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Will gold farmers, be the downfall of RuneScape?


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This is written from the perspective of P2P.



What has prompted me to create this thread is that over the past weeks I have noticed a very large increase in “gold farmersâ€ÂÂ

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Yes, they do have a big impact, no that wont cause JaGeX to shut down Runescape.

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I think that this is the single biggest issue in RuneScape right now and I think that it's growing by the day. Because these "players" drive raw material prices down, it makes those skills easier to get 99 in (since they become so cheap). And when they become easier, more people aspire to get 99 because it's an "easy 99." Cooking, though it has gotten better, was at an all-time low a couple months ago. Even the price of getting 99 construction dropped like 20-30m since last November, likely due to the amount of gold farmers/macroers making hundreds of thousands of planks, driving down the prices.



Basically my point is that with 99s easier to obtain (due to them becoming cheaper), more people will get them. When more people have them, there is less of a feeling of "pride" when they're achieved. If there's no pride or feeling of accomplishment, there's no motivation. If there's no motivation, there's no reason to play.
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Gold farmers wont necessarily be the "downfall" of RS as long as Jagex continues to ban those accounts. If they suddenly stop banning every rule breaking account then the game would run in to the ground very quickly. It's up to Jagex to solve the problem, all we can do is slow it down.
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Yes, as more and more tech savvy people realise the ease of setting up macroes and then selling them for real life money the autoers will increase every day.



At every major tree there are 10 autoers, at every major fishing spot there are 20 autoers, at every flax field there are 5 autoers, at every rune shop there are 2 autoers, at green dragons there are 2+ autoers, and thats all I can think of right there.



That alone puts up at the very least 200 autoers in a world. Now consider that they are in every world, thats over 200,000 autoers signed in at a time. Then the fact that they can make autoers as easy as you can take a crap only worsens the situation.



I predict in the future we can see as many as 500 autoers per world, and unless Jagex gets a super brilliant plan the only thing they can do is slightly slowdown there speed.

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It used to be that it would be rare for autoers to say something like "buy gold at runescape clerk dot net", I've been seeing a slight increase of gold farmers. Autoers are a force to be reckoned with. Rather than believing the conspiracies that Jagex is covering up, I think Jagex is trying as the shark prices has been really high lately. Possibly due to that, I noticed that bs, lob, and flax prices has been going down. I believe there is going to be a crash on the low-lvl raw resources. The problem with this issue is that many people ignore the issue, hoping that Jagex will do it all. They fail to realize that people need to help report these bots (in other words, being good customers). I seem to think most people are lazy because there's a good chance I'll be asked this at fishing guild:



"Aba, can you do something about these bots?"



"Report them plz"



"Aba, can u ban them plz"





Jagex is aware of this issue and I don't believe they are covering up the issue; we just gotta report these autoers everytime we think someone with a funky lvl 3 character named "Zu Fang 0o0o01" is macroning, its just a click away to that report abuse button
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I believe the problem of gold farmer is due to the ... staking and pking trend



When someone go pking, or staking, someone wins and someone loses. The winner is happy and go buy a phat. How about the loser? He've just loses millions of cash or items and cannot get it back because he isn't patient / don't even have enough non-combat skills to get the money back! (especially for pures, stakers,...) See the graveyard section and you will see people showing off winning millions worth of stakes, like ammy of fury, phats, santas, whips, and so on. pkers also need to take large amount of supplies to wilderness, and these are prone to losing, like stack of blood runes. Never will you get back even a single blood runes if you die.



So, this little selfish kids, googles and finds out the RWT websites, and buy them for several bucks (this is especially true for those rich kids, say those who get thousand dollars/euros a month for leisure uses) This is like adding oil to a fire, causing the problem burn like [bleep] and out of control



In conclusion, staking and pking is fueling the problem. However, I don't have any way to stop that without making those kids furious.
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What's so bad about making these rich kids mad? I WANT to see them cry if they get banned for buying gp or are unable to do so anymore :twisted: Serves 'em right. And also, if they quit or get banned, there's less demand for gp in exchange for real life money, so there will be less gold farmers. :thumbsup:

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so staking is the source of evil...?

this explains so much...

but seriously, if you can prevent gold-buying, it eliminates the need for gold-farming,. it's not just pures either, i went hunting for buyers and farmers once, saw only one staker account, the rest were normal people, one of which was a fairly high-level player.



when the runescape economy fails, i will sit there with a smile and play 'dust in the wind' on a cd player/guitar...

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Do you think I am just being a doom and gloom merchant or do you agree with me?




That is the sentence that jumped out at me. Why is it that only the merchanters are screaming the loudest? Merchanting is a lot tougher now because of all the bots.



But the "downfall" of RuneScape? Nah. Just train your skills that aren't as dependant on the making of money. There is more to this GAME than just merching everything that is dropped.
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[quote name="Doughnut"]I predict in the future we can see as many as 500 autoers per world, and unless Jagex gets a super brilliant plan the only thing they can do is slightly slowdown there speed.[/quote]



I believe we are close to that now. On the world I use most often (World53) the number of people logged in after midnight (UK time) used to drop to around 500-600. Now this world has consistently over 1000 logins after midnight. This means that this world probably already has around 400-500 gold farmers on it. I am sure this is not an isolated incident.



[quote="WookieeMania12"The problem with this issue is that many people ignore the issue, hoping that Jagex will do it all. They fail to realize that people need to help report these bots (in other words, being good customers). I seem to think most people are lazy.....



Jagex is aware of this issue and I don't believe they are covering up the issue; we just gotta report these autoers everytime we think someone with a funky lvl 3 character named "Zu Fang 0o0o01" is macroning, its just a click away to that report abuse button[/quote]



I totally agree with your comments here. Many times I have asked people to help me report obvious gold farmers only to get answers like "I'm too busy", "What's the point - nothing is ever done about them", etc. I think Jagex should inform us more on their progess against this plague then perhaps some of the doubters will actually start reporting.



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[quote name="brave"]Do you think I am just being a doom and gloom merchant or do you agree with me? [/quote]



That is the sentence that jumped out at me. Why is it that only the merchanters are screaming the loudest? Merchanting is a lot tougher now because of all the bots.

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I was not referring to merchants. The phrase "doom and gloom merchant" is a common english expression meaning someone who predicts that bad things are going to happen.

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Gold farmers will not be the end of runescape. If cheaters were allowed to prevail over legit players then half the games on the internet would be shut down. I can say this from having a couple positions of power on multiple MMOs that the gamemasters are doing something even it the effects are not immediate. Just because something is not announced it doesn't mean it did not happen, hence the TI hidden updates thread with all those posts. MMOs die when the players are gone, which will happen at some point in time. There are gold farmers on almost every MMO, but they do not ruin the gaming experience as much as inactive administrator teams and lack of updates. So until there is a point when a mass number of people lose interest or Jagex doesn't care anymore, and the number of people joining this game declines, RS will not die. Notice gold farming was not mentioned, they are barely a factor in the big BIIIIIIIIIg picture. This may take a while as RS is SO accessible that if it were any easier we would sit at the computer watching an exp. counter go up, so even the lil' ones can join, also with the language packs people all over the world will come in, of all ages. Don't worry about the end, take it one step at a time. Cheaters only win in their own confined world.

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Yes, as more and more tech savvy people realise the ease of setting up macroes and then selling them for real life money the autoers will increase every day.







At every major tree there are 10 autoers, at every major fishing spot there are 20 autoers, at every flax field there are 5 autoers, at every rune shop there are 2 autoers, at green dragons there are 2+ autoers, and thats all I can think of right there.







That alone puts up at the very least 200 autoers in a world. Now consider that they are in every world, thats over 200,000 autoers signed in at a time. Then the fact that they can make autoers as easy as you can take a crap only worsens the situation.







I predict in the future we can see as many as 500 autoers per world, and unless Jagex gets a super brilliant plan the only thing they can do is slightly slowdown there speed.








There are only 142 servers, not 1,000. That would only add up to 28,400 macroers logged on at a time. I doubt there's even that many. I've never seen a tree with more than 5-6 macroers.



EDIT: And most of the major fishing spots have much less than 20 people.

Ah, this reminds me about the noob on the Runescape forums who was upset with the quest "Cold War" because apparently his grandparents died in the war. :wall:


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Do you think I am just being a doom and gloom merchant or do you agree with me?








That is the sentence that jumped out at me. Why is it that only the merchanters are screaming the loudest? Merchanting is a lot tougher now because of all the bots.







But the "downfall" of RuneScape? Nah. Just train your skills that aren't as dependant on the making of money. There is more to this GAME than just merching everything that is dropped.








Trust you to say that ash :lol:







But no it wont be the downfall...jagex will keep doing it because people are paying jagex

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Yes, as more and more tech savvy people realise the ease of setting up macroes and then selling them for real life money the autoers will increase every day.



At every major tree there are 10 autoers, at every major fishing spot there are 20 autoers, at every flax field there are 5 autoers, at every rune shop there are 2 autoers, at green dragons there are 2+ autoers, and thats all I can think of right there.



That alone puts up at the very least 200 autoers in a world. Now consider that they are in every world, thats over 200,000 autoers signed in at a time. Then the fact that they can make autoers as easy as you can take a crap only worsens the situation.



I predict in the future we can see as many as 500 autoers per world, and unless Jagex gets a super brilliant plan the only thing they can do is slightly slowdown there speed.




There are only 142 servers, not 1,000. That would only add up to 28,400 macroers logged on at a time. I doubt there's even that many. I've never seen a tree with more than 5-6 macroers.

EDIT: And most of the major fishing spots have much less than 20 people.




Heh, woops. Mis calculated, should have been 20,000 autoers at a time.



You obviously don't travel much. The lumbridge yew trees have around 10 bots/famers/spawns of satan there. The willows at draynor have another ten. The yews at falador have around 5 per tree, and there are 5 or 6 trees there. Then there is Edgeville, which has another 5 or so autoers.



Then we have 5 autoers at falador rune shop. 1 or 2 autoers at port Sarim rune shop. The F2P lobsters probally have around 10 autoers there at any given time. Then we have another 10 autoers mining rune essence.



Now onto seers village. 10 autoers picking flax. another 10 dispersed between the random yew/magic trees. Catherby has at least 20 autoers at a time there. I've never been in the fishing guild. but its probally just as bad there.



And these are only places that I know about. There are probally a lot others out there. The fact still remains that there are over 100 autoers on any given world at one time.



100 x 142 = 14,200



Ok.. so at the very least we have 14,200 autoers signed in at all times. Now as the awareness of the profit these players make increases, we will start to see more macros appear. Right now it may only be 100 per world, but its slowly going to creep up and increase too 200, then eventually 300.



Right now autoers are a vastly big plague, sure they help drive the prices down. But they also drive your selling prices down, so they don't really help the community. The only way for Jagex to reverse this downword spiral would be to change how accounts are made and how one logs in.

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The effect of macroers in RuneScape is overrated. If Jagex goes banning autoers at the current rate RS will thrive for years, even decades, or until some company/companies really decide(s) to bring down RuneScape.

Plus nowadays I see like max. 5 macroers at each yew. Even less occasionally. Though that might be because some could be there but still need to hug willows until they get to 60 wc.
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[quote name="brave"]This is written from the perspective of P2P.



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To review the topic again - Are autoers bringing about the downfall of RS...?



No they aren't, BUT they are having a dramatic influence on the economy of RS. Look at the price of sharks jumping like a kanga, flax and bowstrings are at an all time low, nats are dropping, coal is rising, drag bones are 1/2 price compared to a few months ago and even iron ore is rising. All because of bots/macros.



I have no problem in paying top dollar to buy resources that have been hand picked by a real player (lets call them organic resources), rather than paying a lower price for resources collected by a bot - I'm sure most wouldn't. The problem is that no matter how hard Jagex try to remove the bots, they are unlikely to remove them all.



Can they remove enough bots to not allow them to affect the economy? I doubt it, so we either put up with automated characters controlling the price of raw materials, go collect your own, buy 'organic' resources only, or just quit RS. If the falling price of flax etc makes you so fustrated you will quit, then RS is probably not the game for you anyway.

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