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Then explain the fact why no one gets mithril/adamantite ores from miners to smith? It is completely absurd that monsters which aren't supposed to be a primary source of ores in the first place are the primary source of ores for smiths, instead of mining, whose purpose is precisely to supply smiths with ore. Which it clearly isn't doing.

What update doesn't have repercussions? Do you think Jagex didn't carefully think out their updates? They're not an amateur game developing company, for god's sake. So just because airports cause a lot of inconvenience for normal passengers because of terrorists they should be at blame? The terrorists are the one that should be blamed for inconveniencing millions of ordinary people. Same for Jagex. Why should they be blamed for 26kers? It's not THEIR fault players chose to abuse the PvP system, causing them to have to put in an update to combat 26kers. If you really must blame someone, blame the 26kers, not Jagex.

Again, experience counts for everything. I could read up on all the theory in the world but that doesn't mean I'm right, particularly when you get to subjectivity of a skill. In fact your point about subjectivity is, on the contrary, valid. Everyone analyses what is best for them , particularly at higher levels. You can't get that from reading guides, its your own gaming experience. The guides aren't always right and someone who talks a good game having no experience of the skill for themselves has no idea of what might work best. Your waterfiends example shows that the lvl 130 might have done whats best for them and it could well work for those they are talking to. I'm pretty sure a lvl 130 would also be reading any guides for themselves at some point as we all do. I'd sooner trust a 130 on the issue instead of the level 3. In fact, only recently a lvl 120 something who I met at Barrows gave me some advice based on his own experience. I tried it and it worked. I couldn't get that from a level 3 skiller. Bias and one-sided. If you say the guides might not be always right, then what about the player? Just because they've done something before and have experience in it, doesn't mean their opinion will ALWAYS be "right". Even if their way of doing things works perfectly fine for them, different people have different ways of doing things and his way might not work (as well) for you/anyone else. You're contradicting your own arguments. In the first paragraph you talked about how the guides don't always provide a good way to do things for you as they can't cater to everyone. Then in the second paragraph you completely contradicted your arguments by stating that the players' opinions are more reliable than guides. The players WROTE the guide, based on their experience. So if A reads the guide, he has more-or-less the same information as B who asked the player who wrote the guide. So there's basically NO difference between reading a guide and asking a player who has experience in the game. Ok, so after a player reads a guide/asks an experienced player about a certain aspect of the game, he decides to try out the method stated. He finds that it doesn't work well for him because of personal issues/something like that. Therefore he modifies the method to suit his own liking, after some experience in doing that particular thing. So this player is currently more "experienced" than a player who hasn't done anything related to that particular aspect of the game. But experience and tips/hints/methods of doing something are ALWAYS subjective. So EFFECTIVELY the experienced player cannot give better advice than the ignorant player, unless the experienced player has almost-identical attitudes/character to the person who he is giving advice to. Which is rather unlikely, since everyone is unique. Even if both of them, for example, are impatient, one might prefer cheaper methods whereas the other prefers methods with less quest/skill requirements or something like that.

Again, that doesn't mean that they have no knowledge or right to discuss updates they are unable to use. I am nowhere near using the Extreme Potions, and yet I am still able to comment and debate on Jagex's decision to remove them from PvP. Theres discussion, then theres talking about things you don't know about as if you know about them then getting angry when someone questions your knowledge about it. There's discussion, then there's someone jumping in and flaunting his big stats, and trying to insult others who are apparently inferior to him just because he has bigger stats. We were. Read through the post. Do you think he's blind or what? Your post wasn't even in the least related to the topic. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite.

I'd definitely want more "epic" games. They're generally worth the wait, and usually are worth playing more than once/twice to try the game out. S.S. is one of my favourite games. It has sufficient content for F2P players unlike Arcanists and Armies of Gielinor. I suck at KAL, so I'm stuck with Steel Sentinels. I currently have 1803 rating in S.S., ranked 125. :thumbsup: I don't find S.S. "grinding". Just play it as a F2P player. You'll get just about everything in less than a week, and you can forget about "grinding". And it's still quite fun.

Quel, relax a little. First, as this is a private message board, you have no inborn "right" to anything. The staff, if they wanted, could silence you because your name starts with Q. As for other posters who, like you and I, have no power whatsoever - they can gripe about people all they want (and risk being moderated). Realistically, though, there's a market of ideas out there. We as finite beings don't have time to rationally evaluate each "seller" of knowledge, so we take shortcuts. In RS, it is reasonable to equate higher levels / longer play time with being a better source of game advice. Is it always true? No! That just means it is an imperfect predictor. Fine now? It's only STATISTICALLY true that a higher level player is a better source of game advice. As you said, it is an imperfect predictor, and there are always exceptions. What if the player hasn't logged in for years? His memory of the game wouldn't be fresh, and new updates of easier ways to train might have been introduced, and his advice might not be the most accurate/best. Also, just because a person has high levels in combat, for example, doesn't mean he knows everything there is to know about high-level boss hunting, compared to a lower-level but more experienced boss-hunter. Maybe he's more of a PKer? And the list goes on...

Thanks for defending me and understanding why I'm so frustrated with this braggart who apparently feels he has a greater right than other players on a forum because he has higher stats in the game. Statistics...they make life so much easier...and make it so much more difficult at the same time. Assumptions, stereotyping, overly high expectations all stem from statistics. ----- What were we discussing about again?

The aim of this rant is not to make mining easier. It's to make mining less "sucky", or make it serve it's purpose as a skill to supply smithing with ores better. Nowadays few people mine mithril/adamantite to supply smiths with ores. Most of the ores are just gotten from monster drops... :roll: OP complains about the lack of rocks/good spots because it's difficult to find a really good high level mining area near a bank/noter/chest. OP doesn't like the one rock one ore and wants multiple ores per rock. More ores per single rock = easier leveling Make more higher level rocks near bank = easier leveling I prefer: few high level rocks = difficult leveling far from bank = difficult leveling 1 ore per rock = difficult leveling We already have pickaxes that basically auto click for you until you get the ore, it' enough IMO. And what's wrong with easier levelling? Mining will still be mining, and it'll still remain harder than cooking and such. Multiple ores/rock does make it easier to level, but it isn't the aim. The aim is to supply smithing with more ores, not to make mining easier. Side-effects are always present in just about any update. How does making more high level rocks near banks make levelling easier? High level rocks are slow exp for god's sake. I'm beginning to wonder whether you're a real miner or not. It just lets miners earn more cash which does NOT = to easier levelling.

Probably apply them to individual sets? Melee: Chance of reflecting range/magic projectiles back at the user, dealing 150% of the damage of the cast to the opponent. Range: Chance of counter-damaging 150% of the damage of the attack to the opponent. Magic: Chance of you hitting through prayer more often, and avoiding players hitting through your prayer. All sets would have the reduce/block damage though. That might be a little overpowered. And it would help if you be specific what your "chance" is - 5% or 50%? Even an estimate like 15-20% would be better than just saying a "chance".

There's such a thing as human rights for god's sake. You have absoulutely, I stress absolutely no right to try and force people to stop posting/expressing their opinions freely. Who do you think you are to try and restrict people's freedom? Just because someone has a lot of virtual stats doesn't give him/her a right over another person who is "less experienced" in the game. This is a ridiculous topic. You're not debating about the game anyway, you're debating about HUMAN RIGHTS. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and even if you are the president of the US or whatever, you still have no right to prevent someone from expressing their opinion freely, even if he/she clearly has no idea what he/she is talking about. I'm not saying you cannot ignore/insult the person. But you can't STOP the person from freely speaking/posting. Words of wisdom.

I would like to see you get 99 Ranged, Smithing, Crafting, and Runecrafting without buying your materials. Some skills just have to be bought. That's because of the current state of the game. If mining was made less "sucky" so it could supply ores to smithing better, more people would get the ores for smithing themselves. Same for runecrafting, crafting and ranged.

The aim of this rant is not to make mining easier. It's to make mining less "sucky", or make it serve it's purpose as a skill to supply smithing with ores better. Nowadays few people mine mithril/adamantite to supply smiths with ores. Most of the ores are just gotten from monster drops... :roll:

Jrhairychest and Erewhon2 thinks you have no opinion, just because you are semi-retired. Either that, or they do it for lulz. If that is the case, then why don't they say that to just about everybody who does not play Runescape anymore? Speaking of which, the main reason of why people quit is because of so much updates. Many people whine about how easy the game became, and how awful the game will be in the future. Why can't those people learn to appreciate the game as it is, instead of ranting and ranting pointlessly in the RSOF rants? You're missing the point. I've no objection to people airing their views if they are actually know what they're talking about, or are at least in a position to talk about such things. To play a little runescape, gain low ranks in a few skills then place objections to things hardly warrants confidence in the player knows what he is talking about. Retirement after a few low skills? Sorry I thought players retired after at least giving the game a thorough chance to see it through to be able to demonstrate some sort of knowledge and experience to know what they are talking about. Quit acting like your big stats are a big deal. Will you just shut the hell up being judgmental and trying to impose your idiotic opinion that anyone who has low stats has no right to retire or post on the forums. Stop thinking that you have more rights than someone else just because of your damned stats in a game. I have as much right as you to post here, and you have absolutely no right to comment that I have no right to post here. Sorry that you have a severely exaggerated opinion on what a "thorough chance" is. Go try the F2P version of the game without using any single one member item/skill then. You'll see how fast you'll get bored and want to retire. I've already done just about everything worth doing in F2P. All the quests, skills up to a certain point where it gets boring and the rewards suck. Well saying that your 'rants' don't hold weight because it appears your experience of the game is limited is just an opinion, same as you saying you have the right to post. No one is saying you can't post, certainly I haven't. But I question your ongoing interest in talking about RS as you hate the game.....I mean, what purpose does it serve? This is way off topic, but I think there is an interesting debate here, I think I'll put it up as a topic in its own right :thumbsup: The game itself is boring (for F2P at least), but I find debating/arguing about it interesting. Nothing wrong with that, right? I don't care whether my rants hold weight or not or whether you care about them or not. I'm just freely expressing my opinion. So tell that very good friend of yours to quit trying to discourage me from posting on the TIF.

Jrhairychest and Erewhon2 thinks you have no opinion, just because you are semi-retired. Either that, or they do it for lulz. If that is the case, then why don't they say that to just about everybody who does not play Runescape anymore? Speaking of which, the main reason of why people quit is because of so much updates. Many people whine about how easy the game became, and how awful the game will be in the future. Why can't those people learn to appreciate the game as it is, instead of ranting and ranting pointlessly in the RSOF rants? You're missing the point. I've no objection to people airing their views if they are actually know what they're talking about, or are at least in a position to talk about such things. To play a little runescape, gain low ranks in a few skills then place objections to things hardly warrants confidence in the player knows what he is talking about. Retirement after a few low skills? Sorry I thought players retired after at least giving the game a thorough chance to see it through to be able to demonstrate some sort of knowledge and experience to know what they are talking about. Quit acting like your big stats are a big deal. Will you just shut the hell up being judgmental and trying to impose your idiotic opinion that anyone who has low stats has no right to retire or post on the forums. Stop thinking that you have more rights than someone else just because of your damned stats in a game. I have as much right as you to post here, and you have absolutely no right to comment that I have no right to post here. Sorry that you have a severely exaggerated opinion on what a "thorough chance" is. Go try the F2P version of the game without using any single one member item/skill then. You'll see how fast you'll get bored and want to retire. I've already done just about everything worth doing in F2P. All the quests, skills up to a certain point where it gets boring and the rewards suck.

Woot, I fail for having a computer that goes slow on even stretched SD, and having an internet connection shared by 3 computers at once. <_< I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but I'm just stating that it's not Jagex's fault that you lag. If you're going to blame someone, blame yourself or the players' spamming the GE (not that it's going to work anyway).

Don't blame Jagex for your poor internet connection. There's nothing they can do about it, other than create lower resolution versions of the game. (p.s. I assume you're using the lowest quality graphics and all that? If you're not maybe you should switch to them to reduce lag)

I mean it does not lag to an extreme extent. RuneScape is one of the least laggy games I've ever played. I know it loads a long time, but that's because of the sheer amount of content it has. Games with good graphics are FAR more laggy than RuneScape. Even smaller-scale FunOrb games that are very CPU intensive lag more than RuneScape. So personally I think if you lag quite a bit in RS it's time for a better internet connection.

The Grand Exchange is by far the best place to firemake, and the area there is extremely wide. That is why I firemake there, no other spots match it. Besides, even though the lag is annoying, it's manageable. If it's manageable why bother ranting about it? You're just wasting everyone's time if you do that, IMHO.

True, but who forced you to firemake in the GE anyway? Draynor bank is an example of a quite decent place to firemake. I'm sure there are plenty more good spots to train firemaking too.

Nah, I'm not going to start another flame war with him. It won't lead anywhere, and it just spoils my mood. And I'll probably get temporarily banned again. And anyhow, you two have already proved his [cabbage] statements completely wrong. I don't want to paraphrase what you two have said.

I think he meant it to be a so-called "serious" rant. I mean, a person with such low intellectual capability like him wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a good rant and a crappy rant. But after he got his [wagon] flamed off the thread, he decided to cover up by making some excuses and posting some extra crap to make himself look less bad. It obviously backfired since just about every intelligent poster saw through his plan. He decides to change his arguments, but Omali quoted his posts, showing the lack of consistency and all his contradictory statements. I wonder what he's going to come up with next.

I can't understand what's so bad about having a bunch more warning signs/pop-up windows and that sort of stuff, a big fat ditch separating the wilderness from the "civilised" lands, some new features that made the game more convenient and some NPC guides. First off, warning signs/that kind of thing did make the game less dangerous, but NOT less challenging. The big ditch was to prevent scammers from luring people into the wilderness and killing them. So you would rather a RuneScape with plenty of scammers than one with very few scammers? The Grand Exchange and all that DID NOT RUIN THE GAME. It just made it more convenient. Honestly, I can't understand why so many people blame the GE for how "horrible" RuneScape is now. Other features like rest, etc did the same. NPC guides don't even give decent hints and tips. Most of the hints/tips are extremely obvious if not rather inefficient or not practical. Quest guides, skill guides, etc were created by players. Not Jagex. Anyhow, if you want the game to be more challenging, why not ignore the guides? Explore and do stuff your own way. No one's forcing you to read the guide. So what if other players read guides and get stuff the easy way? You know you truly deserved the rewards. Why bother about other players getting "easy rewards" or whatever?

Don't you know he's the type who will never give up? Instead of admitting to his own lack of intellectual capability and logical reasoning, he tries to cover up his mistakes. This just makes things worse for him though, but who cares? At least we get a good laugh.

True, but I don't think enough people are satisfied to make it an "unsuckish" skill. I mean, F2P didn't get a thing, and the update didn't solve the problem for mining in ALL the mining spots. It'll just make them redundant.

It is probably a bug. Jagex has already stated that they were removing "advertisments" from F2P worlds, as they just got in the way of players having a good time there or something like that.