Sir_Squab

Source: http://www.runescape.com/kbase/guid/dungeoneering_rewards#cleansing You sir, are incorrect. 1/8 = 12.5% Your argument is quoting a source that you explicitly state to be wrong on this matter, and call him wrong for something that mathematically works out to be true according to your own testing. (Either that or quoting some other source that likely quoted the KB in the first place and at any rate has the same information as the KB which you explicitly state to be false.)

Make the game less grindy? >_>

Rapier + CCS probably couldn't kill skeleton mages, but range armour tends to be weak to stab, so a maxed player with a primal rapier ought to be able to handle a t11 ranger. Dunno about the t11 mage. And you'd probably need to Fire Surge Thundy, altho I know hardly anything about him.

Imo, this is the most sensible thing you've said in this thread. Wish you said it 10 pages ago... That's actually a very good point. Why would China, of all places, allow their inmates internet access? To be fair to Blyaunte as well, as much as we like assuming that they forced them to endure sleep deprivation, etc, she does have a good point in saying that the article doesn't explicitly mention that. And the story is quite sketchy.

You're comparing apples to oranges when you compare things like BestBuy rewards to online game subscriptions. So that's your definition of no one getting the crappy end of the deal? I understand and accept that there's probably no better way for them to do this, save giving those who have been paying for x-years prior to this the increased Loyalty Credit rate to start with. I can't understand how they can compare 'rewarding loyalty' to how one can obtain the veterans cape and not expect some of their older, longterm paying members who didn't need 'auras' to make them pay as a way of saying, "Well you're wrong!" And then users on this thread are saying that people like us aren't getting dirt in their eye. Well, as you've just pointed out, there IS no better way for them to introduce loyalty points. Yeah, it kinda sucks for people who have paid for membership for the past 5 years straight, but otherwise you'd punish people who haven't paid it for 5 years straight because they had no incentive to. Only other way that's fair is not introducing these loyalty points. Actually, I like that idea XD

I have fun mining, but it's hard to do that when all the training spots are full of bots. Besides, it's not that bots make the game less fun, after all I can always train other skills that they don't affect like DG, but the fact they're not only being lazy but breaking the rules that bothers me. Seeing people blatantly flaunting their disregard for the rules has always rubbed me the wrong way. Really which training spots do you enjoy that are taken by bots? Here is the better question, which spots occupied by bots do they have an advantage over your 97 mining if you are competing? And why does someone's personal choice matter? Its a game, Jagex isn't a deity why do you care so much about someone breaking rules if your not out for a spot on the high scores? Any spot where you can one hit ore at a low level. I.e., clay (yes I mine my own clay for urns while I'm f2p), iron, and all lower ores. Futhermore, all woodcutting areas. Yes it's a game. A game most of us have logged hundreds if not thousands of hours on. This is a game that builds upon the work you've put into it; therefore, most players don't like to see their play time hindered by people who break the rules. The part about breaking the rules only bothers me is because it is Jagex's number one rule basically. It's been the center or the majority of major changes to the game and the rule they swore to uphold when they returned free trade. It's like if the federal government decided to not do anything on terrorism even though they've said they're so guns-[garden tool] about stopping it. I am well aware I just related a game to real life, but on a larger scale, that is exactly what Jagex would be doing. Find a better spot then for clay or iron? Ok you personally chose to legit 99 smithing by cannonball making, someone else chose to bot it and do other things why does it matter? If you enjoyed your time on rs why do you care so much about the person that chose to bot it instead? Devalues your achievement perhaps but it shouldnt devalue your fun [because fun is derived from the activity not the recognition and if that isnt the case I suggest therapy] And if the federal government decided not to pursue terrorism anymore that would be because they decided that its a waste of recources to have troops in foreign countries to find terrorist cells and a better way to fight it would be tighter border control/protect major targets. How would that be a bad thing? In essence that is what Jagex does now. But you are making the call that bots = terrorists with that analogy and it is just plain off. Bots dont hurt your gameplay [unless you love clay/iron mining or use pure ess as a money maker] while a terrorist may harm your life or property. The same cannot be said about bots. [besides the flimsy devalues my money maker/achievement arugments] At any rate to you personally, you CHOSE very mundaine and repetative ways of getting 99's [smithing with cannonballs, mining with gold pre lrc/pure ess] if you feel bad that you did it legit then you should have botted it. If you are mad that someone botting it takes away ingame recognition for your achievements seek therapy. If you are mad that bots devalue your money maker - find a better money maker. If you enjoy clay mining above all else in RS find an empty spot [yes im sure it exists]. If you enjoy mining, say you enjoy LRC, say you want 99. Why does it matter if you enjoyed getting 99, achieved it but someone else cheated. This is entertainment not a job, them cheating means nothing to me if I enjoy what I am doing. Edit: I know it seems rude of me to say that about method you personally used to train but its not you directly im saying it to, its anyone who feels they got cheated by someone cheating. If this was IRL id support you 100% however this is entertainment, if someone cheats in GTA (Grand Theft Auto) and I dont care, after all what difference does it make to me? The only difference comes when theres a pecking order established by a high score list, but I honestly think people who worship those lists need therapy. Edit: Edit: I know im rambling in this post bare with me [/hide] Every good spot for clay and iron are filled with at least three bots per ore cluster in F2P. I was just citing examples for activities levels don't affect when compared against bots. I can outclick bots the majority of time so it isn't a hassle for me, necessarily. I did enjoy my time Smithing to 99. Why do I care about the person botting? They're cheating. The principle is as simple as that. Bots don't affect me until they begin to hinder my game play, and since everyone can use a furnace, they did not hinder my smelting. It never devalued my fun, but it does for sure devalue the achievement if one can not play a single hour and achieve that same skill as I have. As for recognition, explain the entire basis of skill capes. Humans by nature enjoy being recognized for their achievements whether they are real or something online. Why would there be Valedictorian during high school graduations if recognition is not important. I'm not saying it's a driving factor behind people getting 99s, but it's an after product that people enjoy to see/hear. Take strength and cooking for example. Most people do not even buy the capes because they are so popular and therefore devalued. Obviously, recognition is important to players. If the federal government stopped an active approach towards terrorism they wouldn't stop entirely. You said it yourself, they would do something and not just totally stop. Totally stopping is basically what Jagex has done. If Jagex took an approach where they make it harder for bots to function effectively it would be different. They have done nothing besides blow smoke up our posterior ends. Again, you said that RuneScape is for entertainment. If I decide that I loathe frost dragons and want to fish sharks since I enjoy fishing and they were decent money, then that's my choice and it's based on the fun factor. The bots have obviously harmed shark prices and therefore they have devalued something I enjoy and made it near stupid to fish for money. In essence, they ruined that aspect of fun since it's so impractical to perform that task anymore. Therefore, they did affect my game play and hinder my experience in RuneScape. I myself stated that I am not comparing bots to terrorists, but am comparing the actions of Jagex to something on a much larger scale, the federal government. I do not feel bad about the way I achieved 99s. I did them because I LOVED that certain skill and the way of training it that I choose. Personally, smelting three minute batches that allowed me to forum browse and such, is the way I wanted to play RuneScape at that time. I'm not mad about people botting, as Racheya said in her article, "I don't care." It's the fact that they are cheating that bothers me only slightly. It's as simple as that; someone is allowed to cheat blatantly and get away with it. As I said before, empty spots are extremely tough to come by. It doesn't matter to me at least. As I said before, it's the blatant cheating. It's not rude, it's support to your argument and I'm fine with that. The only way bots directly affect you is if they ruin a way you used to play (mentioned above) or hinder your from performing a duty effectively. There are a lot of people who value they place on the high scores. To them, it is a competition and maybe this is the one thing they're good at. Is it wrong for them to have a sense of achievement over a game? Some may say yes, but others would disagree. It's all a matter of opinion and circumstance. My main point is however, it's cheating plain and simple. I'm not criticizing anyone besides Jagex themselves. If you're not going to enforce a rule then simply remove it and do not lie to people by saying you're proactively against it. Personally, bots don't bother me anymore. When I was low leveled I believed I could make a difference by sending it hundreds of names of suspected bots into Jagex. I don't think so anymore. They're something I ,in essence, grew up with and with their return, I'm used to them. Botting isn't a felony or near a major crime; however, when Jagex basis major decisions about botting, they emphasize its importance in RuneScape itself. Therefore, they have established the severity of the offence in people's minds. I had to retype this entire post as I hit add reply earlier and my internet died XD. I hope it's as good as the original. I ask you why the principle of someone cheating matters to you that much? I like to believe im live and let live about a lot of things so its just foreign to me to care about someone else breaking the rules in a way that doesnt harm anyone. A real life example of this would be a pot smoker or someone that gets out of paying traffic tickets somehow. They dont hurt anyone by their actions so I tend to be rather empathetic with them. That is the same attitude I have towards someone who says "Yeah I botted this skill and that skill cause they suck" The reason I say that ingame recognition shouldn't be sought after [and you should seek therapy if it is something you strive for] is that it is a MAJOR factor in developing an unhealthy obsession for the content, it creates the allusion of achieving something when in reality it isn't real. A lot of the top players on the 200m in all skills thread that quit have said similar things. Sure recognition is fun, and pretty nice but it is harmful in my opinion to play for dangerous amounts of times for that high, when spending that amount of time on real challenges will create real recognition as well as real accomplishments. But for your particular runescape accomplishments, I think what you did was great and quite a feat at the time you did it and if you had fun doing it more power to you. :lol: On the Jagex actions towards bots I agree they should be more responsive and actually do something. And I agree with you about bots that directly interfere with your fun are bad. Just something I dont understand still is the ones that dont interfere with your fun such as smith bots or alch bots, why does it matter if the player is cheating? [/hide] It just boils down to myself having pride in certain skills that I have accomplished. There are plenty of people that bot 99 cooking, and do I care? Not particularly. It ruins the fun you could have had and makes the accomplishment (if there is one) meaningless, but that's their choice. People who bot a skill like Runecrafting however kind of annoy me. It's a tedious skill that the majortiy of people who possess the skillcape have pride in. Also, it used to be a major money-maker for skillers that is basically ruined now.The fact that I can do nothing about it however makes it to the point where it's dumb to care if someone is botting anymore. I don't see the point in botting 99's when you can easily play on a private server if abilities is all your after. If you think about it, people who bot are after recognition for no input sometimes. The fact that someone can offer zero input and achieve exactly what the person who spent 100 hundred hours doing whatever annoys me as well. It's as if someone got through the entirity of high school by cheating off someone else and graduated. I understand this happens, but on a much smaller scale. In fine, it takes away from the achievement, someone can achieve something with no input, and the majority of bots now directly harm players (as in they ruin training spots, ruin old money makers, and crowd areas). Note that bots did not affect any of my skills so this isn't me being madbro about this :P. Fair enough on the first paragraph. Perhaps they are unfairly tring to enlarge their e-peen without actually exercising it themselves, so what it doesnt matter. A person that cheated their way to max lvl in runescape what did they gain or lose by doing so? They gained in-game recogntion (arguably undeserved), I cant think of much other gains, perhaps entertainment at max combat without working to get it? What did they lose by botting? Arguably nothing either, potentially their account and/or money to buy the bot but that isnt really too bad considering buy the bot once have it for life and bot a new account if main gets banned. In relation to high school cheater its a poor example because you gain undeserved recognition for cheating, however you are an illiterate dumb ass despite the fact that you graduate. That is why I say cheating IRL is bad and cheating in rs isnt. [/hide]They have an unfair advantage against anyone who actually spent the time to train. They did so without any struggles and in essences didn't earn what they have. It's about honor and pride basically. One who bots doesn't deserve the levels they earned. Compared to the players who sacrificed their time to achieve their goal and be able to do something new, they don't deserve it. If the players who bot only wanted the levels, why don't they just play on private servers? They obviously want the recognition and the ability to play with legitemate players. However, when they cheat, break a contract they agreed too, and break one of the biggest rules in the game, they don't even deserve that right. It's about having honor in everything you do. It my be a game, but I don't lose my morals when I click log on. Protip: honour and pride are an entirely different thing then morals all together. Example:Person A takes pride in working on his car himself, buying parts, fixing it up, making it awesome himself. Person B is really rich and buys a Lamborghini then pays another 500 grand to pimp it up. Now, given this information, what can you tell me about their morals? Oh lord, not this again. Bots are against the rules, some people might be sympathetic, but that doesn't excuse the fact they're cheating. why does cheating in a video game matter? Unless you have a specific instance of bots ruining your fun [via hogging your training spots for example] what does it matter if a person chooses to cheat? Well aside from the tangible problems like hogging training spots, devaluing raw items and such, it's not in the spirit of the game. Why should we be expected to slog out all the grinding is so many lazy asses cheat like that? THAT. RIGHT THERE. That's what the real bot problem boils down to. In large part, bots come because players don't want to do the grind but want the reward for it. In life, when someone wants something but doesn't want to put in the effort, they either find an easier way around or give up. Bots are the easier way around. In my opinion, as much as I dislike bots, what bots truly are is a reflection of how much of a grindfest certain elements of this surprisingly addicting game are. Now, I'll be the first to jump on the "ban the bots" bandwagon, but you will not find me blaming people for botting.

[/hide] THANK YOU GOD! *Wipes sweat off brow* Thought we almost lost RuneScape there... Anywho, i just hope that i get a massive amount of points considering that i've been a constant member for say... Over four years now? By the time you posted this, we've already established that it isn't a micro-transaction payment for something and that previous membership credits don't count. Altho, to the OP or whoever's in charge of editing the first post, might I suggest you take the "more info" out of hide tags? Maybe put it in a quote tag "more info" thingy?

Their ploy just might be working. I might renew membership when it comes out depending on what I see >_<

I see nothing wrong with the situation. Kinda sounds like the rapist deserved it, but we can't have people willy-nilly lighting people on fire due to vengeance, so the mother needs to be punished. If vengeance is legal, suddenly we have a legal system where thousands die due to vengeance. What if the rapists mother burns down the mother in this story as vengeance for killing her son? Then the raped daughter kills the other mother as vengeance? Etc. Furthermore, if you're going for the "eye for an eye" thing, then the raped girl needs to somehow rape the rapist to truly follow that.

Because death is 100x more serious then a RuneScape account. I'd also like to find the number of people who play RS who have actual will's, the number of people who play RS who actually have someone they could pass their account to, and the number of people who fall into both categories. That will not be a particularly large number. Plus, the issue is already settled. Jagex doesn't allow you to put your acc in your will. But, if you do put it in your will, how will they find out? (Unless the local media makes a news story outta it or something.) Also, I fail to see the importance of passing your RS account to someone else when you die.

In that case, do the 500th with Kuradel and do the 510th one with shilo. Also, don't burthrope anything. Burthrope doesn't give you any points, considering he's the master you go to when you want to cancel tasks (w/o using points.) You gotta at least use mazchna (the canifis dude) in order to get slayer points.

Well, every 50 tasks gives more then the 10 task bonus. As 500 is a multiple of 50, you would get more then the standard "10 task" bonus. However, if the game was coded correctly, you should still complete the tas... [bleep] it, the diary when you complete the slayer task. (Why did they ever change it anyways.)

0 you cant use ice barrage until 94 but u can use burst use a skill calculator on front page of tif Uh, he said he had 81 summoning, not mage. If you check his highscores, he has 99 magic and 81 summoning. OT: I have no idea.

I don't think this needs to be implemented; furthermore, I think it's one of those things that Jagex can't implement without a time machine. Plus, if you have a DIY account, your own pride in your account should be enough; you shouldn't need some sort of coded recognition system just say say "hey, I'm soo cool, I got all this stuff myself"

inb4 babies

Uh, you might need to be on the same world.

This pretty much sums up all my thoughts on the thread.

Ha.! Type 2 obviously. I actually graduated highschool at about 200 pounds, a bit overweight, then I randomly got type 1 diabetes like, idk, a year later (no clue exactly when) and was pretty much an anorexic 140 when I got diagnosed with it. Back at 160 now. The way I see it, [bleep] the weight on the scales. Some guys, say Albel's height (no idea how tall he is) are 225 pounds of pure muscle. I'd like to lose a bit of the excess fat I have and turn it into muscle, but that doesn't mean I have a problem with the number I'm at. Well, I care about my weight, but imo screw the scales and just look at your body after like you shower or something and ask yourself if you're ok with it or want to change it.

I thought that's why Jimi likes Enaid.

Hair's disgusting. Shaving sucks. ... I was every square inch of my body. ... I HAS NO HAIR!@

From what I've heard, handcannon explodes too often unless you have 99 firemaking tho. My first and only attempt with a handcannon at TDs ended with both my handcannon and the spare exploding in 15 minutes, at somewhere between the 65-70 firemaking range. Pretty sure it was about 70. Seriously, they should make something that you can smith to handcannons to make them not explode a Nex or Arma GW drop. Or something. Maybe you could use the dragon chunks that TDs drop lol - it'd be far more useful then d plates :rolleyes: @ Above posts: Not sure about that tbh. But unless you have 99 firemaking it's probably a pointless question anyways.

I can't think of any reason why you should wait until you have enough charms for 88... also, I rather like the titans, level 79.

Where do you really need the +3 mage attack or whatever the master wand adds? +3 mage attack is not going to be more useful then the 5% extra damage* sol adds or the 10% extra damage* the chaotic staff adds. The only thing the master wand has going for it imo is that mage pures can use it. *In the magic damage column. Also, what's the amulet of ranging like compared to fury again? Overall your list was pretty damn good but a few areas not 100% accurate. When you're PKing, magic attack can often matter more. For instance, while TBing / Entangling, I'd take an extra .5% accuracy over an additional 10% damage (on a wonderful max hit of 30) any day. It sort of applies to Ancients too - you're usually trying to force them to change to mage pray and/or freeze them. You'll lose a lot more kills because you didn't have 20 more seconds to deal damage than you will because the 3-4 casts you used didn't do 10% more damage. Well, the 3a mage amulet actually has more magic attack then arc stream. @ Above poster: I think you're about to start a flame-fest where people point out that you don't even usually need that healing in the first place on slayer, that prayer potions are really cheap, SGS offers really negligible prayer restore, and that a dragon claw spec with soul split could probably average to 320 worth of healing a spec. Oh yeah, soul split is another reason why the SGS healing isn't needed. Not to mention most tasks can be done with just a unicorn for healing anyways...

Isn't there a maximum amount of points you can get from SC anyways or something? After a certain amount of points, it doesn't matter as much (I think.)

^^^^ This Also, isn't there a bible verse warning against, you know, all these fake Jesus people? Also, how the eff do you say Jesus as like a plural word...