In the poll I can't see people don't care about graphics. The Poll is about why people go to certain area's, not 'Do you like graphic updates'. For me, I don't visit an area for the graphics, but I still like the update.

 

 

 

It's a game, you don't go to place to see graphics (unless they just have been updated) but you go to places to play the game. When it's nicer after a graphics update, it's just extra special.

I love how people are stupid enough to quote a recent poll over this graphics update. When Jagex have explained many times before it takes 6 months for an update to go from concept to release.

 

 

 

That means they started working on varrock in around November last year.

 

 

 

How could a poll for about april this year possibly of effected that?

 

 

 

 

 

Besides the graphics updates are great at pulling in new players and giving the game a higher quality.

 

 

 

Its not all about content updates.

 

 

 

I personally can't wait to see the last areas (edegville, canafis, mort'on, Cathurby > Ardougne) get their face lifts to be in line with the new graphics.

 

 

 

Not to mention the last of the npc updates to the older monsters.

 

Until someone gives me a valid reason for why Jagex wants to make updates that are the complete OPPOSITE of their poll results, I am standing my ground.

 

 

Two reasons for you:

 

 

 

First, you are still not reading the pollquestion right. They ask the MAIN reason why you would go to an area. Not surprisingly, not much people go to an area to stand there and look at the grafics, and do nothing. Most normal people go to an area because they is something to do there.

 

And that's what is in that poll. Some people go to somewhere because of skills, other because of shops, or quests, etc.

 

But that doesn't exclude the fact that all those people doesn't value grafics! I know for sure that most of them enjoy being somewhere more if the grafics are better. But that wasn't simply the question in the poll.

 

 

 

Second: Jagex is updating all the grafics in the F2P area for all those new people who come into the game. Those new people have to make a verdict what they think about the grafics (and lots of other stuff about the game) before they make a verdict, and decide whether they are gonna continue playing, or quit. And because the first impression is important, the F2P area's get updated first.

 

Why they haven't done Lumbrigde yet, I don't know. But I'm pretty sure that is an update we will see someday.

also if you want to change updates then you will be waiting a while.the new varrock would have ben plannedmonths,even years ago,theyre not gonna pull an update based on a poll or players reactions.theyll take on board the players oppnions for the next updates.

 

 

 

anyway i only have 40 points in the museum so i doubt ill get on that boat but hey,i only want to see what the rewards are(zaros st00f please :pray:)

What is wrong with you people? I'm mad at the fact that Jagex wasted 2 weeks to bring us an update that I feel is completely worthless. Yes, for Java, it looks awesome. That is not the point.

 

 

 

The point is that graphic updates are what I care about the LEAST in this game, and EVEN AN OFFICIAL RUNESCAPE POLL SHOWS THAT GRAPHICS ARE THE LEAST CONCERN OF MOST OF RUNESCAPE!

 

 

 

This is not just me, and this is not some random poll. It is a poll that Jagex conducted themselves. To make matters as awful as possible, graphics updates arent number 3, 4, or even 5 on the list. They are DEAD LAST. 2% of 50k+ people voted for graphics updates, and its what we get.

 

 

 

There are plenty of existing features that I like about Runescape, and plenty of things I would like to do that I have not yet done (for those reasons I continue to play this game on occaision and continue to view these forums), but I find it hard to believe that I am the only one who is outraged that they wasted 2 whole weeks worth of updates to release something that very little of the population really cares about. The mini game is...meh, I dont care about that. It's stupid too, but atleast there isn't an official poll that strictly conflicts with that update.

 

 

 

People who are telling me to leave...all I have to say is this: I don't care. If the best counter-argument you can come up with is to just tell me to leave, then you have about the intelligence of a paper clip. I rant about an update and even show concrete proof that graphics updates are a complete waste of time and please very little of the population. What do you come up with? "GO PLAY WOW MASTER GAMER LOL!!" Great... :uhh:

 

 

 

Also, I really do not expect them to come out with a "second update" and this one just being fake. Why? Because I am not an imbecile. My previous post was just an overt use of sarcasm used to attempt to make my rant more pronounced. Apparently some of you didn't get that. :-s

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

 

Sorry, but this is just hilarious.

 

 

 

Ok, I am getting ticked at you. Don't you realize this si more of a passive thing? Do ANYONE go anywhere that they need to for graphics? NO! Try avoiding varrock for a few hours of gameplay, hard isn't it? The graphics are ment to make the gameplay more fun and interactive, maybe even a little more complicated. Not every update needs to be a new skill. Its like monster updates: its apart of a revamping proccess. Stop complaining and have fun!

Until someone gives me a valid reason for why Jagex wants to make updates that are the complete OPPOSITE of their poll results, I am standing my ground.

 

 

 

Because they're working to make the game the best that they think they can. The majority of players didn't feel the RS2 graphical overhaul necessary, but it's worked to bring in more business. Which means more staff and more people to make the totally awesome updates you seem to think the graphics team would be doing otherwise.

 

 

 

Also, if you even think about responding to this post, ask yourself this question: "What is my combat level?" If the answer is anywhere under 110, I really dont care about you or your opinion, because there is no possible way for you to understand. Seriously. Not trying to be mean, but you just wont get it.

 

 

 

I've been playing since '01, so I do so hope that counts. I would hate for you to disregard my post due to my combat level (and skill total! Oh boy!) I may not get "it", but I don't see what my combat level in some arbitrary game has to do with my knowledge of how a business should act. You yourself have made a good example of how the two aren't linked.

 

 

 

Hint: It's not by taking the foremost voted for options of a poll and churning out content to comply. They don't do graphical updates that often at all, and I can almost guarantee that the graphics staff only work on it when they aren't doing other, more important content (I really doubt they'd have succeeded so far as a business if otherwise).

 

 

 

Now go ahead and cripple my points with elitism and misguided anger!

Not what I like, not what you like, but rather the fact that Jagex seems oblivious to what their customers (good customers, long time customers) really want and desire to have in their game.

 

 

 

. . .

 

 

 

Also, if you even think about responding to this post, ask yourself this question: "What is my combat level?" If the answer is anywhere under 110, I really dont care about you or your opinion, because there is no possible way for you to understand. Seriously. Not trying to be mean, but you just wont get it.

 

 

 

This post is pathetic in at least three ways:

 

 

 

First, it betrays a misimpression that the high level players are Jagex's "best" customers. Hello? Jagex is a business. Their best customer is the guy who plunks down his five bucks per month and never plays (and never takes up any room on the servers). Better yet is the kid who pays for four files (yes, they do) when he can play only one at a time. You grinders who play hour after hour, taking up space on the Jagex servers and still paying no more than anybody else are NOT the best customers. So why should Jagex cater to you? You're obviously hooked. You're not going to go anywhere and walk away from your thousands of invested hours. Again, Jagex is very business saavy -- you're not.

 

 

 

Second, this loser thinks that being a high level player is a good thing. No offense to high level players, most of whom are very nice, but we all play this game too much, and the higher your level, the sadder it is. I don't mean to insult anyone, but having multiple skillcapes is nothing to brag about. Play the game. Enjoy it. But you're delusional if you think that high stats makes you somehow superior.

 

 

 

Third, the whining about nothing new for high levels to do is very tiring. There's plenty for you to do. Try the fight pits and prove what a virtual BA you are (because heaven knows you're not a real life beast). If you can't find anyone to give you a good fight there, post a challenge on this forum -- you'll get plenty of takers. Better yet, put on all your best armor and stroll around in deep wildy -- that'll get your heart racing. When you get right down to it, what you want is for Jagex to spend thousands of programming hours to make a "safe" game that a few stat grinders can play. Give it up. They're not going to do it. There's no reason for them to do it.

Very nice update! love it!

Very nice update! love it!

 

 

 

+1

 

 

 

And seriosuly...Everyone quit your arguing.

 

It's pointless, it's not getting you anywhere and I'm sick of it.

I agree with myweapon, very few people are waiting for a graphical update. Rs graphics suck, no way to ignore that. A good quest or fun minigame would be a alot better.

Ehhh, didn't we got something between a minigame and a quest with the Varrock museum update? What are you talking about?

 

And to the fool who said this number is inaccurate, it doesn't change the fact that polls do NOTHING. That still really grinds my gears. The fact stands that an official Jagex poll showed that people who desired graphics are a minority, and Jagex has recently started gearing more and more updates toward graphics. This is fact. You don't get it. It's not like I'm here saying "OMG I HATE THIS". We're talking about an official poll. Not what I like, not what you like, but rather the fact that Jagex seems oblivious to what their customers (good customers, long time customers) really want and desire to have in their game.

 

 

 

Are you honestly this ignorant? There were seven options to choose from in that poll, the user was given the option of choosing one of them. This definantely does not show that people don't want graphics updates, and has it still not become obvious to you, just by reading through this thread, that the majority of the people do in fact like it? What this poll shows is what people prefer, not what people dislike. With seven options, and the area not specified (I know that I only visit the body altar for it's looks, but somewhere like willow trees i'm there for woodcut experience first, but if it looks nice at the same time, great), it would be very rare that the first choice for people visiting major training areas would be because of the graphics. This, again, does not mean that the graphics aren't appreciated by the majority.

 

 

 

Rs graphics suck

 

Which is why they're updating them :roll: =D>

Ehhh, didn't we got something between a minigame and a quest with the Varrock museum update? What are you talking about?

 

 

 

Notice the 'fun' in my post? I'm not saying this update isn't, all updates are, but I want something I really enjoy. Not something I do for half an hour and then never do again. I don't know what the reward is from the Museum minigame (hurry please Jagex), so I don't have an opnion about this update yet. It's just that I am sure they can do a lot better, but a lot of the past updates have been lame.

I'm not the biggest fan of this update, I would have much rather seen a new 95 Slayer Monster or a new team-minigame, but I can live with it, good job.

to spoon:

 

 

 

Why do they update graphics you say? Why do they do this when players want updates?

 

 

 

I really don't know....but i think this may have something to do with it.

 

 

 

Graphics Team

 

Anthony A

 

Dan B

 

Damian C

 

Daniel J

 

Darren B

 

Eoin McD

 

Guiseppe G

 

Hayden B

 

Hayo K

 

James W

 

Jamie S

 

Jeff K

 

Joe R

 

Kavi M

 

Kristian F

 

Laura W

 

Linh N

 

Matthew M

 

Matthew S

 

Nick F

 

Neil R

 

Paul B

 

Rasmus K H

 

Richard B

 

Stephen R

 

Wayne M

 

 

 

And the fact that they have this:

 

 

 

Content Team

 

Adam B

 

Alex M

 

Anthony W

 

Chihiro Y

 

Daniel J

 

Doug H

 

Dylan C

 

Ian G

 

Ingrid J

 

Isobel H

 

Graham B

 

Greg V

 

James B

 

John A

 

Liam P

 

Marion C

 

Matt H

 

Nancy J

 

Nik W

 

Oscar G

 

Paul B

 

Stuart W

 

Tim C

 

Tytn H

 

 

 

I think the main reason why they have graphics updates is that they aren't a 4 person company. They have hundreds of people on staff, in different departments. These people don't just sit around...

this whole post is turning into a huge flame war :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...with large flames

Ehhh, didn't we got something between a minigame and a quest with the Varrock museum update? What are you talking about?

 

 

 

so I don't have an opnion about this update yet.

 

How on earth could you say then that a goodquest or a fun would be better? Seeing the opinionbased words good and fun, you'd almost start to think that you had an opinion there.

Ehhh, didn't we got something between a minigame and a quest with the Varrock museum update? What are you talking about?

 

 

 

so I don't have an opnion about this update yet.

 

How on earth could you say then that a goodquest or a fun would be better? Seeing the opinionbased words good and fun, you'd almost start to think that you had an opinion there.

 

 

 

Are you a boy or a girl?

*sits in a corner frightened about the posters who look like they are married some how and need to flame each other for every other thing* :uhh:

 

 

 

I like the update, Varrock looks great now and finally we have a nice and good museum.

 

I would rather have a quest or a minigame or a whatever you like. But as far as graphic updates go, this one is surely one of the best in the book IMO.

If you want to jump in during the middle of an argument, at least have the decency to read all of my posts. Or is that too difficult? Maybe I should use smaller words, or create a picture book next time. [bleep], you ignorant fools.

 

 

 

And to the fool who said this number is inaccurate, it doesn't change the fact that polls do NOTHING. That still really grinds my gears. The fact stands that an official Jagex poll showed that people who desired graphics are a minority, and Jagex has recently started gearing more and more updates toward graphics. This is fact. You don't get it. It's not like I'm here saying "OMG I HATE THIS". We're talking about an official poll. Not what I like, not what you like, but rather the fact that Jagex seems oblivious to what their customers (good customers, long time customers) really want and desire to have in their game.

 

 

 

Until someone gives me a valid reason for why Jagex wants to make updates that are the complete OPPOSITE of their poll results, I am standing my ground.

 

 

 

Also, if you even think about responding to this post, ask yourself this question: "What is my combat level?" If the answer is anywhere under 110, I really dont care about you or your opinion, because there is no possible way for you to understand. Seriously. Not trying to be mean, but you just wont get it.

 

 

 

In a semi-unrelated note, I find it absolutely hilarious that so many babies start to cry when Jagex is badmouthed. For F's sake, you would think I was insulting their mother...

you are an idiot beyond belief. Obviously people don't go to places because of the graphics, there are far better reasons to visit a place than graphics. People don't train on the monsters they do because of the graphics, or anything else. But that doesn't mean people don't enjoy places more thanks to the graphics. Were not blind, we saw that poll, you on the other hand are completely mentally slow, and must have been severely beaten over the head when you were a kid.

 

 

 

like I said, that poll is totally useless, not only is it asking the wrong question, but it also has the wrong audience. Did you forget that fact that the update also affects nonmembers? the future members? Do you realize that the poll has nothing to do with how much people like graphic updates? are you an idiot? yes. You need to go back to grade school, get proper basic education, then get some common sense, and then learn something about statistics. Don't bother showing your face on this forum until you do that, becuase you just lost everyones respect.

Ehhh, didn't we got something between a minigame and a quest with the Varrock museum update? What are you talking about?

 

 

 

Notice the 'fun' in my post? I'm not saying this update isn't, all updates are, but I want something I really enjoy. Not something I do for half an hour and then never do again. I don't know what the reward is from the Museum minigame (hurry please Jagex), so I don't have an opnion about this update yet. It's just that I am sure they can do a lot better, but a lot of the past updates have been lame.

 

 

 

Thank god somebody gets it. How many people were sitting here and posting "OMG NEW VARROK! Best update month ever!" Now, how many people were REALLY excited over the possibility that we could theoretically be due for a new skill? Yeah...thats what I thought. Also, for the past 3 or 4 months, we have gotten atleast one grafics update, aside from April. However, we have had TWO so far this month, so that makes up for the one we missed in April. This is frequent. This is more frequent than skill updates. It is more frequent than any other update, aside from quests. How anyone could ever say one a month is not frequent is just beyond me...look at the website yourself, this isn't a made up number.

 

 

 

The bottom line still stands. Grafics were voted as the least desireable feature in an area. Maybe Jagex is running out of ideas except for quests and grafics, or maybe they really have no intentions of ever using poll results (How long as the Lone Ranger poll been up now?).

 

 

 

Also, to the fools that say "OMG IT TAKES LIEK SO LONG FOR THE UPDATES TO BE DEVELOPED" This poll, if you were to actually read it, was from August of last year. Now, there was some fool who said "WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE A POLL FROM THIS APRIL?!"...I don't even know what to say. The poll was from August...either put your glasses on next time or go and slap the person who taught you how to read.

 

 

 

Again, not sure why people think I'm trying to be so mean. The poll is from "April"? Honestly...to think that is foolish. Anyone who says that isn't the truth is a liar.

 

 

 

Also, to the person who said the thing about 7 choices and etc.. Who said I didn't appreciate graphics? If you look back in this post you'll find a post where I do agree that the graphics look awesome. This doesn't change the fact that it is the second grafics update of the month, and we missed an update last week so that this week we can get our second grafics update, and a silly mini-game/quest/whatever that takes a short time to finish.

 

 

 

One final word on this. Back in the ole' days, when the discussion of a toatally re-vamped RS first came about, Jagex said something along the lines of "[We were going to just update the look of the environment, but then we found that the NPC and PC graphics looked sub-par in comparison. We didn't want our game to look mismatched, so we're completely re-vamping everything, with a re-vamped engine to boot.]"

 

This is exactly what is hapenning here. With all of these environment and NPC grafics updates, parts of the world are starting to be completely out of place, along with the PC grafics (not Pest Control, Player Character). I do hope that they extend these graphic updates to ALL areas of the world, because it does make the game more fun, and they do a great job at it.

 

 

 

What people don't seem to get in my anger and frustration is that its not about the grafics, and its not about the fact that I myself do not like it, because I do think that the grafics look nice. I personally am just very frustrated that it seems like we are now getting graphics updates INSTEAD of content updates. I'm just angry that we missed an update last week, and for what? A graphics update and the museum thing. The only excuse for this would be that the content team is working on something huge, and they are working their hands to the bone just to finish that up.

 

 

 

In conclusion...eh, I don't feel like bothering. Chances are you didn't read everything I said anyway.

I'm just asking myself: Why are you complaining? what's the big deal...

 

why botter?

 

A week isn't long...

 

iff you enjoy the game then you don't need updates...

 

 

 

o yeah and iff you say that world of warcraft is better: does world of warcraft get a content update every week? i think not...

 

 

 

There are a lot more arguments i can bring on... but i don't want to ruin this thread anymore then it is already...

What people don't seem to get in my anger and frustration is that its not about the grafics, and its not about the fact that I myself do not like it, because I do think that the grafics look nice. I personally am just very frustrated that it seems like we are now getting graphics updates INSTEAD of content updates. I'm just angry that we missed an update last week, and for what? A graphics update and the museum thing. The only excuse for this would be that the content team is working on something huge, and they are working their hands to the bone just to finish that up.

 

 

 

Ok, this makes your point more clear -- it's not that you hate graphics updates, it's that you're not happy with the content updates. That's fair -- not everyone likes everything that Jagex adds to the game. But I think you might be selling the "museum thing" short a little. It had to take a lot of work to put that together. You might not like it (although I think you admit that you haven't tried it, so I'm not sure how you can say that you don't like it), but lots of people seem to be having fun with it. And contrary to what you say, nobody has "finished" it yet -- they've done all they can do so far, and now they're waiting for the next "island" stage. And who knows? The next stage may be huge. You might love it. It could be another fight caves or something? And even if you don't like the island, this update strikes me as the kind of thing that will be expandable going forward, so if you don't like it now, you might like it better when they add to it in the future. Perhaps a little patience?

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The reasons you have been getting such overwhelmingly negative responses:

 

 

 

1)You brought levels into it, dont ever do that because its lame, oooooh you've played the game longer than me OBVIOUSLY your opinion carries more weight than mine.

 

2)You claimed you were speaking for everyone and had no vested interest yourself, you have now abandoned this line of reasoning and your arguments benefit from it.

 

3)You are using ONE unrepresentative piece of information to PROVE your point, thats ludicrous and you probably know it is.

 

4)Most people couldn't care less that you don't like w/e part of the game, its when you take your dislikes and try to make it look like you are being representative of the whole community that people bristle.

 

5) in this thread 90% (guestimation) of people responding LIKE the update, proving your [wagon] wrong.

 

6)Ask your avergae Scaper what they want and its something along the lines of : Easy to get rare items- the average scaper is stupid and in no way should Jagex listen to them.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry to beat a dead horse and carry this on, but your reasoning is unsound. Actually i would love a new skill and i am almost certain one will be coming this month.

 

 

 

I couldnt do the dream mentor quest (update) because i havent done the required quest/s, but i didnt get angry because 1)im not an [wagon] :P 2)Jagex does a very good job of making everyone as happy as can be.

I'm just asking myself: Why are you complaining? what's the big deal...

 

why botter?

 

A week isn't long...

 

iff you enjoy the game then you don't need updates...

 

 

 

o yeah and iff you say that world of warcraft is better: does world of warcraft get a content update every week? i think not...

 

 

 

There are a lot more arguments i can bring on... but i don't want to ruin this thread anymore then it is already...

 

 

 

Does RS have 2000+ quests, dungeons that take hours to play, and several classes and races? And does RS let you play multiple characters with the same membership? WoW doesn't need weekly updates because the original game alone was much larger than RS will ever be. I don't want to discuss this as a group, but I really felt like I had to set this person straight...please no more discussion on this.

 

 

 

And to anyone who feels the same way as berb does, I'm sorry. It's not that I'm saying your opinion doesn't count, that really is not what I am trying to say at all. The fact is that, as a level 120+ player, I feel that less than 10% of the updates are aimed at a player of my level. I'm not saying that anyone under a certain level is just stupid, or ignorant, or blah blah blah...I'm just trying to say that, if you are not a high level player, there really is no way to understand how frustrating it is when the first update after two weeks is something that adds very little to the game. Sorry for any confusion about this, but I am not one of those guys who just thinks that if you aren't a high level, then you don't matter.

 

 

 

Think of it this way...if rune armor suddenly got its stats lowered down to being only +1 above adamant, you would be upset, right? Of course, anyone with 40+ defense would be. But, if there is a lower leveled player, do you think he would be upset? No. It doesn't affect him. The same holds true for the lack of updates aimed at players of my skill total/combat level. This game in general has a huge lack of features in the high levels of all skills (atleast in comparison to the number of features for low levels). So, trust me on this one, anyone of a low level simply cannot understand the frustration. Imagine if every update that came along was for level 126 players, so that they are completely useless for you. That is my frustration, and I hope its a little more clear now.

 

 

 

I hope that the new island will have features that actually contribute to the game, and that people have a reason to come back to the island after they have finished exploring the update.

 

 

 

EDIT: Another main reason this is so frustrating is because I was around for when the updates to this game were amazing. For awhile, one update after the next was giving higher level players many things to do. We had slayer, barrows, DKs...the list goes on and on. We haven't had an update like any of these in forever..the last one was probably the DKs, more than a year ago. Since PC has come out, the average player level has definitely gone up, and the melee stats are now one of the more common 99s to see. Come on Jagex, it's time for some high level updates. Armor, weapons, monsters, whatever...we just need something.