quelmotz

If clan X decides to manipulate a price, making it go up and you decide to sell the item in question because you can make a profit, what does that tell you? Oh wait, I didn't know that the cause of the increasing price was caused by manipulators, did I? The fact is, there's no way to know. It could just be plain old supply and demand, caused by a new trend, a newly discovered way of training that requires that item, a new quest that needs the item, etc etc. There's nothing wrong with exploiting supply and demand. That's what investors do. That's why the only people dealt with are the manipulators, and ONLY the manipulators did something illegal. Yes, I did have the intention to earn money, but I didn't manipulate the prices to serve my purpose. You took 'advantage' of something you profess is wrong. You made profit from it. Don't say price manipulation is wrong on the one hand while your making money in another, regardless of who started it. If you had have been so against price manipulation you wouldn't have taken advantage of it by selling your item(s) when the prices went up. I'd have respected your opinions more if you'd have said 'price manipulation is wrong, but Im guilty of taking advantage of it'. Can you read? You just glanced at my post, took your old arguments and threw them at me again. Read through my post again before you post [cabbage] and make a fool of yourself. I've said it before - I DID NOT KNOW what was causing the fluctuating prices. I did not manipulate prices and did not INTENTIONALLY take advantage of the manipulators changing the prices.

It's not all about the mistakes. I forgive mistakes. I personally take issue with the way the game is being run and developed. That isn't a mistake. it's a difference of opinion. Do you think just because a single person's opinion about how the game is being run is going to cause miracles? Fat chance. If you hate how the game is being run so much, just quit, because an generally agreed opinion or company ethos is almost impossible to change.

THIS IS NOT AN ATTEMPT TO MOD BASH. I disagree with your judgment. Since the rant is old and historic, why not lock it and leave it to die? Its facts and claims have long been proved wrong, and as of now, there's nothing much of value and not much to discuss on the thread. Locking it will be a good decision since it'll prevent unnecessary flaming and comments that don't contribute much.

I agree. It is annoying. But there's nothing we can do to stop this. New words are being invented every day, and it's impossible to say: NO NEW WORDS MAY BE INVENTED FROM NOW ON. That is just absurd and illegal.

If clan X decides to manipulate a price, making it go up and you decide to sell the item in question because you can make a profit, what does that tell you? Oh wait, I didn't know that the cause of the increasing price was caused by manipulators, did I? The fact is, there's no way to know. It could just be plain old supply and demand, caused by a new trend, a newly discovered way of training that requires that item, a new quest that needs the item, etc etc. There's nothing wrong with exploiting supply and demand. That's what investors do. That's why the only people dealt with are the manipulators, and ONLY the manipulators did something illegal. Yes, I did have the intention to earn money, but I didn't manipulate the prices to serve my purpose.

This might sound weird, but the harder it is, the easier it makes the game...because the greater/better the rewards, the easier the game becomes. So you're essentially contradicting yourself.

Wait a second, I don't fit into any of the three categories. The first two numbers go hand in hand and I don't consider myself a troll or an "inbetween type". I post quite a bit but I don't troll, so your logic is kinda weird. I'll assume you place me in the second category though. You're in category no.1 although you claim that you're not a troll but you do post a lot of logical posts and stuff like that...

Really hilarious. :thumbsup: :lol: I thought it was one more of those "You [insert swear word here] Jagex!!!11eleven!" threads...

Oh wow, another of those [cabbage] propaganda posts about the anti-RWT updates ruining RuneScape. As usual, the fake numbers, incorrect evidence, long outdated crap and a lot of emotional sentences to try and convince people to join your gang of protestors. Before your rant gets torn to shreds (oh wait, it has already been torn to shreds), let me warn you that most posters on the TIF are not sympathetic of "anti-RWT update ruined RuneScape!" people like you. Why are you still posting this kind of old crap? It's long outdated, the facts are wrong as of now, there's no evidence for your claims and some of the evidence are TOTALLY wrong even 2 years ago. Isn't RuneScape doing well know? 3000 my foot.

Casual trading is different than trading with the sole intention of manipulating the prices. I would argue that it's only "manipulation" if you intended for it to be. to change by artful or unfair means so as to serve one's purpose No such thing as accidentally manipulating. As for my thoughts on the thread topic, I don't really like capitalism because it allows things such as taking food out of a hungry person's mouth so you can get a golden unicorn statue for your fountain. However, we're talking about Runescape here, not a situation of life and death. One could argue that it is their money and they should be able to do what they want with it. That's true. But then again, if it is ruining the game can they really be given that sort of freedom? :thumbup: +1, especially on the definition part. What I've been trying to say was that I WAS NOT "manipulating" the prices when I bought/sold X of Y item, because my intention was NOT to manipulate prices, it was to earn money or get some item to train some skill or something.

Ok, you win your stupid argument. Go and gloat about it. I could continue, but it's a waste of time arguing with stubborn people over a two-way misunderstanding. I still don't know what the hell are you talking about and vice versa. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Change will definitely make things easier. The degree of how much easier it makes the game might differ from almost negligible to controversial, but it will make the game easier. Revenants DID make the game easier, because they were REPLACING intelligent PKers. If they were an individual update, they would not have made the game easier, but they were not; they were to replace PKers and to make the game easier. It doesn't matter to me whether the game gets easier or not, since it's still very difficult as of now. There could be many updates making the game easier before the game really becomes TOO easy. But that day will probably never come since Jagex will be careful enough to regulate their updates such that the game will still be challenging.

In the live Q&A they stated they had scrapped f2p skillcapes. Because of the lack of varied training methods, they didn't want to encourage people to do the same thing over and over again. Granted I think that is a total puss excuse, but hey, it's their call. Considering most MMOs are grinding the same thing over and over to get levels, even if you change every so often, that is a bull[cabbage] excuse. I mean, I do Slayer, and I'm still doing the same thing as the guy at Armoured Zombies, just with a slower exp rate, but a little variety. Yeah, I didn't read the live Q&A. Thanks for the information. Not that I could care. It would just mean some more rants made by selfish member snobs to debate in. :

According to some people, my posting style is unique and easy to tell apart...but I can't see how, under normal circumstances. Look at all my recent posts. Most of them aren't flame bait or illogical crap. On topic, I agree with your point of view. It's easy to tell people apart. Most of the major posters here I know quite well, their characteristics, posting style, etc. So the three types of people in this forum: 1. The trolls and the people that post a lot without much crappy posts. Probably a significant portion of the population here. 2. The newbies and idiots that post crap. Enough said. A huge percentage of the population. 3. The in-between type. They aren't idiotic, but they don't post very often so I don't know them very well.

Whining about whiners? =D> Let's give a round of applause for the absolute lack of hypocrisy and irony in this thread. [/sarcasm]

What an extremely childish comment, I apologise if you are under the age of 16, in which case this may be more understandable. Its hardly opening up the debate is it? :shame: You're the one who's making yourself look more immature. You didn't reply, instead you resort to personal attacks. =D> Did I say they weren't progress? No I didn't, I said it wasn't necessary to make things easier as part of that progress, you need to learn to read things properly before you dispute them. :wall: I strongly disagree with your statement. It is necessary except in very rare cases to make things easier as part of progress. I have given numerous examples whereas you have as of now provided absolutely no evidence backing up your claim that change need not make things easier. I looked at your mining level, need I say more? Amazing. Judging people by levels. Just because I have a lower mining level you suddenly feel a sense of superiority and that I have no right to post my opinions here? And I just don't understand the last point you made, I have to say that I am unclear how you feel experienced enough to debate at this level, of course everyone is entitled to debate, but usually only if they have something of value to contribute. Wow, now you're saying I'm a inexperienced idiot with nothing to contribute to the debate just because I have lower levels? Seriously, shut up with your sense of "superiority" just because you have high levels in some stupid skills. You've said it yourself - anyone can debate, so shut up. Apparently, you feel that you have a right to troll and determine that people with skill levels below XXX levels cannot contribute anything of value? You're subtly insulting low levels. Just because you're a high level doesn't mean you can treat people with lower virtual stats than you as if they were inferior. I repeat that I think too many people keep asking for things to be made easier, maybe in the drive to achieve 99. I am concerned that Jagex are catering to this, I am asking people if this is this is what they, as individual players, want, if so why.....if not why not? People will always want things to be easier. I'm with the majority, and you're not. Jagex has not been specially catering to these people at all. They've been continuing with their usual train of updates, and I cannot see a trend where they are explicitly making the game easier. All the updates they're making are natural and are part of change. It's too bad if you interpret them as a new trend where Jagex is making the game easier, because it is not in my opinion.

First, if Funorb isn't working like planned it should be dropped. Consider Vista. Many people hated it, Microsoft didn't do anything but step up advertising. This didn't work. So they reinvented it as Mohavi. That didn't work either. Finally, they got off their bums and began work on Windows 7. I see a parallel here. And you justify them breaking a promise cause they always do. Can you spot what's wrong here? I can: companies, as well as people, shouldn't break promises. It's acceptable on occasion, but when it is a constant, ever present quality about them, you shouldn't accept it. FunOrb IS WORKING as it's "planned", though I don't know what you mean by that. Don't criticise what you haven't even tried/looked at. Your opinion is already so fixed that funorb sucks, period. There's no point in trying to convince you otherwise. And just because you don't like FunOrb and they've broken a tiny promise of not advertising funorb on their website, you treat it as if the sky is falling.

Another one of those whiner posts... Jagex has already stated that they'll be focusing a little more on F2P nowadays, and rumours are about that skillcapes or a new skill will soon be released to F2P. Whining doesn't help matters, anyhow. P.S. I'm 100% F2P and have never been a member before, so don't flame me.

To bring new life to this topic, I've come up with a new discussion topic. Should there be rewards/items of accomplishment for achieving, say 200M xp in a skill? If so, why? What advantages/disadvantages would it bring about? I'll post my opinion after a while...

Seriously, STOP MAKING STUPID POSTS that have ABSOLUTELY no discussion value or are repeated and are clearly for the sake of boosting your stupid post count. Learn how to get a good, debatable topic before posting it, instead of spamming stupid random crap around here and pushing the legitimate threads down.

quelmotz.....First off that is not an opinion its just pointing out the methods that Jagex use...duh! And that was the whole point of the debate :wall: Yes Jagex do tend to make things easier with their updates, but its not necessary to do that as part of progress and developments, sure there can be benefits that give new skills etc. Like introducing summoning, but another development was the high level agility courses, which provided some variety at the higher levels and that is what is needed (as someone mentioned earlier). But things like rest stops, the GE and noted crops etc have made some aspects significantly easier. You say you don't support the game being easier...well do you have a godsword? Bandos armour? Do you buy your prayer pots or super restores? Give me an example of one part of the game that you have taken the harder option purely for the pleasure of it and not gone for the 'easy option' :roll: And I think Est0rrath is correct, those who go for 200 mill xp are very few in comparison to the numbers of members. Firstly, there's no need to type out a huge paragraph in bolded and huge text. Too bad, so what if I don't give an opinion? What are you going to do? Kill me? I don't understand what you're saying. How the hell are rest stops, the Grand Exchange, noted crops, etc not in the name of progress? Aren't they all updates? Don't they make the game more convenient and smooth-playing for the players? I've mined my own ores many times - to save $$ and also for the "fun". Those who go for 200M xp might be few, but I can tell you, Jagex just has to click their fingers and type a few lines of code and ta-da! A new item to show off that you have officially maxed out a skill completely. They can EASILY do that if they want to.

Because then the rest of the Rants forum would be deader than brains of the people in the RSOF. And, that sticky would be so full, there wouldn't be room nor time for a semi-coherent discussion on a specific rant. Idiocy does come in useful sometimes, eh?

You might think FunOrb is stupid and a waste of Jagex's time, but many other people will think otherwise, so stop trolling and acting like your opinion is so superior. There are plenty of original games in FunOrb. Doesn't a game with an original and interesting twist from the "backbone" game count as original? Aren't there hundreds of variations of the game of chess? And as many other posters have said, you've really gone too far for such a trivial issue. Does it freaking matter to you whether they advertise their OWN game on their OWN website? And about the "promise breaking". Have you been playing RuneScape for a few years? Jagex is notorious for breaking "promises".

It's because the space is wasted. You're effectively wasting twice the number of spaces to attain the same level of efficiency. I guess he could eat the whole pizza in one go though...maybe he had some leftovers that stacked up over time.

Wow - I didn't know hell was easy... :lol: Anyway, even if all skills were as easy as cooking, it would still take a few years to get all 99s, and people might still want to get 200Million xp for every skill after that. People will always find new challenges to challenge themselves, so MMORPGs will never "end" and it would be near impossible to fully "complete" the game. I totally disagree. Progress will naturally make things easier. A new monster would result in a reward that leads to easier training, more cash, etc. A new skill would lead to faster ways in making cash (usually) or bring about some other benefits. A new minigame would have rewards that make the game easier, with the minor exceptions of castle wars and some other minigames. A new quest would have some xp reward or item that makes the game easier irregardless of how little. I could go on, but you get my point. My opinion is what I said above. Can't you read? Anything a person says has his/her opinion...like duh... I don't support "over-easy-nizing" the game or whatever is your term for it. I'm saying the game will always become easier and easier, regardless of what you say. But because the "easiness" level only increases by an ever-so-small amount each time, therefore it is impossible to make the game incredibly easy as long as Jagex properly controls its updates. Anyway, RuneScape is still a remarkably difficult game. What with 20+ skills (260Million xp to get all 99s, with varying levels of difficulty) and a lot of quests. The game is FAR from becoming too easy. That's why I say people are still whining to make the game easier. Because it is STILL hard. No matter how much you decrease the difficulty (up to a certain point anyway), there will still be people whining to make the game easier.

This doesn't really look like a debate, but I'll give my opinion anyway. "Noob" is a seriously overused word, like "lol". "Lol" is used like a filler of space, when you don't have anything much to say. "Lol" is supposed to be laugh out loud but it seems many of the circumstances where it is used aren't even funny. Now back to the word "noob". So many people overuse it that it has lost it's real meaning, i.e. someone who is ignorant about the game. It's being used as an "insult" for anyone who pisses you off in any way, or used as a joke.