Headnazgul

Are Troll Generals still hally\rangeable? I remember someone awhile ago saying Jagex changed them so you can't hally them anymore, but I haven't heard anything since then.

I tried mace and yes the prayer bonus was nice, but it didn't hit anywhere near as much as whip or dragon long on stab.

Friend of mine killed this looter on our way out from a war back when I was in TUF. Skull placed crazily high over my head because of the Guthix mjilnor. 2nd Attempt at Fight Caves. This one just made me laugh. Little .gif I made of lvl-6 enchant, most people haven't seen it before. Pic of me ranging people in cwars, a friend took the picture which is why the angle is set so high. I lagged at steel dragons awhile ago, when the lag caught up with the game, 3 fire balls came at me, hence the name "dragonfire snowman" :P. Just a cool pic of the commorb in action. The little anger spell in the Anger Cave. This was done before Dark Gloves came out and I wasn't 99 strength yet. A demonstration of the Gadderhammer's special ability against shades :P. One of my best Dragon Halberd specials, 44 33 on a Fire Giant. I wasn't 99 strength yet and I don't think Dark Gloves were out yet. 114 done on me in Castlewars, thanks to a Saradomin brew.

Oh good suggestion. I'll add it.

Cannon pieces dont weigh as much as the tar barrels from what I've seen.

Rune boots are 2 kg btw, you say your pair of white is 1 kg.

They do. They're 16 kg. Just tested myself. Btw, Fire cape is 2 kg, so add 1 to whatever you find.

You could try that but I think you will find that without the 4 inventory spaces you will be forced to either eat your food, drop some kind of potion, or drink unnecessary doses of your potions in order to make room for the loot. By the 5th to 7th dragon you will usually have those 4 spaces already filled with stackable drops such as Souls, Bloods, Rune javs, Rune darts, Rune knives, or Rune\Addy bolts which of course aren't ideal for alching. But I don't know, I haven't tried bringing alch runes in the past also because they generally drop the stackable items more often than the non-stackable. I will do some experimenting with this today, we'll see how it goes. Just need to buy some more pray pots. EDIT: Ok, I tried a round with high alch runes and it didn't go so well. It was a constant struggle for free inventory space and I had to keep switching items between ones on the ground and ones in my inventory in order to keep items I needed. At one point I had to keep two items on the ground in order to keep enough space for loot. I wouldn't recommend bringing high alch runes unless you bring less of something else. I did manage my 4th d skirt this trip though :

Grats on the Dragon legs :P. I think I'm up to 4 legs and 3 skirts myself. Was crazy this morning though, had to remind myself to pay more attention to RS. I was distracted by the "Week in the Weird" articles on Comcast's website. I was reading an article and I looked back at my screen and I was face to face with a Steel dragon with 15 hitpoints and 0 prayer left. Quickly ate a shark and a dose of pray pot and flipped it on before I choked on my heart lol. Luckily if I had died I would've kept Fire cape, Abyssal whip, and Dark gloves. I was testing to see if focusing on prayer bonus would work better than focusing on attack bonus. For the record, do NOT focus on prayer bonus... it was like trying to stab the ocean... my swings did absolutely nothing.

I knew I forgot something lol. I'll add that, thanks :-#

Ah thanks, I'll correct that.

~The Ultimate Guide to Meleeing Iron and Steel Dragons~ -Written by Headnazgul Last Updated On: October 14th, 2006 NOTE: This is an extensive guide, if there is something specific you are looking for, I suggest using Ctrl+F and typing in what you need. Table of Contents 1.0 Introduction 2.0 Why Melee Iron\Steel Dragons? 3.0 Recommended Levels ---3.1 Iron Dragons ---3.2 Steel Dragons 4.0 Recommended Equipment 5.0 How Do I Get To Iron\Steel Dragons? 6.0 Fighting The Dragons ---6.1 Preparations ---6.2 Best Places To Stand ---6.3 General Guidelines ---6.4 Conserving Inventory Space 7.0 Drop Lists ---7.1 Iron Dragons ---7.2 Steel Dragons ---7.3 Example of One Trips Loot 8.0 Frequently Asked Questions 9.0 Feedback 10.0 Special Thanks 1.0 Introduction Before I get to the good parts, I just want to say that I know what youre thinking: Not another metal dragon guide Yes, I realize there are a few guides which already exist, but they are either out-dated, designed for mages, or arent anywhere near detailed enough to be of much help. Iron Dragon (lvl-189) Its scales seem to be made of iron. Steel Dragon (lvl-246) Its scales seem to be made of steel. Iron Dragons and Steel Dragons are some of the highest level creatures in Runescape that arent boss monsters. Never underestimate these guys as they could easily kill the best of us with melee or dragon breath. It is therefore extremely important to always have an anti-dragon breath shield equipped when fighting these. They dont simply have a close-range dragon breath but a long-range one as well which makes them highly aggressive towards players even up to about 8 paces away but only for about 20 to 30 minutes like most creatures in Runescape. This long-range dragon breath prevents you from being able to range these with a bow, but it is what allows mages to kill them because the dragon will always use its long-range breath if you are out of range of its melee or close-range breath. It is very important to note that these dragons have among the highest defense of any monster in Runescape which is why I am recommending such high levels in section 3.0. Iron and Steel Dragons also have some of the most consistently valuable drops of almost any monster Ive fought and will sometimes drop a few valuable dragon items. For more information on the drops, check section 7.0. I have decided to exclude Bronze Dragons from this guide as they are simply not worth the potions and the time to kill. They have mediocre rune drops and can drop Dragon Platelegs and Plateskirts, but the odds are immensely less than from Iron and Steel Dragons. I recommend not wasting your time on them unless you feel you are not ready for Iron and Steel Dragons or need a little practice before going up against the big guys. If you decide to fight Bronze Dragons instead, you should still use this guide as a general idea of how to fight them. This guide is intended for experienced players. That being said, I am assuming you dont need to be told what a dragon is. This guide covers why, where, and how to melee Iron and Steel Dragons. 2.0 Why Melee Iron\Steel Dragons? I have spent the past week at Iron and Steel Dragons, just for pure enjoyment of it. Like a lot of people my level, I grew tired of the same old monsters and the same old clickn wait that fighting had become, so I set out to fight a monster that I hadnt fought in awhile, was fun, not crowded, and had interesting and valuable drops. First round at Iron and Steel Dragons and I was hooked. While fighting the dragons, your main goal is to get a dragon drop in order to pay for the potions you are using and whatever else you want money for. A pair of dragon legs goes for roughly 2.4M and a skirt can go for around 700k these days, which is enough to cover a fair amount of potions. As mentioned earlier, Iron and Steel Dragons consistently drop valuable items, more-so than almost any non-boss monster in Runescape. This makes them a magnet for meleers and magers interested in scoring some cash. But which method works better? I am sure you have heard your friends or people on the forums or someone else talking about how magic is best to use. Well, heres why I believe if you are strong enough, you should melee them instead and save yourself A LOT of money. About 4 days into my week at Iron and Steel Dragons, I began wondering why everyone thought I was crazy for meleeing them. So, I decided to try magic for a short while. I threw on some mystic, grabbed runes for Fire Blast and Magic Dart, and made my way to the dragons. It was soon apparent to me that I was barely hitting the dragons any more often than I was when meleeing them. I also noticed how incredibly short-lasted my runes were. I brought enough runes to cast 3k Fire Blasts or Magic Darts, and after about 25 Iron\Steel Dragons, I had already used nearly 1000 death runes. Thats roughly 10k gp worth of runes per dragon, not even counting the other runes used in the spells. Thinking this was simply because I used death runes, I tried the same experiment with Fire Bolt and Chaos Gauntlets. Again, I found the amount of runes it took to kill the dragons to be repulsing. It took nearly 1000 chaos runes just to kill about 20 Iron\Steel Dragons. Thats approximately 7k gp worth of runes per dragon, not even counting the other runes. Compare all this to meleeing the dragons where I usually use not even one dose of prayer potion per dragon. For the round of dragons I did in order to post an example of an average trips loot in section 7.3, I killed a total of 52 dragons with 40 doses of Prayer Potions. Keep in mind that while doing this trip I killed mostly Steel Dragons and I accidentally drank 2 doses of Prayer Potions during the trip :oops:. 3.0 Recommended Levels ---3.1 Recommended Levels For Iron Dragons--- 12 Agility 80 Attack 80 Strength 80 Defense 80 Hitpoints 55 Prayer Iron Dragons are still possible to kill with levels under these, but I would be weary about doing so as you may be using too many potions to make a consistent profit. ---3.2 Recommended Levels For Steel Dragons--- 12 Agility 90 Attack 90 Strength 90 Defense 90 Hitpoints 65 Prayer Steel Dragons are still possible to kill with levels below these. Be careful if you plan on doing so though, as you may be using too many potions to make a consistent profit. 4.0 Recommended Equipment NOTE: I know I do not have an axe in any of these setups because throughout this guide I mention how it is better to walk over to the pirate pub in Brimhaven and take the Bronze Axe off the table instead of using your own. If you just happen to have a bunch of Bronze Axes you are willing to drop, bring one each trip. Extremist Setup I dont use this setup personally because if you lag and die, you will lose a lot of valuable items. If you feel like risking it for a bit of extra defense, go for it, but its not really necessary as you will be using Melee Protect anyway. The Saradomin Brew can heal about 16 or 17 hitpoints per dose and raises your defense as much as a Super Defense Potion. The only downside to using a Saradomin Brew to heal is that it lowers all your other combat stats, which is why I recommend using Super Restores along side the brew. The Super Stat Restores can restore a couple more prayer points than Prayer Potions and they will raise any lowered stats back to normal. Nothing in this cave can lower your stats and these potions can be harder to come by so I prefer this next setup. My Personal Setup Through trial and error I have come to this setup and it works perfectly for me. I usually run out of Antifire doses the same time I run out of Prayer doses. This wont necessarily be true for everyone as my melee stats are maxed out. If youre around 90 attack, strength, and defense, Id recommend taking an extra Prayer Potion and Antifire Potion. If youre around 80 attack, strength, and defense, Id recommend taking 2 extra Prayer Potions and an extra Antifire Potion. Try to experiment and see what works best for you. I bring one shark just in case I get hit before I have Melee Protect activated and also in case I run out of prayer and still have to kill the last dragon I am fighting. You never know which one will drop a pair of Dragon Platelegs or Plateskirt. Most of my best drops have been on my last or second to last dragon. Although the armor looks like Initiate it's not, it is Proselyte. I highly recommend it over Initiate as it has better melee defense and better prayer bonus. A full set of Proselyte, including the helm, is only around 25k gp. Minimalist Setup If you dont have the items listed in the previous setups, or dont wish to risk said items, try this setup instead. It works better than you might think as Iron and Steel Dragons are weakest against stab attacks. So if you use this setup with the Dragon Longsword, be sure to attack the dragons using the stab attack style otherwise you will not hit them much at all. However, even though they are weak against stab, Abyssal Whip is still the better choice because of its higher speed and higher power. If you don't have a Warrior Helm or simply don't wish to use yours, a Proselyte or Initiate Helm is your best bet. The added prayer bonus really helps out against these monsters. If you don't feel like walking all the way to the Bronze axe spawn in Brimhaven every trip, just make a bunch of axes you're willing to drop and bank them. Before each trip just take one out and then drop it when you reach the dragons. This will save you a lot of time between trips, but it's up to you. Super Strength Potions arent entirely necessary if you cant afford them or dont wish to use them. I still highly recommend using them as they help out a ton against these dragons high defense. As far as the other potions go, you will need those without question in order to succeed at meleeing metal dragons. Instead of using a warrior helm during slayer tasks of Iron or Steel Dragons, a Black mask is highly recommended as it has a 15 percent bonus to attack and strength on slayer assignments. Thanks to Wozfe for this suggestion. The little crystal in the corner is a Tiny Elf Crystal which I use to teleport out when finished with a trip. The cool thing about the Tiny Elf Crystal is its a one-inventory-spot teleport, and the place you teleport to has an altar for recharging prayer and is right next to a bank. Tiny Elf Crystals are obtained by starting Mourning's End Part 1 and by killing Elves in Lletya. If you dont have one of these or dont wish to use yours, the next best thing would be a House Teleport Tablet. If you dont have that, Id recommend an Ectophial. Inventory space is critical while fighting Iron and Steel Dragons, so if anything, DO NOT use a teleport spell which requires 3 different runes to cast. I don't recommend using the free Lumbridge Teleport instead of bringing the Tiny Elf Crystal to save space. The crystal is not only good because it takes only 1 inventory space but it's also a great way to escape in an emergency. The new Lumbridge Teleport doesn't work during combat, so I wouldn't recommend it unless you know exactly what you're doing and are willing to risk it. Instead of using 1 shark, you may also use a Basket of strawberries. A Basket of strawberries can hold 5 strawberries which heal 6 hitpoints each, so one basket can heal a total of 30 hitpoints, instead of 20 hitpoints with a shark. If you wish to use a different setup than these, I highly suggest basing it off of at least Initiate Plate and Initiate Legs, and then focusing on attack bonuses instead of prayer bonus from there. If you have Proselyte armor, I suggest you use that instead of Initiate. I have found accuracy to be far more important than prayer bonus while fighting these dragons. Make sure that whichever setup you choose that you be careful about which items you will protect if you die. 5.0 How Do I Get To Iron\Steel Dragons? I recommend starting each trip in Ardougne. Head to the docks in south Ardougne and pay the Captain 30 gp to be taken to Brimhaven. Once in Brimhaven, walk east towards the Agility Arena, and once youve reached that, turn south. When you come across a pub filled with pirates (farthest south building), there should be a Bronze Axe on one of the tables. Take that, as you will need it to get through the dungeon. Walk due west until you pass the water to your south. From here, start walking southwest towards the gold mine. Once you reach the gold mine and the dungeon symbol, speak to the NPC named Saniboch or right click him and select the Pay option. This is where your remaining 875 gp comes in. Paying Saniboch allows you to enter the Brimhaven Dungeon. Refer to the map below for easier instructions. This is where it can get confusing, if it hasnt already, so please refer to the map below for continued instructions on reaching the Iron and Steel Dragons. 6.0 Strategies ---6.1 Preparations--- The first things you should do when you reach the actual area the Iron and Steel Dragons are in is to drink 1 dose of Antifire, 1 dose of Super Attack, 1 dose of Super Strength (if you have them), and to turn on Melee Protect prayer. Antifire Potions last about 5 minutes per dose, so you should be able to kill at least a couple dragons before having to drink another dose. Check this next section to find out exactly where you should stand. ---6.2 Best Places To Stand--- If you are planning on fighting Iron Dragons, I recommend fighting them in the spot shown below. There arent many Steel Dragons nearby and there are enough Iron Dragons to keep you busy. Just alternate between them. Try not to step out of the area highlighted in the image, as this will most likely run you into a Steel Dragon or bring you outside of the Iron Dragons range, causing them to become aggressive again. If you are planning on fighting Steel Dragons, I advise fighting them in the spot shown below. These two are close enough together to allow them to go un-aggressive after a short while. There also arent any Iron Dragons between them, allowing you access to only Steel Dragons. Try not to wander outside of the area highlighted on the map as it will run you into Iron Dragons or may bring you out of range of the Steel Dragons, causing them to become aggressive again. If you are interested in killing both, I suggest you use the spot shown below. There are 3 Iron Dragons and 1 Steel Dragon in this area and because they are packed so closely together, they will eventually become un-aggressive, making things easier. Try to stay inside the highlighted area in order to keep these dragons un-aggressive. ---6.3 General Guidelines--- For general beginners I actually recommend trying Steel Dragons first. If you become annoyed at how little you are hitting them, switch to Iron Dragons. Switching from Steel Dragons to Iron Dragons will be like hopping into a luke-warm swimming pool after getting out of the hot-tub. You will notice a tremendous difference in how much you hit, and you will probably enjoy yourself much more than if you had started out on Iron Dragons. Steel Dragons really do make Iron Dragons seem like wimps. The first few attacks on the dragon should almost always be with your DDS. Its best to use a special but if you dont have enough energy thats fine. I try to deal damage at least 2 or 3 times with the DDS in order to ensure that the dragon is poisoned. Correct me if Im wrong, but in my experience, you only poison your enemy if you deal damage. One thing that Ive been doing lately to help poison the dragon and also to help keep me busy and on my toes is to switch off every hit between DDS and Abyssal Whip without skipping a turn. Its quite fun and it helps you have a better chance at poisoning it. Poisoning the dragon is important if you have a low attack level. While fighting Iron and Steel Dragons, try to always keep an eye on your prayer points, Attack and Strength levels, and your chatbox. In the chat window, if the Antifire Potion is working, the last word you will see after being hit by dragon breath is breath!. If the Antifire Potion is not working, the last word you will see is fire! So try to keep that in mind so you know when to drink another dose of Antifire Potion. You can also tell if the Antifire Potion has worn off when you start getting hit by small numbers between 1 and 5. If this happens, drink another dose of Antifire. You should try to keep your Attack and Strength levels at least 8 to 10 levels over your normal level in order to keep up a good pace. So if youre 80 strength and you super potted a few mins ago and youre now 88 strength, repot. This is important because if you forget to pot (like I sometimes have) you will hit the dragons far less often and you will be using way too many Prayer and Antifire Potions to kill the dragons. For the first 20 to 30 minutes, when the dragons are still aggressive towards you, play it safe and keep your Melee Protect prayer activated so they dont hurt you while youre picking up loot. After they become un-aggressive, try to turn off prayer whenever possible so as to save potions. If you find yourself fighting a dragon with less than half hitpoints left and youre low on prayer, make sure you are ready to fight without prayer. To kill a newly spawned Iron Dragon should take between 15 and 25 prayer points, so keep that in mind. If you dont have enough prayer points, make sure you have at least 2 kinds of food on you that can heal ~20 hitpoints each. Curry that the dragons drop is a good thing to stockpile for the end if you have the free space to do it as it heals 19. If you have leftover Super Attack and\or Super Strength Potions, dont be hesitant to pot up for the very last drag, even if your only a few levels below your potted level. Super Attacks and Super strengths are very cheap, so dont worry about it. Alternatively, if you have some prayer points left but dont think you have enough left for a Steel Dragon, kill a couple Iron Dragons instead. ---6.4 Conserving Free Inventory Space--- Free inventory space is a luxury at Iron and Steel Dragons. They have so many great drops you will be forcing yourself to drop something good to make room for something better at some point or another. This is the reason I advise you to not bring your own hatchet. By taking the bronze hatchet from the Pub in Brimhaven, you are able to drop it when you reach the dragons to gain an extra inventory space. Bury all your bones until you have 1 or 2 Prayer Potions left. Near the end, feel free to pick them up and save them for later if you have the space. If youre trying to raise prayer, its a good idea to bank the extras and save them for bonus xp at a later time. But all the dragon bones I pick up prior to the end of my rounds I bury. If you are lucky (or unlucky, depending on how you look at it), you will get a Gravedigger random event. If you get this random event, click on the Mausoleum behind the Gravedigger and deposit all the loot you can. This Mausoleum works just like a Deposit Box at banks, meaning its deposit only. This random event has saved me from dropping quite a few valuable items to make room for more loot. Plus you get emotes and clothes and such. Also, it is important to note that while you are participating in this event, you will more likely than not still have your prayer turned on. Do not freak out about this. Prayer points do not drain during the Gravedigger random event however Im pretty sure, but not positive, that the Antifire Potions effect can wear off during this event. As mentioned earlier, try to keep teleportation devices\runes to AT MOST two inventory spaces. One space is ideal so try to only use teleports such as Tiny Elf Crystals, House Teleport Tablets, or Ectophials for teleporting out of the caves. To save money, teleport somewhere that is near an altar, such as Lletya (altar above the bank) or your houses Chapel if you have one. This will keep you from drinking any prayer potions which could be put to better use. 7.0 Drop Lists ---7.1 Iron Dragons--- Gold: 270-3000 100%: Dragon bones, Iron bar (5) Weapons: Addy 2h, Addy battleaxe, Addy axe, Mithril 2h, Rune 2h, Rune battleaxe, Rune mace, Rune axe, Rune spear, Dragon spear. Armor: Addy sq, Rune med, Rune plate, Rune sq, Dragon platelegs, Dragon Plateskirt, Dragon med. Runes\Ammo: Bloods (15), Deaths (45), Natures (67), Laws (45), Souls (3), Steel arrows (150), Rune arrows (42), Rune javelins (5), Addy javelins (20), Rune knives (5), Rune darts(p) (4, 9), Addy bolts (2-12). Miscellaneous Items: Addy bar (2), Curry, Nature talisman, Runite bar, silver ore (100), Super attack potion (3 dose), Super strength potion (1 dose), Clue (lvl 3), Runite crossbow limbs, Uncut gems, Half key, Cut dragonstone, Shield left half. ---7.2 Steel Dragons--- Gold: 470-3000 100%: Dragon bones, Steel bar (5) Weapons: Addy battleaxe, Rune axe, Rune battleaxe, Rune longsword, Rune 2h, Rune mace, Dragon spear. Armor: Addy kiteshield, Addy plate, Rune full helm, Rune sq, Rune kiteshield, Dragon platelegs, Dragon plateskirt, Dragon med . Runes\Ammo: Bloods (15, 20), Natures (67), Laws (45), Deaths (45), Souls (3, 5), Rune arrows (42), Steel arrows (150), Runite bolts (2-12), Rune darts(p)(12), Addy javelins (20), Rune javelins (7), Rune knives (7). Miscellaneous Items: Clue (lvl 3), Curry (1,2), Super attack potion (3 dose), Super defense potion (2 dose), Super strength potion (1 dose), Silver ore (100), Runite bar, Uncut gems, Cut dragonstone, Runite crossbow limbs, Nature talisman, Half key, Shield left half. ---7.3 One Trips Loot--- To give you an idea of how common or rare the drops are, I did one round of dragons and kept a log of the drops: 1. (Iron Dragon) 15 Blood runes 2. (Iron Dragon) 270 GP 3. (Steel Dragon) ~800 GP 4. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins 5. (Steel Dragon) 20 Blood runes 6. (Steel Dragon) Clue (lvl 3) 7. (Steel Dragon) 20 Blood runes 8. (Steel Dragon) Runite limbs 9. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins 10. (Steel Dragon) 20 Blood runes 11. (Iron Dragon) Runite limbs 12. (Steel Dragon) Addy kiteshield 13. (Steel Dragon) ~600 gp 14. (Steel Dragon) Super attack (3 dose) 15. (Steel Dragon) Runite bar 16. (Steel Dragon) Rune mace 17. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins 18. (Steel Dragon) 12 Rune darts (p) 19. (Steel Dragon) Super attack (3 dose) 20. (Steel Dragon) 20 Blood runes 21. (Steel Dragon) Runite limbs 22. (Steel Dragon) 3k GP 23. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins 24. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins 25. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins 26. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins (Argh! :() 27. (Steel Dragon) 20 Blood runes 28. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins 29. (Steel Dragon) 20 Blood runes 30. (Steel Dragon) Rune mace 31. (Steel Dragon) Addy kiteshield 32. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins 33. (Steel Dragon) ~500 GP 34. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins 35. (Steel Dragon) 20 Blood runes 36. (Steel Dragon) Runite limbs 37. (Steel Dragon) Uncut emerald 38. (Steel Dragon) 20 Blood runes 39. (Steel Dragon) 3k GP 40. (Steel Dragon) Uncut sapphire 41. (Steel Dragon) ~300 GP 42. (Steel Dragon) Nothing 43. (Steel Dragon) Runite limbs 44. (Steel Dragon) 7 Rune javelins 45. (Steel Dragon) Super attack (3 dose) 46. (Steel Dragon) 20 Blood runes 47. (Steel Dragon) 20 Blood runes 48. (Steel Dragon) Super attack (3 dose) 49. (Steel Dragon) ~400 GP 50. (Steel Dragon) Rune mace 51. (Iron Dragon) ~500 GP 52. (Iron Dragon) Addy battleaxe Before and After Pictures: After the Runite limbs are made into Rune crossbows you can fetch around 25 to 35k each for them. As you can see, Blood runes are pretty common, and this round the Blood runes alone covered all the costs for the potions. Good luck on your own drops! 8.0 Frequently Asked Questions Why don't you explain how to kill Bronze Dragons? Bronze dragons are one of the few monsters in RuneScape I despise killing. They have bad loot considering they're a metal dragon, they almost never drop dragon platelegs\skirt, they're surrounded by annoying wild dogs, and you can't turn a consistent profit by killing them. I may at some later point in time decide to complete this guide by adding a section on killing Bronze Dragons, but it will probably be a long time. If I wanted to ignore everything you said and try ranging these, how would I do it? If you're so intent on ranging iron or steel dragons, keep in mind you MUST wear an antifire shield. Which means you can range with only darts, throwing knives, throwing axes, Toktz-Xil-Ul (obsidian throwing rings), and finally, javelins. None of those except the obsidian throwing rings are very accurate, and they're very expensive. Expect to waste a lot of ammo attempting to range them. With this setup it's still recommended that you use antifire potions and melee protect, so a mix of range bonus and prayer bonus is a good idea. How many dragon items have you gotten off of metal dragons? I have currently received 6 Dragon Platelegs and 7 Dragon Plateskirts from Iron and Steel dragons. Most were from Steels however, as I usually focus on them instead of Irons. 9.0 Feedback If this guide was unable to assist you, give me some suggestions on how to improve it. If you have any questions you are welcome to post them here or PM me on the forums. I will get back to you as soon as possible. 10.0 Special Thanks Wozfe for the Black mask suggestion. msiGC for the Basket of strawberries suggestion. Tip.It for the maps, monster images, and drop lists. You for reading my guide (especially if you read all of it, good job!)

Dragon warhammer all the way. I've been waiting forever for a giant cube of Dragon to smash things with.

I was there at the 86's for approximately 10 hours in Guthans just messing around awhile ago. I banked with 1600 bloods, 1800 deaths, 1300 ess, 156 laws, 134 mith, 673 addy arrows, and approximately 30 or 40k cash. Oh also, something I didn't learn of until I was on my way to the Ankous, the little yellow teleports skip each level for you lol. They cut the trip down from like 10 minutes to about 50 seconds from Edgeville.

Ok, I just finished scanning again with McAfee, Ad-Aware SE, AND Windows Defender, and nothing out of the ordinary was found.

It sounds like Baradur!! I want it! :( Mine is Dokkur, it's not bad, but it's no Bardur :(.

I took some screen shots of what Process Explorer showed in my post :P. I've had it for awhile and it's helped in the past. But I'm posting this here because what's using all the CPU is "System". It's not even "System Idle Process", it's the actual "System" and I can't close it. I checked it's properties and found which "thread" (I dunno what a thread is) was using the most cpu, and its highlighted in the next pic. I run a McAfee virus sweep almost every other night and nothing has come up. I'll run an Ad-Aware SE scan right now and see if it finds anything though. Thanks for the help everyone, hope I don't need to take it in though lol.

I hope 1 in 20, I just made 25 and I'm hoping for the best :P. But my guess is like 1 in 10 at best will raise con, like 1 in 100 would raise it +6. First one raised con by +4, but when I drank a tea, it didn't stack. WTH JAGEX *angry fist*. There goes the last of them. 25 stews and only one of them raised my con level, by +4, and it didn't stack with my tea :(.

It's not impossible, it's just rare. If it was easy, everyone with 84 crafting would be making furies, or people with 93 smithing would be making full rune, or people would be making 2x natures at 85 rcing, because orange spicey stew has a chance at raising all of those +6 as well. But that's just why everyone thinks they don't, because it's such a rare occasion.

I run that many and more all the time without this problem. This just happens at random times for some reason. Why does all the CPU usage go to system instead of the individual programs? I'd think it would show more usage of the programs themselves than System. I've tried closing most the unnecessaries in the past though. They always open right back up so I just gave up and stopped trying. Only ones I close now are ones in the tasktray that I don't use.

The knowledge base says "if you're lucky you will get a bonus of +12!". The chances of the stew raising Construction at all are slim, the chances of it raising Construction by +6 are just that much more rare.

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So I'm guessing the problem lies somewhere in there... I realize restarting my computer solves the problem, it has in the past, but I'm looking for a permanent solution. This is really frustrating. I can't play RS, I can't surf forums, I can barely type. Why even right now as I type this out, the computer is 10 to 20 characters behind my fingers. It took me nearly 30 minutes just to type this whole thing out, take the hijackthis log and copy it here, and take the screenies. That doesn't even include the 9 minute start-up for Photoshop to add explanations to the pictures. However fun watching the computer type by itself is, I want this fixed. Any help or information is greatly appreciated.

Np. A lot of rumors around RS, it can be difficult :P. That was a 12 runite bolt drop btw. I have gotten 2 3 5 7 and 8 as well.

Alright it's uploading now. It's approximately 12mb and 2 minutes long. I managed to get the drops back to back. Here are the screenies I took during the vid: The vid is uploaded but it's taking forever for it to process so you can watch it...

Alright, I'll get you a vid of it. What website would you like it to be uploaded to?