But besides those common features (which not all bots have), they are literally undetectable. And sometimes, even then they have a human playing for them, that or they're programmed so well, that they react differently to each situation! It's not fair. It's not right. And Jagex isn't doing anything about it.

Well, thanks for the info on Easters. I'll have to look into it more.. And I read on Rsof that it's actually very easy to get Easter eggs on the G.E., just sayin'..

I'll support it for the sake of F2P boss monsters/massable places. Needs things beyond improvement though (just not a concept I prefer :unsure: ). Well-made supported suggestion, though! :thumbsup:

The GE actually updates randomly, but averages one update per day. It updates partly based on randomness, and partly based on volume of trade. As I am typing, the GE hasn't updated for about 35 hours. But I've seen it update twice a day before and I've heard it's even updated 4 times a day in the past. Hah, the whole thing that started this suggestion was totally wrong. Funny, isn't it? Yeah, I was told it updated twice a day. Ok, so I'll edit it to say twice a day at most on average.. Forgot to ask, is that "volume of trade" based on all trade? or just of specific items?

Don't forget that the streetprice of these Phats is way above the g/e prices. Goodluck anyways though. There are a few phats that get sold on G.E every week ;) So far, pking has sucked lately..not doing great. Got 92 str today though!

OK, I have an interesting solution to my problem (getting a purple/green/yellow phat) :mrgreen: . Say I PK 130k profit (including rebuys for food, weapons, and whatnot) per 5 fights, not counting corrupt drops or win/lose streaks, on PVP BH. 130,000 / 5 = ~26,000 per fight on average. Say that I do 23 fights a day (not hard I don't think, not at my level) 200,000,000 / 26,000 = ~7692 fights for 200M gp (extra) 7692 fights, fighting on avg 25 pieces of food, 12.8 healing per food, 90HP (constitution now) per player I should end up with ABOUT 12,163,000 experience gained. Which will leave me about 2.5M exp off of my 99 hp goal (I DO NOT WANT 99HP). I will be able to get 98 strength and about 98 attack/95 attack with 90 defense on the way. (I plan to max melee all at once with d claws for untrimmed/trimmed hp, interesting I know) I should have enough to make a large dent in my goals. EDIT: I don't plan on flipping at all to get the money for it, but I might end up doing it for the end of the cashpile along with skilling.. I will definitely try doing this, but I can't guarentee it will work, lol Just a thought and experiment really. PKing my way to a Phat on F2P :blink: :thumbsup: . Wish me luck while I test this.

Very interesting..Congrats at getting Jagex to take up your HP idea. Some stuff is good, other stuff is not so much, but really isn't a bad suggestion at all. Wish Jagex took more of this into consideration though..

Also, would it be possible to obtain, say, 3 easter eggs on ge, and add money for a party hat (purple/green/yellow)? If so, how much cash would I have to add to obtain one?

Wow, thanks for the detailed posts! And the info on party hat prices is definitely helpful. Might I say that so far, starting from ehh..68k and a few level 30 skills on a crappy character (started it 'cuz of bankspace issues on this acc), I have so far accumulated an item and gp value of 2.2M, and spent a fair amount of time and money on leveling skills. Currently 323 to 610 total level in 6 days, on my average playing time. With a character this low, I am amazed that I made that much money already. I'm nearly positive I won't have trouble getting a partyhat eventually (on g.e. is what I'm mainly hoping for), so long as I don't get bored. This is moreso a personal goal for myself, to see if I can do it before I cave and get P2P/quit runescape. I'm trying not to atm, and doing a fine job at that :). Again, thanks for all the details and help. Didn't know RCing was going to be that much money/hour.

It was a punch in the face, indeed. However it's kind of bug abuse. Like how prayer flashing is/was. Anyways, I have a small feeling/hope that jagex will increase the speed that spells are cast overall, to match that of shortbows on rapid. If this is so, then I don't think mage will need as much of a damage update as before.

I was wondering how I could encorporate Cabbage-port into water crafting..Did not think that was as fast as Lumbridge at all. Seems to be faster. Can you please test out banking @ Lumbridge using Lumbridge teleport, and/or a combination of Cabbage-port'ing and Lumbridge teleport? Amazing guide, besides my request :).

I really don't understand your last bit. I don't think the GE would work if it was like that, for one. And for two, wouldn't it be the same thing, one trade being 500 to 500 and 475 to 525? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, maybe this is info I need to add to my thread.

You want F2P mage to be fixed? Here's a few ways it could be without adding a bunch of lame spells. Casting time changeability: Be able to switch between chargeup spell (does 20-30% more damage) or quick-cast (20-30% faster casting) Just making spells overall cast faster. Lower some spell's maxes and then make a new rune, OR increase all spell's maxes so that 1 spell higher doesnt add just +1 damage Release mystic OR splitbark gear to F2P Release wave spells to F2P Most can be done, should be done, but probably won't be done. Because Jafex is Jafex.

OK, this guy doesn't know that much about PKing. HP is amazing to have depending on what the average player you're fighting can hit. However, most SW products are better off (in f2p at least) because their max is a lot higher than yours and they dont really need more than 65ish HP. I will also respect you a lot less for being a SW product. Your pure is fine for F2P as far as I'm concerned. The only thing you want/need to improve on is stats obviously, but you can pk fine with that. I have a 10 def pure (because I did not like 2 defense at all, thanks to jagex's mage update once, then they change it to being much less possible to accidentally train def with mage..jerkoffs..). It wrecks F2P most of the time, I don't have much trouble with Sw products and they're my biggest enemy besides rangers that hit rapid 13-15s. You shouldn't really have gotten prayer, since it's not useful to have until you can access the monastery for easy prayer restore. And the 15% prayers do not affect range or strength on F2P at all until level 84 range/strength. Before that, getting that level prayer hurts you. I've done the math and whatnot. My black pure's stats: 40 attack, 80 strength, 10 defense 72 hitpoints, 69 range, 31 prayer 63 magic, level 63 combat (just got because of 79 to 80 strength) I can pk with range quite well since my strength is ok, and i hit 11s fairly rapidly (70 range is 12's). Just remember not to get up prayer unless its 31 and you have 73ish str. Otherwise you won't really benefit from it, and even then you wont need it.. Also, being pure means being the most capable of dealing good damage for your level, try to keep hp low if you want to get mage. I personally need higher mage on that 10 def pure because I don't hit well enough on armored bounty hunter targets. I don't use PvP worlds often because most of the time, people will either be too high a level, or run/teleport all the time. Also: Aim for the new max hits for what you'd be pking with the most, maybe even by 2 levels. So go for 63/74/83 strength, 71/78/85 range. Try to keep your mage up with one or the other, or both, whatever. It helps if you want to kill armored targets, and is good for when people want to mage you (hardly ever). If you want defense, get 10, i destroy 5 and 20 defense pures quite quickly. 30 defense pures at 65-70 combat are craaaaazy, you have no idea how bad they kick [wagon]. I think that an addy pure will be my next one. I can't say much about 40 defense, since my rune pure is not trained enough to really pk well. I will try to pk with him once I get 55-60 magic and 63 strength, here are his current stats. 40 attack, 56 strength, 40 defense, all with dragon slayer done 1 range, 31 prayer, 43 magic, 46 hp The reason behind 1 ranged is that I do not want the HP exp from range until it will not give a significant amount for me to lvl hp. And even then, I am only training it to 40, so I can wear more mage defensive gear for target killing. The only reason this character has prayer is because I had made it as a second main when my actual main had a full bank, then they made 68 f2p slots for bank. So I converted it into a mediocre 40 def pure. When I converted it, I had forgotten about prayer, but figured this was ok for target killing.. I think it will do amazing, but I'm not sure how many people will want to fight me, lol.

Max hits are (at least) 1-2 damage higher. I've been able to hit 230 w\rune scim and 280 w/rune 2h at 80 str potted and str praying on F2P with str ammy. Whereas before it was just 21 scim(210 now) and 25 2h(250 now) I am thinking that maybe P2P's max bonus dmg is a bit higher because of how much more % bonuses and +str they can get.

Job, Working out, Smoke plant, Become a regular at a place where you think people might like you (card shops, arcades, game stores with pay to play consoles/pcs), (hard one) get back together with old friends and/or classmates, it can benefit you but is extremely hard to do..at least for me. Yeah, that's what I do/plan to do, and I'm almost in the same situation, so.. Best of luck.

I hadn't thought of that, but you're right. Brilliant. =D> The money used to buy skills was never part of a trust fund from anybody's rich parents or some random luck (Olly aside <!-- s<3: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_love.gif" alt="<3:" title="Love" /><!-- s<3: --> ) like winning the lottery. Buying ore with money from selling logs is entirely logical. Thank you for showing me this. :pray: Olly just steals other people's chances at luck.

Well, I suppose it doesn't take long for reputation to get flushed down the toilet.. I'll take it as a heads up, thanks.

Wonderful suggestions! I'll keep all of these in mind and explore other things, then. Also feels nice to know someone has a large amount of moolah on F2P, congrats on that =D> .

So far I like the thought of using PKing, mining gold (if its actually that good) to 85, then doing runite mining all together.. But I still would like more suggestions. :thumbsup:

:thumbdown: This is what I don't want posted anymore. Kthx, people.

OK, I'm in pursuit of a Purple, Yellow, or Green partyhat at most, and at least a Disk of Returning. I was wondering what the best way to go about achieving money for this would be. Or at least some creative ideas as to how to gain money on F2P, that way I can somewhat create a method my own way or something.. I have 15M cash, and my stats are at the bottom. I really don't intend on flipping for it, even if it is the best guarenteed way to go about it. I'd rather use my account to get the money, not the G.E... Please don't say "well ur screwed noob, no chance of getting phat that way", not that it really matters what you think. I just don't want spam on my thread.

Its probably little hard to explain but, in "the good old days" in falador east bank there would be buyers and sellers (generally of ores) all trying to get the best price, a buyer might start with buying all x for y price, then a second would usually respond with also buying all x for y + 5, the sellers then take their pick. This forum moves quite quickly thankfully its not RSoF (BUT THAT'S AN OTHER RANT) but does any one honestly trawl page 5? Me neither.... Also trying to clarify not bumping. =) Ah, thanks for explaining that. I get you now. Yeah, that would be kind of neat to have again. Also, since I'm not entirely up for using brain power atm :sad: , does anyone know if this is at all related to this problem: I put up a sale of 10,000 iron ores for 200 each on the G.E. (mid price). It does not instantly sell. I get mad, so I put it in for minimum price on the G.E. It instantly sells for the mid price. I am not sure why this even exists, and seems to mess up something. But like I said, I can't think right now, so I don't know if that's the reason I don't understand it. Lol. Either way, responses to this and anything about thread are greatly appreciated. Thanks guys. :^_^: