Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[Zierro]

 

It's been proven that homosexuality isn't a choice.

 

 

 

#-o

 

 

 

 

If you're talking about the act of doing something homosexual, then you'd be right - a gay guy participating in homosexual sex is making a choice. But if you're talking about the orientation in general being a choice, then I don't understand how you think we can choose what turns us on and what does not.

[Sly_Wizard]

What are you going on about? No one would choose to be hated by society...

 

 

 

Even if you write it out once more it still won't be true.

 

 

 

...but they can't help being who they are. so you're saying being gay is a choice, well so is walking, it may be a choice but it comes naturally to you.

 

 

 

Bad example. Walking doesn't come naturally. You have to learn to do it.

[Serpent Eye]

What are you going on about? No one would choose to be hated by society...

 

 

 

Even if you write it out once more it still won't be true.

 

 

 

I'm still 100% confused... are you saying being gay IS a choice, or is NOT a choice?

[Lateralus]

I've never understood the importance of arguing whether or not being gay is a choice. It doesn't matter if it's nature or nurture either. Whether it's choice or not, or natural or not has nothing to do with the argument really. These aren't sensible criteria to use when we deciding to interfere with peoples lives.

[Nenga]

What are you going on about? No one would choose to be hated by society...

 

 

 

Even if you write it out once more it still won't be true.

 

Way to make me look like a douche :thumbsup: I wasn't just restateing it, I was making another point that you completely ruined by excluding the last part of my sentence.

 

 

 

 

...but they can't help being who they are. so you're saying being gay is a choice, well so is walking, it may be a choice but it comes naturally to you.

 

 

 

Bad example. Walking doesn't come naturally. You have to learn to do it.

Walking comes naturally to all animals, including humans. You think the first humans sit around their huts teaching their children to walk? You would walk if no one taught you.

[Serpent Eye]

I've never understood the importance of arguing whether or not being gay is a choice. It doesn't matter if it's nature or nurture either. Whether it's choice or not, or natural or not has nothing to do with the argument really. These aren't sensible criteria to use when we deciding to interfere with peoples lives.

 

 

 

It's no different than arguing whether being gay is "right or wrong," as this topic is prompting.

 

 

 

This whole topic is somewhat silly, IMO, but as long as it's up, I don't see why people can't feel free to discuss all sides to the topic.

[Zierro]

I've never understood the importance of arguing whether or not being gay is a choice. It doesn't matter if it's nature or nurture either. Whether it's choice or not, or natural or not has nothing to do with the argument really. These aren't sensible criteria to use when we deciding to interfere with peoples lives.

 

 

 

If there were 100% hardcore proof that being gay isn't a choice then that looks like a pretty big plus for homosexual supporters. Who would argue that it is wrong to be gay even when those who are gay have no control over it? It would equate it to other uncontrollable factors such as race - and we all know how racist discrimination just derives from ignorance.

[warri0r45]

I've never understood the importance of arguing whether or not being gay is a choice. It doesn't matter if it's nature or nurture either. Whether it's choice or not, or natural or not has nothing to do with the argument really. These aren't sensible criteria to use when we deciding to interfere with peoples lives.

 

 

 

If there were 100% hardcore proof that being gay isn't a choice then that looks like a pretty big plus for homosexual supporters. Who would argue that it is wrong to be gay even when those who are gay have no control over it? It would equate it to other uncontrollable factors such as race - and we all know how racist discrimination just derives from ignorance.

 

 

 

Hit the nail on the head - that's probably exactly why fundamentalist types argue that it's a choice. They don't want thier opposition to homosexuality to be seen as something like racism.

 

 

 

But at the same time I agree with the sentiments of Lateralus - it shouldn't really matter if it's a choice or not. What homoserxuals do behind closed doors, choice or not, is about as consequential to me as what movies they like to watch.

[The Dark Lord]

What are you going on about? No one would choose to be hated by society...

 

 

 

Even if you write it out once more it still won't be true.

 

 

 

I'm still 100% confused... are you saying being gay IS a choice, or is NOT a choice?

 

 

 

No, he's saying that homosexuals choose to be hated by society and are minions of Satan.

[Zierro]

Well I do get Sly's stance on that. Just because you would be hated for doing something doesn't mean you still won't do it. Jews chose to still be Jewish despite the reign of the Nazis. But then it all goes back to whether homosexuality is or is not a choice...

[warri0r45]

Good point, Zierro.

 

 

 

I think the nonsensical nature of choosing to counter our biological attraction to the opposite sex is a better argument for it not being a choice. If homosexuality were a choice, presumably I'd be able to choose to be attracted to guys, but as far as I'm concerned it's going to take some serious deprogramming before I can do anything like that.

[Lateralus]

I've never understood the importance of arguing whether or not being gay is a choice. It doesn't matter if it's nature or nurture either. Whether it's choice or not, or natural or not has nothing to do with the argument really. These aren't sensible criteria to use when we deciding to interfere with peoples lives.

 

 

 

If there were 100% hardcore proof that being gay isn't a choice then that looks like a pretty big plus for homosexual supporters. Who would argue that it is wrong to be gay even when those who are gay have no control over it? It would equate it to other uncontrollable factors such as race - and we all know how racist discrimination just derives from ignorance.

 

 

 

A fair point, but it's leverage that I don't think the argument requires. Religious discrimination is treated in much the same way as racial discrimination, religion being a choice and race being out of anyone's control.

 

 

 

I should hope that it's bigots people don't like, not specifically racists or sectarians or homophobes.

[Laura]

I've never understood the importance of arguing whether or not being gay is a choice. It doesn't matter if it's nature or nurture either. Whether it's choice or not, or natural or not has nothing to do with the argument really. These aren't sensible criteria to use when we deciding to interfere with peoples lives.

 

 

 

If there were 100% hardcore proof that being gay isn't a choice then that looks like a pretty big plus for homosexual supporters. Who would argue that it is wrong to be gay even when those who are gay have no control over it? It would equate it to other uncontrollable factors such as race - and we all know how racist discrimination just derives from ignorance.

 

 

 

Hit the nail on the head - that's probably exactly why fundamentalist types argue that it's a choice. They don't want thier opposition to homosexuality to be seen as something like racism.

 

 

 

But at the same time I agree with the sentiments of Lateralus - it shouldn't really matter if it's a choice or not. What homoserxuals do behind closed doors, choice or not, is about as consequential to me as what movies they like to watch.

 

I'd love to agree with you, however, that's not the view that the average person has on the subject. Unfortunately, homosexuality isn't going to conform with certain major religions, which it turn isn't conforming with the government. Which is why I gave up on politics long ago, as it's to religious based. I have a hard time believing that without the concept of religion, that we would continue to outcast homosexuals the way we do today. This is exactly the problem then, since we cannot be biased based on religion, these people are allowed to take office, congress, etc, and use their religious bias against others. This is why I long for an atheist or more open politician to take the White house, though I suppose that's a long shot with the amount of people that would vote because of his religion, rather than the issues.

[Sly_Wizard]

 

It's been proven that homosexuality isn't a choice.

 

 

 

#-o

 

 

 

 

If you're talking about the act of doing something homosexual, then you'd be right - a gay guy participating in homosexual sex is making a choice. But if you're talking about the orientation in general being a choice, then I don't understand how you think we can choose what turns us on and what does not.

 

 

 

Good thing I said none of that 8-)

 

 

 

I'm still 100% confused... are you saying being gay IS a choice, or is NOT a choice?

 

 

 

Neither.

 

 

 

Way to make me look like a douche :thumbsup: I wasn't just restateing it, I was making another point that you completely ruined by excluding the last part of my sentence.

 

 

 

You did restate it (See above) and I didn't exclude the last part of your sentence (See below).

 

 

 

Walking comes naturally to all animals, including humans. You think the first humans sit around their huts teaching their children to walk? You would walk if no one taught you.

 

 

 

Some animals, maybe. Humans? Not so much. It takes a while for them to learn how to walk and are only able to do so after considerable trial and error attempts.

 

 

 

No, he's saying that homosexuals choose to be hated by society and are minions of Satan.

 

 

 

...So sayeth the emo/goth chick :lol:

[Nenga]

Sly I did read your whole post and I still looked very douche-like. Sly let me put this in a way you can understand it. You're straight right? If being gay is a choice, than that is too. You choose to like the opposite sex, while gays choose to like the same sex, so if it's all choice then turn gay for a little bit and see where it takes you. My point is try to see both sides of the argument.

[gman019]

Sly I did read your whole post and I still looked very douche-like. Sly let me put this in a way you can understand it. You're straight right? If being gay is a choice, than that is too. You choose to like the opposite sex, while gays choose to like the same sex, so if it's all choice then turn gay for a little bit and see where it takes you. My point is try to see both sides of the argument.

 

 

 

It's not a full 100% choice. Heterosexuality is the "normal" view almost everywhere you go :roll: . Think about it: When you're a child, you see mommy and daddy. You go to school and see other kids' mommies and daddies. What with the use of gay as a derogatory term, (You're a [bleep]!) it's pushed upon you to be straight. Gay people don't have 100% choice either. Most gay people, (before they are gay even) will act differently and be verbally harassed for it. So, you have two options: Tolerate it, or join a group that is like you (other gays).

 

 

 

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It's gotta be one way or the other, dude.

 

 

 

However, I don't think someone just wakes up one day and says, "Hey, I think I'll start liking the same gender from now on." It's an emotion that is considered for a while. You undergo experiences that make you think particular ways. (A little boy goes to pet a wolf, the wolf lashes at him. Ergo, all wolves are bad.) A person doesn't just become a "chosen one", (for lack of a better term) either.

[Lenticular_J]

It's gotta be one way or the other, dude.

 

Bisexuals say hi. I think that's what you meant. I dunno.

[gman019]

It's gotta be one way or the other, dude.

 

Bisexuals say hi. I think that's what you meant. I dunno.

 

 

 

"Reading the context" says hi. :thumbdown:

 

 

 

I was talking about the choice of being homosexual.

[Freakyhair]

I think its just people trying to get attention. People can choose not to be homosexual if they want. I know I'll get a bunch of crap for saying this, but thats what I think.

 

 

 

also, seeing as the bible says homosexuality is a sin, I see there can be only 3 possibilities:

 

 

 

1. its a choice

 

2. its not a choice and the bible is wrong

 

3. its not a choice and the bible is right

 

 

 

I think we can rule out choice 3, cause God would have to be really stupid to create someone who is inherently sinful and can't do anything about it...

 

 

 

but I mean, what about when girls go to parties and get drunk and make out with each other, then say they aren't [bleep]... They obviously were just trying to get attention. Which is the same with most homosexual people I think.

 

 

 

 

Oh my god :o do you know anyone thats gay or anything about being gay in the slightest? 2 of my good friends are gay (one a girl one a guy) and it doesnt make any difference to anyone except them, i can tell you that at 18/19 attention isn't whats on most peoples minds..

 

 

 

I also know how hard it is for them being gay when hardly any people at our age have come out openly (from where i am anyway). Think about it, everyone wants a relationship really, imagine wanting one so badly but you couldnt get one because of the lack of other gay people, i can tell you that being is deffinately not a choice. Being gay doesn't get you any good attention.

 

 

 

I think its ridiculous that anyone can say that being gay is wrong. I just want one good reason, apart from it saying so in the bible.

 

 

 

It annoys me that people can hold things like sexuality and race against people when it doesnt effect them in any way.

 

 

 

In my opinion i cannot see how being gay could possibly not be alright and how there can even be an argument about it.

[ThurinEthir]

Meh. I'm jumping on the bandwagon, it doesn't matter if it's a choice or not.

 

If it's a choice, then it's basically the same as religion. You get influenced, but you get to make the final decision. I know some people like going around attacking people's beliefs, but in general, religious tolerance is common, in the west at least. Right?

 

If it's not a choice, then it's basically the same as race. You don't choose at all. However, there are also people that go around discriminating racially, but in general, racial tolerance is common, in the west at least. Right?

 

Either way, tolerating homosexuals should be common, in the west at least. Right?

 

 

 

I've talked with a lot of homosexual people. Most have said that it wasn't a choice, but they'll take pride in who they are. So yes, I suppose some of those people would openly announce their sexual orientation and face whatever harassment would follow.

[gman019]

 

 

 

Oh my god :o do you know anyone thats gay or anything about being gay in the slightest? 2 of my good friends are gay (one a girl one a guy) and it doesnt make any difference to anyone except them, i can tell you that at 18/19 attention isn't whats on most peoples minds..

 

 

 

I also know how hard it is for them being gay when hardly any people at our age have come out openly (from where i am anyway). Think about it, everyone wants a relationship really, imagine wanting one so badly but you couldnt get one because of the lack of other gay people, i can tell you that being is deffinately not a choice. Being gay doesn't get you any good attention.

 

 

 

I think its ridiculous that anyone can say that being gay is wrong. I just want one good reason, apart from it saying so in the bible.

 

 

 

It annoys me that people can hold things like sexuality and race against people when it doesnt effect them in any way.

 

 

 

In my opinion i cannot see how being gay could possibly not be alright and how there can even be an argument about it.

 

 

 

Obviously he doesn't, being a practicing Christian. >_>;

 

 

 

I know, the Bible doesn't say incest is wrong, or racism. But oh no, if someone wants to be happily together with somebody else, BLASPHEMY!

 

 

 

Anyways.. I think it's stupid how so many "gay-bashers" will say, "Oh, well, if Gays weren't calling anymore who is against gay marriage a bigot, then maybe we'd compromise.'' WTF? All of 2% of the gay community actually does that, (they pretty much are bigots, anyways :roll: ) and you know, there was a little thing called the Civil Rights' Movement, in which VIOLENCE was used, as well as passive protest, and that (for the most part) was succesful.

[Nenga]

Sly I did read your whole post and I still looked very douche-like. Sly let me put this in a way you can understand it. You're straight right? If being gay is a choice, than that is too. You choose to like the opposite sex, while gays choose to like the same sex, so if it's all choice then turn gay for a little bit and see where it takes you. My point is try to see both sides of the argument.

 

 

 

It's not a full 100% choice. Heterosexuality is the "normal" view almost everywhere you go :roll: . Think about it: When you're a child, you see mommy and daddy. You go to school and see other kids' mommies and daddies. What with the use of gay as a derogatory term, (You're a [bleep]!) it's pushed upon you to be straight. Gay people don't have 100% choice either. Most gay people, (before they are gay even) will act differently and be verbally harassed for it. So, you have two options: Tolerate it, or join a group that is like you (other gays).

 

 

 

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It's gotta be one way or the other, dude.

 

 

 

However, I don't think someone just wakes up one day and says, "Hey, I think I'll start liking the same gender from now on." It's an emotion that is considered for a while. You undergo experiences that make you think particular ways. (A little boy goes to pet a wolf, the wolf lashes at him. Ergo, all wolves are bad.) A person doesn't just become a "chosen one", (for lack of a better term) either.

 

That's my point. I'm hoping if I put it like that he would get it.

[gman019]

 

That's my point. I'm hoping if I put it like that he would get it.

 

 

 

Glad we agree.

 

 

 

And don't worry, he won't win this arguement. :roll:

[AlperBacon3]

As me being a Catholic Christian I have to say it is wrong, marrige should be between male and female, but if gayness :lol: is genetic I would maybe agree that it may be the only choice.. But :wall:

[Nenga]

As me being a Catholic Christian I have to say it is wrong, marrige should be between male and female, but if gayness :lol: is genetic I would maybe agree that it may be the only choice.. But :wall:

 

Until I see where it says word for word that god is against homosexuals i'm not buying he is.

 

 

 

Marriage is a different subject entirely from what we're talking about. We haven't even began the marriage debate.