Well, I was looking on youtube for odd random things when i was having a quick break from my runecrafting route when I came across a video of new lurers; with the ditch.

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FaiShvQ9NE (incase you don't believe me)

 

 

 

This proves that the ditch is worthless, right? They don't even pay attention to this. All it has done is disrupted the Runecrafting route, (this 3-4 seconds may not sound like much but, when your making say, 100k runes it could be the difference between an extra day) made level 1 wilderness smaller by an extra 3 steps(?) - this was one of the most popular ways of pking, (don't comment saying "only rubbish pkers pk there anyway")

 

 

 

My opinion is that the ditch is a waste of time, the people who is was brought in to "protect" don't even listen to it, all it has done is made it worse for the rest of us. The runecrafters, low level pkers. This is also over protecting them aswell, the idea of a MMORPG is to explore, not to be told where everything is. The old wilderness sign was alot better if you ask me, if you was wandering towards the wilderness BANG, a sign covering the screen comes up and tells you what is happening - it even stops you from walking any further. Surely that would be enough of a warning?

 

 

 

Well, you have heard my thoughts so please, post yours.

There's no solution to people's stupidity.

A bunch of things have become worthless this year :|

 

 

 

Ditch, Mining, Fletching, ....... I'll think of some more later....

 

 

 

Because of so much noobs ranting about getting lured. Jagex decided to hold our hands while playing this game like if we were little childrens. -.-

 

 

 

Edit: I saw the video, wow some people really think that someone just left a rune kite for no reason? lol

 

 

 

Their own faults for not being a teleport into the wilderness

I only watch about 3/4 of the way through that vid, but whilst the people did get killed I don't see any way to prove they were lured to their deaths. As far as I can tell its a set up or people who just don't know how to defend them selves.

So far as I notice, the 'lurer' placed a note on the floor, and an unsuspecting person went to grab that note, where he got PKed?

 

 

 

That's not luring. The issue with luring is that people weren't entering the Wilderness at their own choice. Here, people are manually crossing the ditch at their own accord. Therefore, if they get attacked, it's fair game. It's not the PKer's fault he was stupid enough to fall for it in the first place.

 

 

 

This doesn't prove the ditch is ineffective at all. This is a pathetic, half-drawn attempt by a RCer to get the ditch removed, and it doesn't prove anything.

The ditch helps a few but if the person is willing to take there stuff into the wild to trade there still gonna be stupid enough to do it its just a matter or two more clicks to go over the ditch.

Dropping items in wild so they enter the wild and pick it up, and then get pked is luring.

 

I can't stand the people who made the video: ''safes and teles'' ''loggers how sad'' Hope they all get banned.

 

The people who got pked are stupid. :?

Dropping items in wild so they enter the wild and pick it up, and then get pked is luring.

 

I can't stand the people who made the video: ''safes and teles'' ''loggers how sad'' Hope they all get banned.

 

The people who got pked are stupid. :?

 

How is it? They're clearly warned of the dangers of the Wilderness, and that no-one else apart from them takes responsability if their tiems are lost?

 

 

 

The know the dangers when they go into the Wilderness, so how is the PKer in the wrong? Just because he set the bait doesn't mean he's a lurer.

You choose to go over the ditch and get it, where as before lurers exploited the game to make them look like they're out of the wilderness so the unsuspecting player would go into the wild and loose their items, this isn't really luring as you go into the wild under your own free will and the warning signs are there and if you die when you choose yourself to go into the wild then it's your fault for being naive.

So this is all good?

 

Can't believe this doesn't count as luring. Because this is the is exactly the thing they did before, dropping stuff in wildy and then pk the people. So the ditch acually made it legal. Too bad.

I'm not saying it's all good, but it's your own fault if you die after crossing the ditch.

Looks like the friend is selling rune kites or something, and they say they dropped it in the wilderness.

 

 

 

Yes, that counts as luring. -.-

Looks like the friend is selling rune kites or something, and they say they dropped it in the wilderness.

 

 

 

Yes, that counts as luring. -.-

 

That was what I was saying, and Mc, I don't mean it's all good. But it's good as in not ban-able. :(

Dropping items in wild so they enter the wild and pick it up, and then get pked is luring.

 

I can't stand the people who made the video: ''safes and teles'' ''loggers how sad'' Hope they all get banned.

 

The people who got pked are stupid. :?

 

 

 

i totally agree with you. when i read that i was like wtf? you're basically scamming these people. except instead of item scamming, you're pk scamming. people like this need to quit rs. they suck at pking and thats why they lure

That's not luring. The issue with luring is that people weren't entering the Wilderness at their own choice. Here, people are manually crossing the ditch at their own accord. Therefore, if they get attacked, it's fair game. It's not the PKer's fault he was stupid enough to fall for it in the first place.

 

Actually, yes they were entering at their own choice. The 'book' glitch had already been fixed when the ditch was introduced. The reason for the ditch is because people were entering the wild under false pretences of people selling an item at the prayer guild. Therefore, the 'bait' was the good deal.

 

 

 

In this case, the 'bait' is an item dropped on the ground, it is still luring the person into wild.

So far as I notice, the 'lurer' placed a note on the floor, and an unsuspecting person went to grab that note, where he got PKed?

 

 

 

That's not luring. The issue with luring is that people weren't entering the Wilderness at their own choice. Here, people are manually crossing the ditch at their own accord. Therefore, if they get attacked, it's fair game. It's not the PKer's fault he was stupid enough to fall for it in the first place.

 

 

 

This doesn't prove the ditch is ineffective at all. This is a pathetic, half-drawn attempt by a RCer to get the ditch removed, and it doesn't prove anything.

 

 

 

I couldn't agree less. Being a RC'er myself, I haven't noticed a problem. I have made little over 11k nature runes and law runes using the abys and the ditch never bothered me.

 

 

 

As for the lures. I play a different game, strategy and my motto remains:

 

 

 

''Greed kills''

 

 

 

Enough said with this. If you see something which is to good to be true (free rune stuff?) it probaly is. And this case is no different. This wasn't luring. This was just using the bad side op people called greed. And there is nothing wrong with abusing that.. at least, not in such a game. Teaches people a lesson. :-w

That's not luring. The issue with luring is that people weren't entering the Wilderness at their own choice. Here, people are manually crossing the ditch at their own accord. Therefore, if they get attacked, it's fair game. It's not the PKer's fault he was stupid enough to fall for it in the first place.

 

Actually, yes they were entering at their own choice. The 'book' glitch had already been fixed when the ditch was introduced. The reason for the ditch is because people were entering the wild under false pretences of people selling an item at the prayer guild. Therefore, the 'bait' was the good deal.

 

 

 

In this case, the 'bait' is an item dropped on the ground, it is still luring the person into wild.

 

If this is a case where someone has offered a trade, and has then said they dropped it in the Wildy, then of course, that's against the rules. It's trading under false pretenses.

 

 

 

However, if someone decides to spontaneously drop an item at the edge of the Wilderness, and then someone sees this item having had no contact with the item dropper to go and get that item, then that's not the kind of luring that's banned. It's a form of baiting, but as said before, the person that enters the Wilderness does so in full knowledge that there's nothing stopping them from getting killed in the action of retrieving the dropped item. They agree when they click the confirmation box that they are doing so at their own risk, and that at any point, someone could kill them, and that there is no rule set by Jagex to protect their items.

 

 

 

Maybe people should actually look at the potential solutions to this problem of Trade scamming on the edge of the Wilderness. i see two solutions:

 

 

 

A) Jagex decides to protect everyone that goes into the Wilderness, and at this point, the difference between PKing and luring becomes smaller and smaller, and reports involving such incidents become harder and harder to deal with. Some PKer accounts wrongly punished, some lurers slip through the net (so it doesn't solve the problem entirely either), not to mention a PKing community completely up in arms over how anyone who enters the Wilderness has a case to say "They scammed me", and potentially falsely report them.

 

 

 

B) The RS community eventually comes to the realisation that if victims didn't go trades at the end of the Wilderness didn't go wearing Guthix Full Helms (etc.), or if people were sensible enough to not trade near the Wilderness in the first place, this problem wouldn't actually exist in the first place, or if it did, the luring 'market' (for lack of a better word) couldn't sustain itself. Therefore, Jagex releases a public announcement clearly warning people of the dangers of the Wilderness, and the inevitable scams that are due to these dangers, and any other case after is labelled as the victim's fault for entering the Wilderness on their own.

 

 

 

Of course, I don't think luring like this is a particularly good thing. In fact, I think it's pretty lame people do this. But I'm not going to blame them for what is frankly other people's stupidity. I supported action being taken on luring, because there were cases where people were entering the Wilderness without giving consent to do so. However, that has been removed thanks to the ditch, and now you have to give consent enter the Wilderness, and in doing so, you accept the dangers of the Wilderness.

 

 

 

So, in short, this is wrong if the victim and lurer had an agreement prior to the PK, however, if the PKer drops a high value item, and the victim accepts the danger of losing their items in fetching that item, I really see no crime there. Noone has been deceived...

lol :XD:

 

My friends been begging me to come do this with him for ages, I think I might go and do it till I get a santa or phat or so...

 

I hope this doesn't remove too many people from the victims pool XD

 

Do I sound like I do things wrong? :S Come on... you've seen the vid, they tell those people they drop 10mill or 50 dscimmies IN THE WILDERNISS and only by seing the note, without knowing how much it even is they go after it, many times carrying even more then they're going to pick up on the ground...

 

And yeah, I've seen the letters on tipits homepage about how the stupidness of the others doesn't justify the actions blablabla, but seriously, if they would only think a bit, or maybe read a bit (I hate the people annoying me just because they don't read at all in rs...) anyways noone would fall for this if they were 13+ and read mandatory announcements !!!!!

 

So yeah, the only people dying are the ones that broke rules already...

 

Seriously, I might go do a bit of this...

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: I love how he complains about loggers and teleers in the end XDXDXD

Looks like the friend is selling rune kites or something, and they say they dropped it in the wilderness.

 

 

 

Yes, that counts as luring. -.-

 

 

 

It's kinda the buyer's fault due to the fact s/he is dumb enough to go to the wilderness with cash

Ok, the people who do get lured, theyve learnt thier lesson, and i bet they won't fall for it again.

 

 

 

But the lurers, are just scum of the earth in my opinion. Too wimp to face people who will fight back? no better than a mugger who picks on an old lady because she can't fight back. I think somebody should add any lurers they know and just aim to pk these scumbags.

Looks like the friend is selling rune kites or something, and they say they dropped it in the wilderness.

 

 

 

Yes, that counts as luring. -.-

 

 

 

It's kinda the buyer's fault due to the fact s/he is dumb enough to go to the wilderness with cash

 

Yes but it's still deceiving. And I think lieing about deals is against the rules. And doesn't it count as drop-trading? Yes it's not to one of your own accounts but I can't believe this isn't ban-able.

ROFL at "safes and teles" what the hell is wrong with this guy, does he think hes actually fighting the other person? No, fighting on runescape implies that they're there for pking, its actually called a mugging. :lol:

 

 

 

Its also funny that it takes 3 years for him to kill someone with no food or pking supplies. The irony in that is that if we are going to call someone "sad" i think he would take that considering hes so hungry for runescape gold that he has to cheat other people out of their items due to their stupidity, its the same principle as stealing money off a mentally weak kid at school. Of course not the same in affecting someones life but still ridiculously pathetic.

Luring is wrong I agree but rly it's the person going into the wilderness fault because they're dumb enough to ignore the signs and flashing warnings. IMO jagex has done everything within their power to stop luring yet no matter what ppl are still going to walk into the wilderness because, hey why not it's a free rune pl8 right?

Cursed the maker of the video off :thumbsup:

there is nothing we can do to just stop all the stupid 8 year olds from being incredibly stupid. Two things are infinite, the universe, and human stupidity, but I'm not sure about the human stupidity.

 

 

 

They will just keep going and going, they don't pay attention, just go through. No matter what we put there, it'd have to be something they can't just go past, like a IQ test every time they log in which requires a 100+ IQ to pass.