Ok, fletching would work and would be fairly useful, but I still don't see the problem with farming - only needs to be low-level seeds which could be bought from dray seed stalls, and npc seed drops wouldn't be hard to work in. I can't see slayer working, would have to be limited to f2p monsters and slayer masters need to be created. Hunter is never going to happen either, everything is is p2p so too big a project. And seriously, is the opening up of 1/5th of a member skill really going to make you feel members isn't worth it? Also, as much as you may not like it, there are a lot of underage players who truly can't afford members, and people are less likely to be persuaded to buy membership if f2p isn't worth their time. If an f2p player gets into this new skill, trains it up to the max level that f2p allows and then is told the rest is members-only, they're more than likely to go for p2p. Simple logic.

 

 

 

Quit preaching farming! If you don't like the skill fine! But we don't need to give away our money that WE pay everymonth so people that don't can have one of the greatest skills!

 

I don't think f2p should get anything.. AT ALL, nothing. If you give them new skills, they won't feel the need to get members or convince parents or whatever the issue may be. Therefore Jaggie loses money and we're done? Okay nuff said. F2P shouldn't get scratch. (bring the rant war f2p'ers i'm ready :P )

 

 

 

 

 

Not Agility is a bad choice due to the courses are in member part of the world.

 

 

 

Pay 5 bucks seriously not that hard

 

 

 

 

 

Sure.. :roll:

 

There are people out there who can't get members due to studies.. and other reasons similar. Those members who think we don't deserve updates should think about it.

 

I am not saying we are poor

 

 

 

Honestly dude, You don't get anything for free in this world! (albeit air of course, for now :P ) You don't deserve ANYTHING because you don't pay for ANYTHING.

They got what?

 

Attack, defence, strength, prayer, hitpoints, ranged, magic, woodcutting, firemaking, cooking, fishing, runescrafting, mining, smithing and crafting.

 

They have 15 level 99's to occupy themselves to, is that not enough?

wait for it..... NO

 

 

 

I work hard for my money, if you can't get it, its not my obligation to subsidise you.

Sure.. :roll:

 

There are people out there who can't get members due to studies.. and other reasons similar. Those members who think we don't deserve updates should think about it.

 

I am not saying we are poor

 

 

 

How is it that you can't dedicate enough time to warrant paying for members, but you're more than willing to spend time with things that are given free? If you're not poor, what is it about paying $5 a month that's such an issue? Sure you may not be able to utilize it to its full benefit, but isn't the increase in pleasure during playing time worth the scant cost?

 

 

 

The whole thing about money vs time being such a hangup for people just doesn't fly with me. I'm a college student with little time and less money. I'm taking 15 credit hours, working 25 hours a week, trying to plan a wedding, and bringing in barely enough for expenses. Still, to me the $5 that I spend each month seems worth it. So I eat a few less hamburgers to pay for something I only get to play a couple times a week; big deal. That $5 makes one of my favorite hobbies more enjoyable, so it just doesn't matter that I'm not taking full advantage of it.

Ok, fletching would work and would be fairly useful, but I still don't see the problem with farming - only needs to be low-level seeds which could be bought from dray seed stalls, and npc seed drops wouldn't be hard to work in. I can't see slayer working, would have to be limited to f2p monsters and slayer masters need to be created. Hunter is never going to happen either, everything is is p2p so too big a project. And seriously, is the opening up of 1/5th of a member skill really going to make you feel members isn't worth it? Also, as much as you may not like it, there are a lot of underage players who truly can't afford members, and people are less likely to be persuaded to buy membership if f2p isn't worth their time. If an f2p player gets into this new skill, trains it up to the max level that f2p allows and then is told the rest is members-only, they're more than likely to go for p2p. Simple logic.

 

 

 

Quit preaching farming! If you don't like the skill fine! But we don't need to give away our money that WE pay everymonth so people that don't can have one of the greatest skills!

 

I don't think f2p should get anything.. AT ALL, nothing. If you give them new skills, they won't feel the need to get members or convince parents or whatever the issue may be. Therefore Jaggie loses money and we're done? Okay nuff said. F2P shouldn't get scratch. (bring the rant war f2p'ers i'm ready :P )

 

 

 

 

 

Alright it's here.

 

 

 

If one skill is opened up will it really pull away that many people from getting members? There would still be several skill for members only and lets not forget all the minigames, items, areas, quests, etc. That members would still be able to do. It would keep f2p people happy for a little while.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats how I could feel, but HERE IS HOW I REALLY FEEL (Caps were necessary so people would read my whole post before passing judgement)

 

 

 

First someone would realize that you don't have the whole skill because it requires a members object or something only in a members area. Then they'd complain about it and soon everyone would be complaining. Just like rants about needing more stuff for cooking, fishing, woodcutting, etc. No matter what happens there will always be people who want more.

Sure.. :roll:

 

There are people out there who can't get members due to studies.. and other reasons similar. Those members who think we don't deserve updates should think about it.

 

I am not saying we are poor

 

 

 

How is it that you can't dedicate enough time to warrant paying for members, but you're more than willing to spend time with things that are given free? If you're not poor, what is it about paying $5 a month that's such an issue? Sure you may not be able to utilize it to its full benefit, but isn't the increase in pleasure during playing time worth the scant cost?

 

 

 

The whole thing about money vs time being such a hangup for people just doesn't fly with me. I'm a college student with little time and less money. I'm taking 15 credit hours, working 25 hours a week, trying to plan a wedding, and bringing in barely enough for expenses. Still, to me the $5 that I spend each month seems worth it. So I eat a few less hamburgers to pay for something I only get to play a couple times a week; big deal. That $5 makes one of my favorite hobbies more enjoyable, so it just doesn't matter that I'm not taking full advantage of it.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure members just won, best arguement for our side i've heard yet mate :)

#-o

 

 

 

I hate these discussions~

 

 

 

Why cant they just Pay 5 Bucks ?!

Sure.. :roll:

 

There are people out there who can't get members due to studies.. and other reasons similar. Those members who think we don't deserve updates should think about it.

 

I am not saying we are poor

 

 

 

How is it that you can't dedicate enough time to warrant paying for members, but you're more than willing to spend time with things that are given free? If you're not poor, what is it about paying $5 a month that's such an issue? Sure you may not be able to utilize it to its full benefit, but isn't the increase in pleasure during playing time worth the scant cost?

 

 

 

The whole thing about money vs time being such a hangup for people just doesn't fly with me. I'm a college student with little time and less money. I'm taking 15 credit hours, working 25 hours a week, trying to plan a wedding, and bringing in barely enough for expenses. Still, to me the $5 that I spend each month seems worth it. So I eat a few less hamburgers to pay for something I only get to play a couple times a week; big deal. That $5 makes one of my favorite hobbies more enjoyable, so it just doesn't matter that I'm not taking full advantage of it.

 

 

 

Stands Up and Applauses =D>

Honestly it's not needed. But if anything I would say agility would be the logical choice.

 

 

 

Personally, I think fletching would be a bit more logical. Bringing agility to F2P would force Jagex to open up new agilitly courses in the already small F2P world. F2P already has all of the supplies needed for fletching. We just would be able to make everything except for mage bows, and maybe rune arrows. Thoughts?

i think that we don't get any member skills because we don't pay and there are always members who don't want to share anything.so i think that we don't get any new skills and if i need to be honest i don't care if there are any new skills for us but if they want to give a member skill i wouldn't say no then.

 

so i want to have new skill if it's possible but if we don't get a member skill then i wouldn't go dead of that.it's jagex choise to give us something.

 

now i am going to pray to jagex for a member skill :pray: :pray: :pray:

 

lol

no

 

 

 

im not mean but its a trial, Jagex is not losing money cuz f2p's are unhappy

wait for it..... YES

 

 

 

 

 

I think some skills should be released in f2p. But they should also be very limited in what they can make and do.

It could only be a good thing for Jagex, perhaps convincing people to become members in order to unlock the rest of the skill, and it would take off the pressure to bring in more major f2p updates.

 

 

 

Or it could just encourage people to stay in f2p because of the adding of a skill. And remember the story of the kid who fed the stray dog? He fed it one little scrap of food, and the dog just wanted more and more and more :x . In other words, it would show that Jagex is giving into their demands (that they don't have to make btw) and would possible encourage them to want more and more.

if f2p were to have a member skill introduced i really think it would be fletching

 

 

 

i mean we already have smithing and rc. it would be kinda stupid not for rangers to make their own ammunation

Long read here, I know, but I really thought this out because I had nothing to do right now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Farming probably shouldn't be added since the only effective way of getting seeds is through Theiving. Giving Theiving to F2P could potentially crash their economy since so little gp goes through it. Even theiving men at 3gp a pop can ruin the economy if some people camp out enough.

 

 

 

Farming - No

 

Theiving - No

 

 

 

Herblore requires a member's quest to start. Given, this quest is smack on the edge of F2P, so it wouldn't be too terribly hard to open up the area a little bit. Place the gate at the entrance to White Wolf Mountain and up the path towards Burthope, then prevent them from walking too far into Taverly Dungeon with "Log into a member's server to use this gate" messages. Many monsters around Runescape, in F2P as well, drop herbs, so they'd have a small source, however these herbs should probably be restricted to Guam and Tarromin herbs only for Attack and Strength potions. Eyes of Newts are already needed for some F2P quest and are readily in stock in the Magic Store in Port Sarim, and Limpwurt Roots can be obtained throughout the Edgeville Dungeon so they can be gotten. So for F2P people, training up to level 12 Herblore and then cutting them off would be sufficient.

 

 

 

Herblore - Level 12

 

 

 

Hunting has absolutely no helpful effects for F2P at low levels, nor are any low level areas close enough to F2P for there to be little impact on areas to train. Long story short, no Hunting for F2P.

 

 

 

Hunting - No

 

 

 

Fletching, as someone mentioned before, is a skill that F2P archers could really use. All of their supplies must be purchased from an archery store or obtained through monster drops, which are meager at best. This skill wouldn't have to be opened very far, only enough for them to make Iron arrows and Oak Longbows at most. Logs for the Arrowshafts and Bows are easily found in F2P, as are the feathers for the Arrowshafts. A small flax field could be added behind Lumbridge Castle for them to collect from, and they'd be all set.

 

 

 

Fletching - Level 25

 

 

 

Slayer is a stat trained mainly from combat. The lowest level trainer is Turael, who is located in Burthope. The only trainer I can think of who is in a F2P area is Vannakka, in Edgeville Dungeon. He only trains reletively high level players (by F2P standards) so few would be able to access that skill, and thus giving them a "demo" of it would require work to get access to. There are plenty of monsters in F2P areas which can be slayer monsters, so there would be little problem with giving them tasks, however it would probably overcrowd the areas where they are, so it would be interesting to see what happens.

 

 

 

As for benefits from the slayer skill, I really can't see any that could be given to F2P people, so my final answer would have to be no, since there would be no bonuses unlocked for them in F2P.

 

 

 

Slayer - No

 

 

 

 

 

Alright, so as a final summary...

 

 

 

Farming - No

 

Theiving - No

 

Herblore - Level 12

 

Hunting - No

 

Fletching - Level 25

 

Slayer - No

 

 

 

Herblore and Fletching are the only 2 skills that could have an impact on F2P when given as a small demo. If any skills would be "demoed" off to F2p people, it would probably be one of these two.

If we had too: Fletching up too maple longs/Mith arrows/Mith Darts. With a new flax field (ug autoers..) With a few maple tree scattered around the map.

Nope. Especially the bit about fletching. Fletching is one of the few all-profit skills, you can easily make a profit doing anything with fletching. If it was opened up to f2p there would be a surplus of Arrows and the best way to get a profit from fletching is gone.

If it was opened up to f2p there would be a surplus of Arrows and the best way to get a profit from fletching is gone.

 

I thought high alching magic longbows was the best way to profit from fletching..

Ok, the best way to get money from fletching under level 69 :P

Ok, the best way to get money from fletching under level 69 :P

 

 

 

And the suggestion I had made in my comment only gave them upto level 25, so we wouldn't even be close to busting on the Member's economy, unless you count Arrow Shafts, which really don't have that much of a market anyways.

 

 

 

For Herblore, hardly anyone buys Attack and Strength potions, so they could be a real kicker in F2P. They already have the ability to get Strength Potions from the Apothecary, so why not give them another, more convenient means to get them?

 

 

 

 

 

(By the way, I don't support giving F2P member stats, I'm just expressing my views on how much they should get if they were to get any at all).

i would say no but if any skill is opened up it should be agility. if you open up farming that would make them not join membys :lol:

Lets give them fletching, just so that those people who still somehow think thier fletching 99 capes are good, get shown once and for all it makes them look worse :-w

 

 

 

Lol, not being sarcastic there, it would do good.

No. The market for iron arrows (Used most often in training) would crash.

ABbbssssssooollluuuttteeeellly not.

 

 

 

That's part of the benefits to becoming a member! All the areas in the game for member skills, mostly, are in member areas. Might as well make the game completely free! Jagex doesn't want that! They are making over $5M a month due to memberships! If you want member skills, BECOME A MEMBER!!!!

I don't mean entirely, perhaps just to a certain level but with the ability to train it up to 99. I mean, I don't think anyone is in any doubt that f2p is lacking rather a lot. I just think that opening up something like farming, which f2p members could get access to with the farming patches in f2p, would give a taster of the members world as well as providing something a bit different for those restricted to free-play. It could only be a good thing for Jagex, perhaps convincing people to become members in order to unlock the rest of the skill, and it would take off the pressure to bring in more major f2p updates. I'm not saying it has to be farming btw, it just seemed like one of the more convenient skills to open up, and a reasonably enjoyable one to boot. Opinions?

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex has NO pressure at all to bring in major free to play updates. They have enough.