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I kind of like this idea. I even think, this should be done. Although you do not say it should happen, I could see this happening. Would be the update of a lifetime for F2P (a big one as they do not get many updates) And P2P will enjoy it. As a lot of P2P, pk in non-member worlds. I really like this idea, a great suggestion. At the moment, the team capes are not commonly used. I do not PK alot, but I never come across them, except for some people for looks. Also, I do not see any big Cons to this change. It will not change anything for F2P, except that their cape colour changes. It will make PK'ing a little bit easier, for those who PK alot. And for them who do not PK alot, they get a nice looking cape. The only Con I could think off, is that it might increase more F2P pking. Instead of P2P pking But really that is not a Con.. So, a great suggestion. Could be even suggested to Jagex. Although they probably won't, I can't see why not 8-)

I have played Runescape a couple of years and since 6 months, I've becomen a member. A few facts about me. While I was F2P, I got bored easily, because well, at some point, you run out of things to do. And I noticed friends of mine becoming member and had a great time. Then they asked me, why don't you become a member, its fun and not that expensive. Just 5 bucks a month! (which is quite cheap). I've always said, a game is not worth the money. And it would contribute to my addiction to play the computer. Then, about 9 months ago, it was my birthday. The gift I asked: Permission to play World of Warcraft (monthly fee). So I got permission, payed for the game myself. The only rule: if it doesn't work out, you are not allowed to continue. So I played WoW, got bored, just not my game. And stopped. But I had the right to pay for a game at that point. So hell with it, I tried Runescape. Always wanted to try it out one time.. and quite suprisingly.. I like it. Reason: I do not get bored. In F2P, I got bored. In P2P, I do not get bored. I pay a small fee, for the fact I do not get bored so fast, so I can play this game in a more fun way (I consider). Part of not being bored, is the (almost) weekly update. There is always something new to do. Runescape.. can.. and sometimes will become boring. If you have nothing to do, you get bored. Simple as that. In F2P, you WILL run out of things to do. (well, for some this is not true, but that differs for everyone). The advantage for P2P, the thing you are paying a fee for, is the update. It keeps the game a little more fun. If Jagex updates F2P more frequently, or even with a fun mini-game, people in F2P will be bored far less easy. A great way to lure more people to the game, but the growth of memberships will slim/fall down. People are having fun in F2P, why pay for a little more.. Thus, less memberships. Less profit. For all of you who have knowledge about economics, will understand a company will never let that happen. Thus Jagex will not update F2P. At least, not in such a way that staying F2P instead of becoming P2P, is worth it because you have fun in F2P. I do think F2P deserves some updates.. but not big ones. The holiday events are small updates. Big enough to keep lots of people satisfied, but small enough to be worth staying F2P because you just do not get bored. **Edited: Above my post (2-3 posts) there is stated, that F2P might get '''worn out'' updates of P2P. Things that have been updated ages ago, but are neglected due to it has almost no use to us. A great idea, I find this. But there are some things you need to consider: How will it change F2P? Will it effect the economy in a way that a skill will become to easy. Like (Example) adding the blast furnace to F2P, will sufficiently increase to smithing skill, by making it easier. (not a great idea..) And ofcourse, everything I stated above.

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56 Smithing, and no idea how to raise it fast and effective. But I do like the idea, so this is a support post. I've tried it once (with paying though) But if you do not count for the extra payment if you are under 60, this is just a great thing to use. You can smelt and smith and alch/stack them, without leaving the room! And above all, you make a profit, which is a rare deal in smithing nowadays. Especially on the lower levels. So really, guys, go and have fun. Oh ye, don't forget to smith \

scamming and swearing has been against the rules from the start Does this answer your question?

Iron sheets.. pff Your saying it yourself: The profit is smaller per set amount of ores. The time it takes is larger You have to mine your own ores for profit High requirements.. I mean, add these all up.. no And for the concerne of buyers. I started smithing and posted that people can come buy them, while I was smithing them. Didn't really take much trouble to sell them. The forums are a great way, or World 2 ranging area.

Well, the lowest level I did was lvl 43 on RSC. And the lowest level I've seen was lvl 10 (he didn't kill dragon yet), but he was always chatting on crandor and picking up stuff from those who died, including me. (Lost addy large there :P was a test run) O well, 2nd attempt I owned the dragon with only 2 swordfishes used. Rune baxe for the win! I got a rune plate from a good friend 2 days after I slayed Elvarg. To bad we lost contact :(

I cannot be bothered. I became members at lvl 86 and I am currently lvl 94. And I 've been runecrafting since I have been member. The result: 1x Pked many attempts I got killed, because I didn't take an escape and did not pay attention. The attempts, I laugh to the pkers and just run of with the glory they so desperatly want. If I have to miss all the laughing at pathetic PK'ers, by spending hours making a ''runecrafter.'' Then no thank you, im doing fine on my main laughing and runecrafting. What do I have to lose when PK'ed. A half hour work of runecrafting at most!

You forgot about the talismans, as not many of us can do magic imbue. But what is the effect of the necklace of binding? It has 15 charges, but does this count for 15x crafting, or 15 runes made? I guess for 15x crafting, but would this maybe be cheaper then astrals? (taking in account, that astrals cost 100ea to make)

Lunar magicks should be lowered a bit and increasingly spells should be added. Lunar has just way to high requirements for the use it gives! Lvl 82 for the runecrafting spell that makes 100% combi-runes, madness!

Its ussualy the other way around, if buyers come, runners apear. As for me, I have been discussing combo-crafting by alot, but still after reading some of it, it really does not make any sense to me yet. For every time you craft, you need a talisman + the appropriate runes + pure essence. That is alot to think of. And I am not talking about the necklaces or runes and duel rings yet. Really, is there anyone who can explain the process in simple english :P (or even dutch) I love runecrafting, but it has never really gotten clear to me, what combi-crafting makes it worth it.

I've read the story aswell. The cask of amadillo. Interesting story, funny ending aswell. But I think Runescape will not close you up and build a wall and leave you to die, do they. They do however sell great wine. #-o

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tahts fast posting, im goign to do it now :)

actually, common sense would say if the minigame wasn't played a lot, the prices wouldn't raise sky high...simple economics i do like the idea of a minigame though. If the minigame isnt played alot, there is no demand for combi-runes, so still no demand, so still nobody crafts them. I have taken this into account \

Just read my sig. :) That said, I am not writing as regular guest author for the Tip.it Times anymore. Seems like Illuminitai did some nice research on that... His calculations suggest that nature crafting is actually best for everyone (from an economic point of view only though). Although I think truth may be slightly different and that combo runes may actually be best till level 91 runecrafting (double natures) and after that nature runecrafting is best. Too lazy to do extensive calculations on that though. Got your link saved. Well, time is money they say, or is money time? I guess the true moneymakers and gamers know for themselves what they find more important. So we have this: FFL --> Well, its good experience, its pretty expensive, but you can do it as a combat lvl 3.. Nature runes --> If you do not have millions to waste and plenty of time, this is the way for you! A great moneymaker and quite a lot of fun. Air company --> You got money to spend, not very much, but you have it. And you do not care about all the profit you are missing out on. O well its good experience Combi- runes --> You got the money, you just do not have the time. What you do have on the other hand is 82 magic and a hell of a load of emeralds and astral runes. So hell with it, im going to do this fast and clean (although expensive) Fire runes --> Its not that fast, not that expensive. Though you are not making profit, still a 'small loss' for the time saved. Good for a level or two, but you will get bored fast as there is no real excitement (speed / cash / runes) in it.. I can say: this pretty much sums it up, considering the methods of runecrafting. As for Combi-runes. Time effective, but high requirements. A great way to do it. If the combi-runes would get a decent market value, this would become THE way to train runecrafting.

Well, what you have stated is pretty general. So really, it still could be anything. Maybe some of it is true, but really do you care? Because as the title says, it comes tomorrow and that will not kill you right?

Yes very true, if you use this data, but the problem probaly is what you stated far above, in your first post. You will need either alot of necklaces of binding or astral runes and did you say 82 :shock: magic.. I just got 73' :( I think this might be a problem aight?

How much is the mage exp and how many essence can you craft / hour. Need to take the 53K less runes to craft into consideration too, via the value of time (say ~200K-300K / hour for reasonability). Don't think the combi-runes are really a viable option though. There is no demand for them, as you already pointed out. In the current situation it will simply mean that their prices drop from the ~300 you say there are now to far lower when they'd be mass produced. Hey duke, when are you writing another Tip.it article man, Loved your previous articles. Now back ontopic: Well, what IDR also said, there should be a use for it and this should boost runecrafting. A reason to do it, is easier training and not making a TO BIG loss and ofcourse moneymakers like nature crafting. But because combi-crafting has absolutely no use, it seems way to expensive. I remember a previous playermade guide about this and that one showed that Combi crafting is about 3x as expensive as the FFL.. Ill try and find the post and post it here. MAYOR EDIT: http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=621870 All credit for this goes to: Illuminitai As stated, the cost for Combi Runes and FFL seem the same (I trust this guys calculations as I have read the rest of his Guide to, which is extremely well written.) But the time is just 2/3th of the entire time! Impressive! (might worth a go..)

After several posts here, I suddenly realized, I have never crafted combi-runes and so does 99.9% of all runecrafters. Although I do get the idea, could you please describe the process in vage terms. Such as exact requirements (items) for the proces. The costs is 55.9M. So the TOTAL cost of combi runes should be well under 55.9M AND be as fast or faster. So a few numbers, if you could find them: Exp / hour for FFL Exp / hour Combi-runes Cost / exp FFL = about 10gp /exp I thought Cost / exp Combi-runes = ? With those numbers, I can make a nice calculation, so can you perhaps, about the best way.

If jagex did this- and I know they do- they could figure out the variables and the calculations involved, and made sure they didn't overdo it :P Some of the last couple year's updates have been too teleological for me not to think otherwise. They know what they're doing now. And yes, I inferring that andrew and paul's original concepts were so out there. But still you haven't answered my question, would it be possible. Because if Jagex does not do 1 thing is change the excisting. They will never change excisting things. Or they would have done so many things already. They will not change combi-crafting. to bad for us.. A minigame with combi-runes would raise the prices sky high, making the minigame cost alot, thus not played.. Would make common sense.. So really, is it possible. I would love so, but I remain scepticle.

Well written post. But I have always thought it was far more expensive to use the combination rune. As essence and the runes are needed. And also the emeralds. If you can back this up with calculations, I would say, yes it is a better way of crafting. For the fact of combi-runes. There is absolutely no use except a few quests, which require 1 or 2 combi-runes. They might be just abbused in the echanting room of the magic training arena. But really, Jagex should! add a usefull use for this. A good minigame would certainly do the trick, BUT they COULD nerf combi-runes as tons of people will make it and consider it a good way to RC. A risk, which probaly wont happen. But could you think of ANY good way to use them, but not overdo it, that it requires some SERIOUS crafting, as this will make the minigame a total disaster?

You do realize.. that after April 30s, the next day will be the first of May right?

A miracle nobody mentioned the OCC or OOC? O well, the famous clan whose goal in life is: KAH BAH GEE! God, I wish this was the real behind the scenes! I sure would love that! I mean, who doesn't want free cabage armour!

So.. free trip to lumb anyone? I do not feel this is nessecary, although it could be fun. But really, the duel arena is fine! There is absolutely no reason that a duel should be able to be held everywhere. The duel arena gives great! additions: a) A superduper teleport and a better use for my emeralds B) Everyone wanted to duel, meets at 1 place c) A great place to alch and watch duels d) TOMATO THROWING :D