No one wants to pull a His Lordship (ie WHEN YOU RAID UNDER HIM HE IS YOUR GOD, etc). No offense, WG :wub: You've got to balance stern and understanding attitudes. Some people you consider 'dead weight' right now might only be in that situation temporarily. Oftentimes, instead of outright kicking them, if you talk with them they're usually okay with temporarily taking a 'retired' position. The problem with the 'hard way' scenario is that most people enforcing that rule are VERY MUCH caught up in 'short run' results, which could be disastrous. Yes everyone wants victories and success NOW, but if you still want to be around as a clan this time next year, you've got to think ahead. What's a small losing streak compared to losing a reputation and community that you've worked so hard to build just because you wanted INSTANT RESULTS.