Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[michel555555]

i honastly can't even think of one logical argument why gay marrage should not be allowed.

 

 

 

[hide=bible]most people will sight levictus 22-18 (or 18-22 can't remember which) as why being gay is sinful. the problem is this text is 2000 years old and most of its rules are out dated, such as stoneing adulterers ect. so this should have no weight when discussing the legality of an action.

 

 

 

if all els fails the great book never actualy says anywhere that women marrying or lying with another women is sinful.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=traditional marrage]most people preach that the sanctity or tradition view of marrage should be protected. this is a fluid deffinition at best and depends on your relligion ect and has changed many times over the mellenia. the traditiona view of marrage at one point was that the women should only, clean, cook, raise children, and it was even conisdered a crime at one point for a married women to deny their male partners sexual urges.

 

 

 

and theres also that anoying little line at the end "till death do us part"

 

strangely no one preaching traditional views of marrage mention these points.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=reproduction]i saw this several times in this thread and it just made me laugh. some people are saying that because they can't reproduce then this is reason enough. by this same definition people who are infertile, either through nature or sergery, should also not be allowed the right to marry and that anal and oral sex should be illegal, as well as condomes because it does not help with reproduction. and lets face it the world is overpopulated enough.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=STD's]ignorance is bliss. heterosexuals acually pass on more diseases then homosexuals. and the fact that some diseases are transmited by blood contact and not seminal fluid.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=nature]the first few pages of this thread are pretty much devoted entirly to disproving that this is unnatural. and states that other species do engadge in homosexual intercourse.[/hide]

 

 

 

all that i can think of for now i'm sure there will be others. in short gay marrage should be legal or at least provide an alternative that gives the same benefits as marrage so that all parties will be happy.

 

 

 

have to go to work so did this in a rush sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes.

[Serpent Eye]

Howlin0001, I just want to clarify that I wasn't meaning to say you were making any sort of connection between homosexuality and pedophilia - I know you weren't.

 

 

 

I was only suggesting we drop the subject of pedophlilia in this particular topic, because it could lead to... um... what it's lead to.

 

 

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

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in short gay marrage should be legal or at least provide an alternative that gives the same benefits as marrage so that all parties will be happy.

 

 

 

This... bah.

 

 

 

Society is so weird. It's all about protecting the "sanctity" of marriage, as if marriage is a person with feelings. Marriage is a concept.

 

 

 

Providing an alternative to marriage, that has the same benefits as marriage, IS marriage. You can't call it anything else!

 

 

 

Besides, some states already legalized civil unions, and that didn't stop gay people from wanting to get married.

[Wizz]

You wanna maintain the "Sanctity" of marriges???

 

Make Divorces Illegal. You cannot Remarry unless your lifelong partner dies.

 

there sanctity restored. :roll:

[Dax]

I don't see anything wrong with homesexuality. If they are both happy being homesexual, then sure, i'm fine with that.

[ElkNight]

I don't see anything wrong with homosexuality. If they are both happy being homosexual, then sure, I'm fine with that.

 

I agree.

[RichieMcD]

You wanna maintain the "Sanctity" of marriges???

 

Make Divorces Illegal. You cannot Remarry unless your lifelong partner dies.

 

there sanctity restored. :roll:

 

 

 

Now that's a good point.

 

 

 

I'm not sure, but in America isn't the divorce rate for Heterosexual marriages somewhere in the 40-50% bracket? Yet when Homosexual marriages are being discussed about legalization everyone wants to retain the "sanctity" of marriage. Considering then, 1 of 2 people who will argue this according to statistics will have their marriage fall apart, is that really a point you can argue with?

 

 

 

IMO it's a load of hypocritical crap.

[Serpent Eye]

It does have to be taken into consideration that some divorces are necessary.

 

 

 

My parents just recently split up, after 23+ years of marriage. Their decision was based off of legitimate reasons, and a decades-worth of marital problems.

 

 

 

There's a major difference between that, and people like Britney Spears and Kevin Federline breaking up - their marriage was a sham - he really just wanted to be able to say that he was married to Britney Spears. This is breaking the "sanctity of marriage," even though I don't hold in the belief of such a thing.

 

 

 

Marriage is just a legal way to document the love between two people.

 

 

 

No one should be denied the ability to get fully, and legally married. (MARRIED! No "civil unions," please.)

[Sly_Wizard]

Marriage is just a legal way to document the love between two people.

 

 

 

No, it's not.

[mervinator_9]

Homosexuality: Right or Wrong? or completely unimportant?

 

 

 

Tbh, I couldn't care less where people are gay or not.

 

 

 

Let them be is the way i look at it, its a choice they made and who the hell am I to question it?

[Laura]

 

I'm all for gay marriage and I'm certainly not going to say that homosexuality is wrong. Who am I to say that one's beliefs are wrong?

[BlueLancer]

Marriage is just a legal way to document the love between two people.

 

 

 

No, it's not.

 

 

 

Agreed, especially in traditionalist and conservative societies, marriage often has absolutely nothing to do with love. The partners can even loathe each other, but either family is forced to go through because of economic pressure or arrangements agreed upon over a decade ago, etc.

 

 

 

More accurately it would be two people basically "sharing" life, across all cultures, regardless of them loving each other or not.

 

 

 

In a lot of non-arranged marriages though, especially in western countries, the major motive is love between two people instead of any other reason. Other reasons can include legally being able to adopt a child, recieving certain benefits in society, etc.

[aquariusman]

If you're gay, you deserve the right to a gay old time.

[nine naked men]

If you're gay, you deserve the right to a gay old time.

 

 

 

YABBA DABBA DOO!

 

 

 

... I'll be quiet now. :<

[Roberthree]

Anyone who's against gay marriage should go hand out with some real gay people. Not the fruity guys on TV. Real hardworking men who live lonely lives because of society's prejudices. It's very sad.

[Zierro]

Anyone who's against gay marriage should go hand out with some real gay people. Not the fruity guys on TV. Real hardworking men who live lonely lives because of society's prejudices. It's very sad.

 

 

 

If they're too afraid to stand up for what they believe in then why should anyone be expected to be sympathetic?

[purfishx]

Anyone who's against gay marriage should go hand out with some real gay people. Not the fruity guys on TV. Real hardworking men who live lonely lives because of society's prejudices. It's very sad.

 

 

 

If they're too afraid to stand up for what they believe in then why should anyone be expected to be sympathetic?

 

 

 

Exactly. win.

[Roberthree]

Anyone who's against gay marriage should go hand out with some real gay people. Not the fruity guys on TV. Real hardworking men who live lonely lives because of society's prejudices. It's very sad.

 

 

 

If they're too afraid to stand up for what they believe in then why should anyone be expected to be sympathetic?

 

 

 

Where did I say they didn't stand up for what they believe in? I honestly have no idea how you got that from what I said.

[RussianFed55]

Here's a gay guy's opinion on the recent developments in California.

 

 

 

The people voted, the court has no right to turn it over.

 

 

 

Gay Marriage is an issue I don't discuss, I consider it third-rail (but then again, I consider abortion third-rail). But as a gay man, I would be perfectly fine with Civil Unions with the same rights and adoption rights. Gay activists should be working in every state for Civil Union rights, rather than worrying about marriage. I wouldn't oppose Gay Marriage if it were legal, but I wouldn't support it either.

[meol]

Here's a gay guy's opinion on the recent developments in California.

 

 

 

The people voted, the court has no right to turn it over.

 

 

 

Gay Marriage is an issue I don't discuss, I consider it third-rail (but then again, I consider abortion third-rail). But as a gay man, I would be perfectly fine with Civil Unions with the same rights and adoption rights. Gay activists should be working in every state for Civil Union rights, rather than worrying about marriage. I wouldn't oppose Gay Marriage if it were legal, but I wouldn't support it either.

 

Wait a second, you lost me there. :? What is the difference between marriage and civil unions with the same rights and adoption rights [as marriage]? Aren't you advocating the exact same thing, but with a different name? Or is marriage forcefully tied to religion?

[Laura]

Anyone who's against gay marriage should go hand out with some real gay people. Not the fruity guys on TV. Real hardworking men who live lonely lives because of society's prejudices. It's very sad.

 

 

 

If they're too afraid to stand up for what they believe in then why should anyone be expected to be sympathetic?

 

 

 

Where did I say they didn't stand up for what they believe in? I honestly have no idea how you got that from what I said.

 

http://daywithoutagay.org/

 

 

 

I'm kinda confused to.

 

 

 

It's not that people don't stand up, it's because they can't. The church and extremist views have crushed gays by saying it's a sin. Not only that, but legally, gays can be fired for being gay, they are still not allowed to give blood, not to mention the other countless "side affects" that come with legally being gay.

[Alg]

Don't see why Homosexuality is wrong. If you're going to ban it, you may as well ban marriage outside of your ethnicity, etc (at prop 8).

[RussianFed55]

Wait a second, you lost me there. :? What is the difference between marriage and civil unions with the same rights and adoption rights [as marriage]?

 

 

 

The difference between marriage and civil unions. A Civil Union is so called, and can be or does not have to be recognised by a church (should you wish to hold your ceremony there). There is little difference except the fact that a Civil Union is not called a Marriage. I don't care about Gay Marriage, it's a huge distraction filled with tons of controversy, whereas Civil Unions are no where near as controversial, and they offer the same rights as a marriage. I don't understand why people are fighting for marriage in a state where there are Civil Unions, when there are states without Civil Unions.

[Serpent Eye]

Marriage is just a legal way to document the love between two people.

 

 

 

No, it's not.

 

 

 

I'm most certainly entitled to my opinion.

 

 

 

Do two people who are in love have to get married? No. If two people are married, does that mean they are in love? Not necessarily.

 

 

 

But to me, marriage is just the next step in the "process of love." It doesn't actually mean much to me - it's just another level of commitment in a relationship.

 

 

 

Anyone who's against gay marriage should go hand out with some real gay people. Not the fruity guys on TV. Real hardworking men who live lonely lives because of society's prejudices. It's very sad.

 

 

 

...this fails.

[Agunimon979]

I don't hate gays, but if some [bleep] every tries to touch me I'll stick a broom up his [wagon]! tourettes guy reference

[Serpent Eye]

I don't hate gays, but if some [bleep] every tries to touch me I'll stick a broom up his [wagon]! tourettes guy reference

 

 

 

That's offensive, even if it is just a reference to something else.