TheDayRsDied

There is a debate that was really going on in another forum. Basically the anti slayer side said that slayer was lower melee xp per hour than Armoured Zombies, and lower money, so it was useless. The other side said that when you include Summoning xp and Slayer xp to the xp total it was slightly better than Armored Zombies. As far as I know tha best meelee monster that gives money is Green Dragons, they give 600k per hour on average, but only 50k melee xp. Abyssals and Spirituals give about 500k per hour. Armoured Zombies give about 100k xp and 180k gp per hour, Abyssals and Spirituals give about 80k. So you could argue that Abyssals and Spirituals are a nice balance between non-slayer monsters. That is kind of a weak argument but it was the best one I could think of. Slayer is ruined buy the fact that monsters that don't have a slayer requirement are assigned. Maybe im just too picky, but I refuse to do crap tasks (and I have an extremely broad definition of "Crap"). I skip at least half of all of the tasks I am assigned, and probably even more than that. Back when I used slayer points, practically all of them went to skipping tasks. I look at getting 99 slayer as the ultimate runescape challenge, that is why I do it. Plus, Im also a little addicted to it. :twss:

"ruining the game" kind of reminds me of the Jagex response to RWT. Like in all other games, RWT was relatively minor issue, but then it is blown out of proportion by generally just saying that it is "ruining the game". That is nothing but a shock tactic, and nothing you said implies that the game is ruined. At worst, what you have described sounds like a very minor inconvience. If the GE system worked, then you would not even have to think about it. If the GE actually worked, there would be no junk trading. The fact that there is junk trading shows a defect of the GE, not the players. I think I am going to go buy something with junk now, just becasue I saw this thread.

This is the rants forum, but after a few weeks of being here I can see how the traditional format annoys people: I think there needs to be a item loss sticky. i also think legitimate complaints have also been dismissed. Some people seem to think that if you dont have a 25 page post with murder trial-like debate perfection then you hear something like this:

I think both are overrated. And both are made pointless by the higher bonuses of the Fire Cape. Why would you make a cape stronger than the Skill cape? That completely seems to eliminate any reason to wear one. Full disclosure, I only have an untrimmed strength cape.

My position on this is a secret. (see sig) Are you kidding? The old Pk system was completely superior to the hopeless excuse for a system we currently have. Before the popular pvp trick was introduced, no one even went to these hopeless worlds. If a glitch causes the majority of the people who go to pvp world s to go these because of a glitch , It is a sign that it is an inferior system. There is a popular arguement that you can go anywhere, but the whole reason that people go to pvp worlds is to fight, so most of the people fight near banks. Really, there might as well be a large arena "world" for it rather than a seperate world. Only a very small number of reckless skillers use pvp worlds. Otherwise, the whole population is PKers only. And anyway, a huge number of the best rewards in the game are in the wildy.

"Without macros, there is no RWT. Macros were the problem, not Pkers." Come on Kid! are you framiliar with the term, "gold farmer?" You need to take a 3rd grade reading comprehension lesson. This is not a joke. This is not a sarcastic line. This is a serious recommendation. You really need to. I am going to explain this to you as throughly as I possiably can. "Without macros, there is no RWT. Macros were the problem, not Pkers." THIS MEANS THAT PKERS DO NOT INHERENTLY RWT. IT MEANS THAT MACROERS USED THE PKING SYSTEM AS ONE OF MANY WAYS TO TRANSFER GOLD TO THEIR CHEATERS. IT, HOWEVER,WAS NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU COULD TRADE ANYWHERE, AT ANY TIME, ALL OF THE GOLD THE CHEATERS WANTED FOR ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING. IT MEANS THAT YOU SHOULD DESIGN THE GAME TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR MACROERS TO DO BUSINESS, AND NOT STOP PKERS AND CALL THEM "UNETHICAL" BECAUSE THEY USED THE FEATURES OF THE GAME TO HAVE FUN. I am not some kind of baby sitter and I have nothing more to say in this thread. Some good arguments were made here but most of this thread was filled with nothing but pathetic trolling, or arguments made so badly that they could have been confused with it. I am not a third grade reading teacher, and I am not going to explain statements anymore to idiots like this. Done here.

If they gave "good" drop rates then the prices for those items would drop because of the larger supply, and they would not be huge rewards anyway. If you decide to camp a monster for profit, drops like noted ess, runes, and ranarr weeds/seeds are more important than the mega drops anyway. Iron dragons are probably one of the worst monsters to camp.

So the Ge and the set of rules that came with it created the problem of Junk Trading, and now you are proposing a new set of rules, which will probably do nothing except create a new set of problems. If i got the first ever set of dragon claws from the tormented demons, I would not be interested in selling it for the Jagex-set price of 150k. I would sell it for a higher price, through any means I could possibly sell it. Becasue the price was set so low, it takes the G.E time to catch up to the actual value. Sellers are not just going to get ripped off just to prop up the failed ge system. If all trading outside the GE was banned, which is the only solution to Junk Tading, then people would just hoard items untill the price went up. And becasue no one with half a brain is going to sell at the GE price, that would take months untill enough morons sold at the max for the price to be reasonable. You can't force people to conduct business in the way you want to, There will always be unexpected effects and loopholes that you could not have accounted for.

What a joke. You know a good way to enjoy the new "PvP" system?(if it is even worthy of being called "PvP") Play Bounty Hunter. There is a good way to enjoy the new system.

All fo those things sound real nice when you are TALKING about them, but they would be much more complicated to actaully implement.

[sarcasm]ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT RANDOM EVENTS?? OMG OMFG RWTER RWTER!!!!! How dare you. Jagex is incapable of making mistakes. Getting random events during a agressive monster battle monster battle is a fun addition to gameplay, especially when I have to wait for 10 minutes for them to be unagressive again so I can cheat and AFK.(and then preach about the immorality of RWTING :wall: ) I think getting 10 coins and having my time wasted in order to support a system that was completely inneffective at stopping RWT is the funnest thing in the history of the world. In fact, I play Runescape just so I can deal with random events. REPORTED FOR RWTING, DIRTBAG!!! ROT IN HECK!![/sarcasm]

We don't need a new skill. Hunter is only good for about 5 items, total failure. Farming was also a disaster. Construction is not a very popular skill and is rarely used. Summoning is the only recently released skill that has much relevance. Instead of new skills, jag needs to improve existing content. Like the area north of Varrock. I don't see many people there. Maybe they could let people fight there, or something.

I was reading a guide that said a Macaw summoning familliar could improve the rates of high quailty herbs, like ranarr, kuwarm, Irit, dwarf weed, etc.

Its about choices. You can CHOOSE the superior defensive bonus of Torag's or the Str bonus of Bandos. You can CHOOSE the Special effects of Dhorak's, Verac's or Guthan's. You can choose the low price and steady strength of Rune. You can mix and match all the different types of armor.Dragon was supposed to be the Juggernaut melee armor, but now it is uslees. But would you rather have gone through the last 7 years with nothing but every single meleer wearing Rune+ every currently avalible Dragon peice? I think, though that this is a sign that Jag ignored the fact that Dragon was becoming irrelevant. If it is true that Barrows degraded so that Dragon could still have some relevance, then they clearly missed the fact that peope didn't care about the degrade price as long as they got the Stats/ special effects. They released the D plate anyway, even though years showed that most people would not pay for it. Apparently, they though that everyone was waiting SEVEN YEARS for a new peice of D armor. Maybe some n00bz on the message bords were but not most people. Sometimes Jag seems out of touch with many in game situations

Anything>> Dragon

RS 2005: Drill Sargent from Hell! RS 2009: Drill Sargent from Heck! If anything they are becoming more P.C. Ten year olds are overexcited abou their new right, but eventually it will die down. I think it is pathetic how some people on this site can casually talk about 10 hour sessions of brutally whiping people to death for cash, and then complain about the immorality of swear words. I agree with cat666, if you abuse chat, you should be censored. As someone who has been censored, I can tell you that it definately makes the game difficult to play, and discourages later swearing.

its easy money. At least, Idiots think that it is a good way to make money. And as long as that myth stays alive, then PJing will be around.

I think 4 years of an abyssal whip jugggernaut is enough. We will need much better armor before that can happen, though. Weapons are already way too strong.

Jack Thompson is probably laughing right now, and wondering how much cash he can get out of this. "Maybe if a few more mothers get shot I could get a seat in Congress!!!"

Sounds like somone cant PK lawlzz. Their greatest accomplishment was just getting this project to be a reality. I can't imagine how many people attempt to start a mmorpg and fail.

As long as you do it in an isolated area, Im not going to be the moron that ACTIVELY LOOKS for you to cause problems. As soon as you run into an area and expect random people to follow your code though, thats where I begin to get annoyed. If somone eats to full health when Im fighting them, I don't care bc they are not going to change the outcome of the match. They are just making it take longer before they die. Finally, drops are NOT worth 50m. They are not worth 5 million. They are not worth 500k or 50k and they are rarely worth 5k. Honestly, you go into RS pk and expect to have "FUN"? How hopelessly old fashioned. You need to get in tune with the new business strategy, my friend. Omg.

Lawlzz. the GE was never alive to begin with. Im glad that Jag did this sort of update. I actually go on these forums more than I play, but I like the emphasis on small, meaning ful updates rather than "Revolutionary Improvements" or more failed skills.

Trimmed skill capes are good for pking in. Oh wait ... Reading Comprehension. I never said skillcapes are bad stats. I said that you cant demand respect for a cape that took 4 days to get. I bolded the text for you. If you need help understanding the the bolded scentence, just ask, and ill walk you through it. I have a strength cape(untrimmed), but since I actually pvp instead of playing one of those little whimpy safe games where you get to keep ur stuff, I prefer to use a legend's cape. It is a major cut to costs, especially since the drop rewards are so poor in the new pvp worlds that you can barley cover the cost of a legends cape with them.

I have 91 slayer. I have been training slayer for 3 years. This is what I have found in my experience:Slay points are stupid. They are a complete waste of time. The only reason people use them is becasue they are too afraid to drop them. Who cares about your slayer level, or the ammount of time you've spend in it. Fyi, I've played longer and have 99 slayer, and I disagree with you. By your logic, I win. I have never suggested not to use Duradel. Duradel gives longer tasks.I was just giving my opnion on it. I have information to back up what I say. Slay points give a false impression of free money, when you actually have to do horrible tasks to keep them. If you want to lose money doing 2 hour tasks that give hardly any profit just to get 15 points, worth about 35k, then go ahead. This is starting to get off topic, so ill leave it there since apperantly going against several Official Royal Veiwpoints is trolling.

Im a troll because I gave an oppposing opinion? I have not mentioned that issue in this entire topic outside of my sig. If you think Im a troll, report me and let a mod determine that.