Rule 2 Change: Should Luring be alloud?

[JIMMIE]

I personally see nothing wrong with luring, if you are stupid enough to fall for it (waits for the long list of insulted people who have fallen for lures) then you deserve it. What you give is what you get.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of the lures are still in action, this rule change only got rid of like 5% of the lures.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Jimmie

[Peronix]

 

And people deserve to get carjacked if they drive into bad neighborhoods, so this means carjackers are doing nothing wrong. :wall:

 

 

 

Hell yeah. If you drive into a ghetto and knowingly park your car which is worth stealing don't expect it to be there the next morning. Of course there is a difference in morality between stealing Pixels and stealing a car.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We can argue about whose fault it is all day, but in the end the carjacker, if he is caught, will be the one who is punished. Just the same, you can argue all day about how stupid luring victims are, but in the end, if you keep luring, you will be banned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You lurers, just like the carjackers, are an unpleasant element to this game; one that we would glady do without. While I agree that luring victims are somewhat dimwitted; it's part of the government's job (or in this case, the administrators of this game) to do their best to weed out all of the unpleasent elements in their territory to provide protection for the least among them. Your logic says that we should all just sit back and let the 'weak' fall prey to these unpleasant elements, because they 'deserve' it... but that just sounds like anarchy.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

Guys, let's be honest, I think we all knew for awhile this was coming. When a player is saying "Hey, come to Dwarf Mountain, I'm selling x item for x underpriced", they're LYING and DECEIVING, exactly the description of a scam. And like any other scam on Runescape, the victim does have to be pretty stupid to actually fall for it, but that is beyond the point. Just because it takes a stupid person to fall for a money-switch scam doesn't mean it's not a scam.

I'm glad you posted r2-pleasent, I really am I have always thought you have intelligent posts. But the point is as you may know, it IS possible to lure WITHOUT lieing as I said earlier.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can also understand that lurers have tricked themselves into believing what they are doing is legitimate, because up until recently, there was no official outlawing of the practice. To say that the Wilderness warning makes anybody fair game is also ridiculous. That's the same as saying the second trade screen makes all trade scams fair game. The fact is, lurers are hoping players don't realize they're in the Wild, and most of them will admit that.

I DO think that all trade scams are fair game because of the second screen, and some Duel Arena scams because of the second screen(some because armour/weapons/jewelry on/off doesn't show on second screen). It is clearly stated in English in Light Text upon a dark surface. There is no way you can miss it if your smart enought to know not to quickly accept something like that. I have lost 2M Stakes at Duel Arena because I didn't check the Second Screen. I don't call them a scammer, they aren't. It was my fault. If I ever am lured I won't think they are scammers because it was MY fault.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The bottom line is, however, that Luring, which began as a creative tactic, is now so widespread and practiced that it has saturated the marketplace. People these days are just followers, and the margins of profit as far as executing the scam are much lower now anyways, since 95% of players know what Luring is now. It's time to let this fad go, and move on with your lives.

Actually I intend on letting it die down for a couple months so people are no longer worried about it then start back up. Starting the luring phase all over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just wanted to add another point. The lure of which you drop cash in the wild and they run in to pick it up. Completly Legit. I can do it without lieing once. It's simple. And legal. This won't stop luring.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

This has probably been posted before, but..

 

 

 

The 'Warning! Wilderness ahead!' sign only pops up the first time you go into the wilderness until you log off. Most places where people lure are places some people don't know are in the wild. I'm smart enough to know when something's a lure, but some people aren't smart enough to realise that. It's just mean taking advantage of somebody's lack of intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMHO.

 

 

 

The Wilderness Sign. It only pops up once while logged on, meaning if it doesn't you have already seen the warnings and you accept them.

[Soma2035]

 

This has probably been posted before, but..

 

 

 

The 'Warning! Wilderness ahead!' sign only pops up the first time you go into the wilderness until you log off. Most places where people lure are places some people don't know are in the wild. I'm smart enough to know when something's a lure, but some people aren't smart enough to realise that. It's just mean taking advantage of somebody's lack of intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMHO.

 

 

 

The Wilderness Sign. It only pops up once while logged on, meaning if it doesn't you have already seen the warnings and you accept them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Umm no it doesn't. It pops up while you're buying a chisel from the general store when the shopkeep is at the north end of the shop. It shows up when you have no intention of entering the wilderness, and when you accidentally enter wilderness it doesn't stop you. It's NOWHERE near sufficient protection to players who are unexperienced with the wilderness. Even the second trade window shows up EVERY time you trade...

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

This has probably been posted before, but..

 

 

 

The 'Warning! Wilderness ahead!' sign only pops up the first time you go into the wilderness until you log off. Most places where people lure are places some people don't know are in the wild. I'm smart enough to know when something's a lure, but some people aren't smart enough to realise that. It's just mean taking advantage of somebody's lack of intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMHO.

 

 

 

The Wilderness Sign. It only pops up once while logged on, meaning if it doesn't you have already seen the warnings and you accept them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Umm no it doesn't. It pops up while you're buying a chisel from the general store when the shopkeep is at the north end of the shop. It shows up when you have no intention of entering the wilderness, and when you accidentally enter wilderness it doesn't stop you. It's NOWHERE near sufficient protection to players who are unexperienced with the wilderness. Even the second trade window shows up EVERY time you trade...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't you think if a notice popped up on an inexperience player's screen he'd read it? If it pops up that automatically makes you accept the dangers of the wilderness whether you have intentions of going in, or not. If you don't read it and your just buying a chisel then you either don't care or you already know it meaning you accept the dangers of the wilderness.

[Soma2035]

 

 

 

This has probably been posted before, but..

 

 

 

The 'Warning! Wilderness ahead!' sign only pops up the first time you go into the wilderness until you log off. Most places where people lure are places some people don't know are in the wild. I'm smart enough to know when something's a lure, but some people aren't smart enough to realise that. It's just mean taking advantage of somebody's lack of intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMHO.

 

 

 

The Wilderness Sign. It only pops up once while logged on, meaning if it doesn't you have already seen the warnings and you accept them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Umm no it doesn't. It pops up while you're buying a chisel from the general store when the shopkeep is at the north end of the shop. It shows up when you have no intention of entering the wilderness, and when you accidentally enter wilderness it doesn't stop you. It's NOWHERE near sufficient protection to players who are unexperienced with the wilderness. Even the second trade window shows up EVERY time you trade...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't you think if a notice popped up on an inexperience player's screen he'd read it? If it pops up that automatically makes you accept the dangers of the wilderness whether you have intentions of going in, or not. If you don't read it and your just buying a chisel then you either don't care or you already know it meaning you accept the dangers of the wilderness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, it means you don't care because you're not intending to enter the wilderness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Face it. The wilderness popup isn't even close to the second trade window, and scammers are STILL banned, HAVE been banned, and ALWAYS WILL BE banned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can think whatever you want, but Jagex would rather this game have a community friendlier to new players, and so would anyone with basic ethics. This issue has been debated, and Jagex has decided in favor of no luring. Period.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

No, it means you don't care because you're not intending to enter the wilderness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Face it. The wilderness popup isn't even close to the second trade window, and scammers are STILL banned, HAVE been banned, and ALWAYS WILL BE banned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can think whatever you want, but Jagex would rather this game have a community friendlier to new players, and so would anyone with basic ethics. This issue has been debated, and Jagex has decided in favor of no luring. Period.

Meaning you already know the risks of the wilderness because you know what the wilderness is. It is equal to or more of a warning then the second screen. If JAGeX wanted a good community they should have thought advertising it on known children gaming sites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Am going for now so won't see your next post.

[Latinoking]

First of all it's "allow" <-vocab much?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And no it shouldn't be!

[lavaownz]

Do I lure: no

 

 

 

What side am I on? I'm indefferent either way, but mostly im pro lurer

 

 

 

what I think the two major sides are

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pro luerer (pl)- anyone stupid enough to go into the wilderness with valuables deserves to get pked

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anti luerer (al)- its a scam and therfore should be illegal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

here are my made up conversation

 

 

 

sitiuation-person ost a party hat due to wilderness scam

 

 

 

pl-woot a party hat

 

 

 

al-I don't think you deserve that

 

 

 

pl-and why not?

 

 

 

al-lurering is a scam no matter which way you through it

 

 

 

pl-if somone is stupid to fall into the wilderness, they deserve it

 

 

 

al-How would you fell if you got luered?

 

 

 

pl-pretty -bad word- stupid

 

 

 

al- :shame: watch your languge, but....

 

 

 

pl-but what? if i'm a 6 year old I shoudn't even be playing this game

 

 

 

al-lurering is just a way for noobs to make money

 

 

 

pl-so I can make 1m+ is 5 minutes and its (or was) legal, wouldn't you

 

 

 

pl-at most people can make like 2m an hour merchanting

 

 

 

al-you could always stake

 

 

 

pl-yet I risk my things when I have a low chance to win

 

 

 

al-and thats exactly what you risk in the wilderness

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

random conerstion. don't flame about it.

[demonshade13]

tbh, luring should be legal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i have been lured 3.3 before when whips were that high

 

 

 

no i havent lured, ever

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but still, jagex is trying to make the game idiot proof

 

 

 

if you go near the wildy, a house dungeon, or lumby caves with a phat or 10m, or w/e, you deserve to lose it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

of course the most common lure, the one where you see the 1m in the wildy, and get piled by people you cant see until you grab the gold, they have tele grab for that =]

[aznmidget448]

I am in favor in this new change. Innocent people lose their items because of annoying scammers who try and get you to bring your money and items into wildy? That's just wrong. I personally think it's a very good thing luring is now banned...

[Chocobodude0]

=D> =D> =D>

 

 

 

I congatulate Jagex for this choice. Wether the victim is an idiot or not, LURING IS SCAMMING. It's to trick someone for your own personal gain. THAT'S SCAMMING.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex's choice FTW.

[paulyts50]

Sorry I didn't reply earlier...I was one of those honest people who were busy calling and emailing the press, writing a blog, replying to any game reviews, replying to any articles where luring in runescape might be mentioned, etc....In other words working hard to ensure Jagex finally found their conscience on this issue. Some of this was from the first page as rose copied it from another thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

paulyts50 wrote:

 

 

 

You are what I always called a non-player. You cannot play the game the way it was meant to be, so you lie, cheat and steal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lakitsym_Rose wrote:

 

 

 

I don't? I wasn't supposed to train my skills? I wasn't supposed to try to get rich? I wasn't supposed to have a fun time? I don't cheat, I take small things, and turn them into bigger things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

paulyts50 replies now:

 

 

 

Lurers are scamming scum and you are proud of your so called "skills"? You cheat people out of their stuff, and you are lying and deceiving You promised a drop party but made sure they go into the inn, because it will bring up the sign, then someone drops items in level one and they cannot tell it is the wildy because the sign no longer pops up. Therefore you have deceived for the purpose of taking another player's hard earned items. Lure=fun for you? I pity all of you who say that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

paulyts50 wrote:

 

 

 

You are not smart, you are just a lying, cheating brat in a party hat. If you truly were smart you would realize that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ILakitsym_Rose wrote:

 

 

 

'm not smart? Because I have the correct timing to Special someone when I PK? Because I know how to get first hit in every stake? Because I probably have a higher total at 66 Combat then you do? Because I know how to PLAY THE GAME?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

paulyts50 replies now:

 

 

 

Smart people can usually spell? Please look at your title for this thread lol. You probably think that is a cheap shot but you were implying that you were "smart" for some odd reason, and smarter then I am...Because you are a scammer, you think you are smarter then I? Interesting logic. You asked...here are my scores. Total 1,976 121,877,103 rs name pauly50, status...quit and gave away all my items. Reason: the luring sticky was the last straw for me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lakitsym_Rose wrote:

 

 

 

Yes. I lie. I deceive players for their items. I don't scam, nor would I ever, because that IS cheating. But luring in the wild is NOT cheating because you are given a CLEAR warning you CAN AND MOST LIKELY WILL DIE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

paulyts50 replies now:

 

 

 

Wow, that was exactly the problem we were trying to convey to Jagex. You get a child who does not yet understand right from wrong (btw minors in real are under 16 or 17 in some states and Canada, 18 in Europe for the most part and that statement gets you jail time but not hard time) and feed them incorrect information (the sticky contravening rule 2 in this instance) and you get children who make their own rules and parrot an authority figure (in this case Jagex and their poor judgement). When you lie and you deceive to get their items =you cheat, you scam.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lakitsym_Rose wrote:

 

 

 

I'm a cheating brat. Already argued why I am not cheating, and I'm anything but spoiled so I'm not a brat. I'm just smarter then you are.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

paulyts50 replies now:

 

 

 

I am a female, and a mother. I happen to be quite intelligent. I also happen to have enjoyed the game quite a bit...in the past anywayÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæwhen players cared about each other and helped each other and I didn't have to have someone crying on my shoulder every 5 minutes that they were hacked, scammed or lured.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lakitsym_Rose wrote:

 

 

 

I ADMITTED THAT I MADE A MISTAKE AND MIS-READ YOUR QUESTION. I AM OFTEN WRONG, BUT IN THIS CASE I DON'T BELIEVE I AM. I BELIEVE WILD LURING SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. I ALSO SAID I MOST LIKELY WILL NOT LURE ANYMORE, SINCE I HAVE MADE MUCH MORE FROM STAKING, AND A DECENT AMOUNT FROM PKING. I ONLY LURED FOR THE THRILL OF BEING ABLE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE LURED WAS THINKING.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

paulyts50 replies now:

 

 

 

Be careful about getting thrills from other people's anguish. That statement gave me chills and brought tears to my eyes...not that you seem to care...obviously...about people and their feelings. It is time players realize you are dealing with real people in the game! not npcs! I sincerely hope you are a better person in real.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

 

 

 

 

 

You are what I always called a non-player. You cannot play the game the way it was meant to be, so you lie, cheat and steal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't? I wasn't supposed to train my skills? I wasn't supposed to try to get rich? I wasn't supposed to have a fun time? I don't cheat, I take small things, and turn them into bigger things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lurers are scamming scum and you are proud of your so called "skills"? You cheat people out of their stuff, and you are lying and deceiving You promised a drop party but made sure they go into the inn, because it will bring up the sign, then someone drops items in level one and they cannot tell it is the wildy because the sign no longer pops up. Therefore you have deceived for the purpose of taking another player's hard earned items. Lure=fun for you? I pity all of you who say that.

They only go in once. If they went in twice then they would have already seen the killer. I never promised anything. And last, I do, indeed, drop items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are not smart, you are just a lying, cheating brat in a party hat. If you truly were smart you would realize that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'm not smart? Because I have the correct timing to Special someone when I PK? Because I know how to get first hit in every stake? Because I probably have a higher total at 66 Combat then you do? Because I know how to PLAY THE GAME?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smart people can usually spell? Please look at your title for this thread lol. You probably think that is a cheap shot but you were implying that you were "smart" for some odd reason, and smarter then I am...Because you are a scammer, you think you are smarter then I? Interesting logic. You asked...here are my scores. Total 1,976 121,877,103 rs name pauly50, status...quit and gave away all my items. Reason: the luring sticky was the last straw for me.

I'm sorry. I spelt one word wrong. I never said I was smart. Although I do not think I'm stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes. I lie. I deceive players for their items. I don't scam, nor would I ever, because that IS cheating. But luring in the wild is NOT cheating because you are given a CLEAR warning you CAN AND MOST LIKELY WILL DIE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, that was exactly the problem we were trying to convey to Jagex. You get a child who does not yet understand right from wrong (btw minors in real are under 16 or 17 in some states and Canada, 18 in Europe for the most part and that statement gets you jail time but not hard time) and feed them incorrect information (the sticky contravening rule 2 in this instance) and you get children who make their own rules and parrot an authority figure (in this case Jagex and their poor judgement). When you lie and you deceive to get their items =you cheat, you scam.

As said, you can lure without lieing. And if your child doesn't know right from wrong by 13 your a failure as a parent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm a cheating brat. Already argued why I am not cheating, and I'm anything but spoiled so I'm not a brat. I'm just smarter then you are.

 

 

 

I am a female, and a mother. I happen to be quite intelligent. I also happen to have enjoyed the game quite a bit...in the past anywayÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæwhen players cared about each other and helped each other and I didn't have to have someone crying on my shoulder every 5 minutes that they were hacked, scammed or lured.

I have been playing longer then you have. Believe me. I have seen the community at it's best. The community is crap now and with 9 Million+ Players, there is nothing anyone can do to change it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ADMITTED THAT I MADE A MISTAKE AND MIS-READ YOUR QUESTION. I AM OFTEN WRONG, BUT IN THIS CASE I DON'T BELIEVE I AM. I BELIEVE WILD LURING SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. I ALSO SAID I MOST LIKELY WILL NOT LURE ANYMORE, SINCE I HAVE MADE MUCH MORE FROM STAKING, AND A DECENT AMOUNT FROM PKING. I ONLY LURED FOR THE THRILL OF BEING ABLE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE LURED WAS THINKING.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Be careful about getting thrills from other people's anguish. That statement gave me chills and brought tears to my eyes...not that you seem to care...obviously...about people and their feelings. It is time players realize you are dealing with real people in the game! not npcs! I sincerely hope you are a better person in real.

I strongly doubt in reality it brought chills and tears. I only care about a few select people's feelings although I am not a complete [wagon] to those in need. I AM a cruel person. I think worse about stupid people in real life then I do in RuneScape. I never said I got thrills from their Anguish. I got thrills from knowing exactly what to say. From knowing exactly what they were thinking without having to see their body language or know them. That is not anguish.

[steve_10000]

There are clear warnings about the wilderness. Luring should be allowed. If people are willing to take item X into the wilderness, even for a trade, then they are willing to lose it. Anyway, they aren't necessarily lying to another player. Someones buying ashes for a whip, and his mate hides in the bushes. IF the mate gets there first, then the trade can not occur. This shouldnt be banned.

[Autist]

In my opinion, it's a pointless rule. Not that I am a lurer... I am not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, the jojo thing. Imagine:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I pm a partyhat seller, saying I buy it, meet at lumberyard.

 

 

 

We stand on the edge of wilderness, I am just about to trade him, but the coins someone had dropped INTO the wilderness, appear. The partyhat seller quickly runs to pick up the coins... And suddenly, out of nowhere, 3 people jump out and kill the partyhat seller.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, where is the moment when i scammed anyone? Did I deceive anyone?

 

 

 

I called someone to trade with me, he ran to wilderness and got killed...

 

 

 

Not my fault, now, is it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact is, jagex can't actually prove anything on this kind of lure, and if they still ban you for that, with no actual proofs, it would be so inhuman and wrong. Unless they have a machine which reads the mind of the partyhat buyer, they can't prove anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe immoral indeed, but NOT something you could ban someone for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, if people really are so stupid that they will run to wild, with their most valuable items on, with no food, their stupidity is overwhelming. They should loose their items for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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But yeah, calling someone to wilderness, saying he or she(lurer) is buying something, but is actually not, but killing the seller and gaining their stuff, should be illegal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But the way that jo jo and his team lure, it's not illegal, actually.

[Pionex40]

Scammers need to move on to easier targets, I suggest Kindergartners and thier milk money.

[Autist]

Scammers need to move on to easier targets, I suggest Kindergartners and thier milk money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With that saying you clearly state that the ones who get lured, are not much more brighter than under 7 years olds. Only a little.

[reaper88888]

Yes, they are stupid, yes, it is more fun to lure than it is to train, but that doesn't make it right. Using the same excuses that lurers use, you could simply say that robbing a bank was legal because it was quicker and more fun than wasting your life away in a cubicle, and since the bank's owners were too stupid to get a better security system, they "deserved" to get robbed, and not only was it not BAD, but it was actually GOOD, because they needed to be taught a lesson. Rules and laws aren't there to be broken, they're there to protect the morons of society from people who would take advantage of them. And just because luring is over pixels, and robbery is over real cash, that doesn't mean that the ethics don't apply to both. Luring is not right, and will never be right, no matter how much you try to justify it by blaming the victim, or blaming the system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Hefts antifire shield*

[Myweponsg00d]

I have never lured and I never plan on it. While I oppose luring, I do not hate anyone who choses to do it. If anyone manages to actually have sucess at luring, I say kudos to them. However, it is breaking the rules and it should be a bannable offense. It is a shady way to play the game and luring is definitely a type of scamming. It is also a part of the game that people need to learn to deal with, because it will always be around.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as DK "luring" is concerned, it should never be against the rules. The only reason luring (wildy) is rule breaking is because you deliberately make an attempt to mislead a person. For DK luring, all you are doing is attracting a monster to a particular side of the area. Players are not mislead at all.