Rebdragon

Wonder whatever happened to Carlin. It was nice having him around, even for only a couple dozen posts :) . And neither are women. We don't know where you left your keys. [...] If it's money, it will be spent. We do that. :D Touche :P .

Your insecurity about your intelligience and need to post that causes me to doubt it :-k :| .

Class, using your sharp intuitive skills, what do we now understand about the value of the former post?

Do I really have to? :XD: Yes :o!

Ya, most are pretty funny, all are brutally honest :P . Serephurus, your intuitive skills are remarkable :-k .

You don't even know what Club Penguin is, do you? It's raw horror... o_O.

Lost of practice, and being able to know your limits. :wink: How much of that stuff can you do o_O? I can do most of the basic stuff: wall jumping, front flips, aerials, but those experts are frikking scary o_O.

Heh, from the way he fell, it looked like he was an expert on knowing how to fall o_O. He started bycicling in mid air as soon as he lost his board, got his body around, softened the hit with his feet, and landed on his back in the only way that he wouldn't get hurt. So much luck, yet... geez o_O. Thank god he fell on an incline... Nice shoe launching skills, by the way.

Same, it's intense stuff o_O.

Before I go into my responses, I'd like to make my stance clear: I believe that certain games definitely be benefitial to oneself in regards to leadership, teamwork, and miscellaneous (sp?) advantages (I mean, I've read Ender's Game, I know how games can help :P ), but I feel that it is not right to say that gaming is just as valuable as sports, or that time spent trying to go pro in a sport is a waste of time. If you don't disagree with that stance, then we don't really have a conflict of opinion at all :P . Of course you do. Hehe, took me a while to get what you were saying/referring to. Nah, I've never played it, I've heard of it but never played. Not everyone on a Runescape forum has to be an expert on online gaming :P . It's not really a straw man, as I'm not only not saying that I win the argument with it, but it's more of a reference to Choco's (who I have yet to get a response from :| ) post, which only contained single player mindless games. If we want to talk about video games, we can't rule out the ones that don't help your argument, but including them still doesn't mean that I think I've won, as any example of video games helping one in real life has immeasurable value for your argument. I can see how you think it's a bit of a straw man though, oh well >_<. I'll concede that games can have real world value (only multiplayer games have any substantial amount of benefit though, I wouldn't exactly think of learning what a battle ax is as something all that substantial),but playing sports is, in my opinion, much more valuable in regards to the future. You get everything that the multiplayer games can offer (teamwork, leadership), and then some, and then some. Dedication, physical training, endurance training, a valuable skill, I mean, there's a reason colleges like to see people passionate and dedicated to a sport. I just don't see how any video games can even begin to compare to being as valuable as playing on the field. Online multiplayer is the only thing that comes anywhere close, but even then... But again, it's just the difference of opinion that makes it hard for us to understand eachother ^_^". I don't get it, if you're arguing that gaming is just as valuable as sports (sorry if I'm misinformed, a few people have made that point on this thread), why are you putting gaming in a negative light, while putting sports and athletics in a positive light? That is, could you see yourself saying: (gaming<->swimming)

I don't play Guild Wars, but in all honesty, do you learn all that much practical information about teamwork playing Guild Wars? Most of what you learn has to do with understanding the game more than real life. Though, again, I don't play, so you'll have to excuse my ignorance for a second. What happens during guild battles, and what about those guild battles (between you in your teammates) helps you in the real world, other than blatantly just saying "teamwork"? How often do people take leadership positions? What else can you tell me about it that would convince me that it's well used time, in comparison to say, soccer? Oh, and again, I'm already not an advocate for darts (I'm talking about real sports here, or at least getting up to archery please), and when I was putting it in the group with video games, I wasn't just talking about online stuff- I was including Megaman, Zelda, all that stuff that is, in a manner of speaking, totally worthless. Most benefits from games come from multiplayer games (that involve teamwork and coordination), but a vast number, possibly even the majority of games, are pretty much one player, and generally pretty useless. Massive EDIT: See, one of the lines I put between gaming and sports is that I play games solely for having fun. If I've had a rough day, or if I just got a C on a test, or if I'm just bored, playing games is a great way to have fun [with friends and family, or just alone]. It's great for relaxing, great for relieving stress, and great for owning that annoying 14 year old across the screen who won't shut up about how much he thinks he rocks at all Xbox live games. Good feeling. Sports, on the other hand, I do play for fun, but I also play them to get better, which is unlike what my goals are when gaming. When I'm out on the soccer field with ten minutes left in the game, bruised by the 6'5" guy I'm marking, and sucking wind playing outside mid as my asthma starts kicking in, I'm out there not because it's fun to be barely able to breathe, I'm out there to win, to get better, and to beat that mammoth I'm guarding's face into the ground. That's the line I draw between sports and gaming- fun isn't my only goal, it's about getting better, it's about winning. I don't play a game to win, I just want to have fun. Do you guys play games to have with the sole purpose of having fun, or do you play moreso to get better at the game, even to go pro? If so, that difference in opinion may be the reason why we're having a conflicting reasoning.

=.= Everyone, stopping helping this little kid. Now. :wall:

Why the hell are you in a rush? What, is the cookie monster going to reap your immortal soul if you don't finish each post in 5 seconds? Aaaannnnyyyywaayyys... I'd get a TI-83 if I were you. It has multiple lines, so it's easier to see the whole equation, it has lots of useful functions, doesn't cost as much as a car (like some calculators... how much is the Ti-89 again o_O? $400?), and you're definitely going to use it in high school. Plus, it's the most durable thing I've ever seen. I've literally dropped it from the second story in middle school (accidentally, mind you), and, 5 years later, it still works perfectly :XD: . You can shoot an bullet through it and it'll still work. It's crazy. So, TI-83 is my reccommendation.

Heh, same thing for me :lol: .

Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth.

I remember hearing that exact figure too a few years back (weird o_O) and it freaked my out at first. Then I actually thought about it for a second. How the hell would anyone know that :lol: ? It's not physically possible- you'd need to keep a camera in a couple hundred people's rooms, monitoring their sleep every night for decades. I mean, you don't even need to look at the facts in that source (however interesting they are), it's just not possible for it not to be a myth made up by some stupid teenager :lol: .

Beside the point? Don't try and hide the humongous flaw in your argument- playing sports not only trains the body, but it makes people more dedicated, determined, and persevering. Sure, not everyone goes pro, but they still never lose the valuable lessons they gained from playing the sport. Gaming... er... no. Just no. You try and go pro, and you fail, and everything you've done trying to go pro was a total waste of time. Trying to be a pro gamer is pathetic, trying to be a pro in a sport is not. Do you have a single coherent argument to the contrary? Hell yes it does. Gaming is worthless. It's fun and entertaining, but c'mon, don't bother trying to argue that playing Kingdom Hearts at two in the morning is just as good as training all day at summer Football camp. :lol: Wrong. You are not smarter because of gaming. You are smarter because of dedication to school and learning. That's just pathetic. Gaming doesn't help you, so stop acting like it does, and move on. Oh, and you think you're learning about economy by playing a certain MMORPG? Think again. The economy in that game is completely and utterly different than the real world economy, i.e. it's absolutely worthless knowledge in the real world. Unless, of course, you're about to take a trip to the Middle East to go test your haggling skills. You are fit and smart in spite of playing games, not because of playing games, genius. Ah, now I feel nostalgic of all the arguments with people trying to justify Runescape as educational and good for you... good times, good times.[/hide] What are you're views on non physical sports ie; bowling, archery, darts, snooker etc. Are they losers because it isn't physical? It depends on the "sport". When doing something like bowling you don't really have to endure pain (like you do in physical sports) and you don't have to do physical training (though you do for archery), but you still gain life trades. I would say without a doubt that when I'm 40 with kids, I'd rather know that I can bowl a 230 than know I can pwn at Halo. It's just a life trade that you know you're going to use throughout your life, and you know is going to wow people. Archery I'd consider in the same way- how cool would it be to be able to hit a target dead on from 100 meters away? Now, compare that to being able to own with Megaman. It's just better. Darts though is a little more recreational (I'd consider the pros recreational somewhat as well, but they're hella a good); I wouldn't really consider it a valuable life skill, nor something amazing, but it's kind of cool. I'd probably put that in with video games because it really doesn't take any pain to get good at it, there's no stress involved, and it's just done for fun, just like gaming. So again, it depends on the "sport". Also, I'm not saying anyone's a loser dude :lol: . I'm just stating my views of what is valuable time, and I don't consider most gaming valuable spent time. It's entertainment, it's fun, it's relaxing, it's enjoyable- they're games. I mean, it's good to play them to kick back and relax, but it's not exactly time spent for your future; it's time spent for now.

Yep. That's how the hammerheads getcha :P .

Don't you have it backwards :-s ? Eh, whatever floats your boat :-w . Oh, and thank you trapical for covering Lionheart's post :P . That post was just.... off, but you had far better anecdotal counterpoints than I do :P . Also, I'm confused, are you guys arguing that video games are just as valuable as playing sports or studying, or are you just expressing that it has at least some real world value (which is kind of a given)? And how much of gaming do you guys consider valuable (i.e., I'd consider a clan vs. clan game of GRAW2 great for building teamwork, reliability, strategizing [under pressure], steadyness, and reflexes, but playing a solo game like Megaman totally worthless)?

Yes. People are bastard coated batstards with bastard filling. [Cookie to anyone who knows the reference. ;D>]

No, I was talking about shows like "Ghost Hunters", where they actually search for ghosts during the show, and never do.

Best advice on this thread. Ya'll giving him specific guidelines for how to act seriously need to stop- it isn't really helping at all. Me, I went to a small middle school, and I currently go to a large all-boys High school, and the atmosphere is nothing like what all you describe (which comes with the lack of competitiveness for girls during school hours). There are no bullies, no cliques, no seniors-attacking-freshmen (though stories from other schools are quite funny), everyone is everything- smart, athletic (to some extent... :-# ), good natured, etc. Ya'll are acting like the human race is compiled completely of demons, which, although partially true, is far from the truth. Just relax and enjoy it :P .

I'm not exactly one to believe in the existence of souls, so... no :| . It's the whole evidence thing again- what precedence is there for believing that consciousness can be retained after one's body is destroyed? Has anyone found any? I've seen those ghost shows, most of them just use effects, shaking of the camera, and a few "freaking out" moments as 'proof'. Havn't seen any evidence of ghosts on a single one of 'em- just night vision in dark room after dark room after dark room. Not to say they don't exist, but there's is no piece of current human evidence or proper logic that says that they do.

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