Soft Drugs: What gives?

[WutangFlu]

Lol u said u smoke pot and hash browns. Anyway, they obviously messed up your brains, cuz u like drugs. Drugs kill. Kids dont do drugs. Cigaweed is harmful. Dont die.

 

 

 

If they do legalize em, they should put a warning on em that says:

 

 

 

Warning: Smoking these drugs may be harmful to your health. They could straight up pwn u nublet.

 

 

 

Most intelligent thing I've ever heard.

 

/sarcasm

 

 

 

Don't post if you don't know what your talking about, and expect anyone to take you seriously when you type with such dialect.

[johntm]

Erm, cant think of anything stupid to say. Just don do crack kids. or heroin. Or cyanide.

 

 

 

Better stop eating apples and almonds then. Fact of the day: apples and almonds contain trace amounts of cyanide.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide#Occurrence

 

 

 

W00t i dont like either.

[johntm]

Hash browns straight up pwn. Hash brownies suck. Who wants hash browns + brownies anyways? Thats gross. But brownies pwn too.

[Adam007]

Yeah its not like your addicted to pot or hash browns(whatever you call it) or anything.

 

Hash brownies. :) They are typically just chocolate brownies with THC in them to get you intoxicated. Hash browns are the potato stuff you can get at McDonalds... :P

 

 

 

I'm not saying you should try drugs, I just think the public needs to adopt a better (more accurate) image of them.

 

I would actually choose hash browns over hash brownies because hash browns (especially the ones from McDonald's) are delicious and deliciousness triumphs all else.

 

I bet that processed McDonald's junk is far worse for your health, if we're comparing.

[WutangFlu]

 

Anyway, havn't multiple musicians died from drug ODs? Brad Nowell, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, etc.?

 

Too bad no one has ever died due to an overdose of smoking marijuana.

 

 

 

or LSD for that matter

 

 

 

Kurt Cobain shot himself in the head btw.

 

 

 

LSD can be overdosed, on easily, as can mushrooms.

 

If you don't die you'll end up like Syd Barrett and have sever mental problems the rest of your life, or be brain dead.

 

 

 

If ur implying Cobain did LSD.. THEN, shot himself... he wasn't on LSD when he shot himself. it was actually Heroin, a highly addictive drug. (also the concentration of heroin in his system would have killed him in seconds, not enough time for him to pull the trigger of a shotgun) My opinon based on facts given, he was murdered.

 

 

 

Hendrix died from asphyxiation brought on by sleeping pills and alcohol

 

 

 

also Brad died of Heroin OD.

 

 

 

@johntm

 

stop posting pointless banter, its not contributing to this thread in any way.

[PaperClipsYaaaar]

Yeah its not like your addicted to pot or hash browns(whatever you call it) or anything.

 

Hash brownies. :) They are typically just chocolate brownies with THC in them to get you intoxicated. Hash browns are the potato stuff you can get at McDonalds... :P

 

 

 

I'm not saying you should try drugs, I just think the public needs to adopt a better (more accurate) image of them.

 

I would actually choose hash browns over hash brownies because hash browns (especially the ones from McDonald's) are delicious and deliciousness triumphs all else.

 

I bet that processed McDonald's junk is far worse for your health, if we're comparing.

 

Yeah but it tastes so good. The two McDonald's things that I like are

 

 

 

1) hash browns

 

2) Egg McMuffins

 

 

 

I also used to like their apple pies, before they started baking instead of frying.

[Nero]

I would say legalize cannabis and tax it just like cigarette or alcohol is.

 

And for people who will eventually bring up pot myths:

 

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... myth.shtml

[venomai]

LSD can be overdosed, on easily, as can mushrooms.

 

If you don't die you'll end up like Syd Barrett and have sever mental problems the rest of your life, or be brain dead.

 

I wouldn't say it's easy to overdose on LSD, or on shrooms for that matter. It's very difficult to die solely on a LSD/shroom overdose, unless you are physically unhealthy before taking the drug.

 

 

 

LSD Overdose:

 

From page 459 of Clinical Management of Poisoning and Drug Overdosepage by Haddad Winchester.

 

No well-documented human deaths resulting directly from the toxic effects of LSD itself have occurred, though LSD has been implicated in accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides. LD50 (That's lethal dose in 50% of those who injest this much) determinations vary widely with species, begin 46 mg/kg in mice, 16.5 mg/kg in rats, 0.3 mg/kg in rabbits and 0.1 mg/kg in elephants. In monkeys, the LD100 is 5 mg/kg. Death in these animals is the result of respiratory failure, preceded in the rabbit by marked hyperthermia. Human data are manifestly lacking, and predictions of the average lethal dose for humans have ranged from 0.2 mg/kg to more than 1 mg/kg, administered orally.

 

 

 

One person writes the following in response to the quote:

 

So if one weighed about 80 kg [176 pounds], then the lethal dose would be (estimated) between 16mg and 80mg, or in street terms between about 50 to 250 hits of the strongest blotter acid you can find. [e.g ~300 ug/hit]

 

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs.old/synthe ... SD.od.html

 

 

 

It's worth noting most blotter tabs contain 30 to 100 ug of LSD. Many users will trip with only one or two of these tabs. If you're getting "regular" strength tabs you'll need to drop about 500 to 750 tabs in a single sitting for it to be lethal.

 

 

 

Here's what one writer has to say about LSD overdoses:

 

Massive overdoses are possible only in cases where a person has access to manufacture- or distribution-level amounts of material; the average LSD user is unlikely to ever come in contact with such high doses.

 

The link also explains some LSD overdose cases.

 

http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=220

 

 

 

 

 

Shrooms Overdose:

 

This user's method isn't perfectly accurate, but since psilocybin's LD50 for humans is unknown, we have to estimate using rats. It does provide a good estimate, though.

 

we've determined that using the data for rats and accepting a median of 1% potency, that it would require the consumption of 1680g of mushrooms to reach the LD50 for a 60kg rat. This amount of mushrooms is enough to provide a "normal" mushroom trip to roughly 650 people.

 

http://www.shroomery.org/9122/How-many- ... psilocybin

 

 

 

Average dosage for a good trip is 2.5 g of dried mushrooms.

 

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/ ... dose.shtml

 

 

 

 

 

It's all in moderation. Your body can only handle so much of one substance, especially something as powerful as a hallucinogenic drug. There have been a small number of cases where people have been seriously ill from massive doses of LSD/shrooms, and only one or two documented deaths from overdose.

[Nero]

good ol' Erowid :D

[forsaken]

Personally, the same principle that I apply for anything that provides enjoyment applies to [soft] drugs. So long as it is used in moderation [and is a process/substance that will not unduly affect your ability to determine what is 'moderate' correctly] then there is no issue.

 

 

 

There is nothing inherently wrong with them.

 

 

 

You can die from driving a car too fast.

 

 

 

You can die from over-gaming.

 

 

 

Hell - you can even die from over-drinking.

 

 

 

Point of the matter is, moderation is the key.

[madcap_laughs]

Hey kids, marijuana isn't addictive

[RayOxide]

Some drugs are natural. Cigarrettes* aren't, and neither is most alcahol*

[madcap_laughs]

Some drugs are natural. Cigarrettes* aren't, and neither is most alcahol*

Tobacco is natural

[RayOxide]

Some drugs are natural. Cigarrettes* aren't, and neither is most alcahol*

Tobacco is natural

 

 

 

Not the paper-like stuff they wrap it in, nor the orange thing...

[Guest]

Some drugs are natural. Cigarrettes* aren't, and neither is most alcahol*

Tobacco is natural

 

 

 

So is barely. :P

 

 

 

To the OP, have you ever considered the long term effects of these drugs? It seems like your just living in the present from your posts, and have only considered your health at present. There are long term effects, I hope you know, especially in terms of mental illness later in life from smoking pot during your teenage years, and early 20's. :wink:

[assassin_696]

I'm all for legalising activities which can be done in the privacy of your own home without harming anyone. I think the problems of soft drugs are overhyped.

 

 

 

Of course, there are associated problems, like the health and psychological effects associated with soft drugs, and the question of where do the drugs come from?

[dutchdreams]

Here's some information on Dutch soft-drugs legislation. It shows it doesn't lead to a high usage of hard drugs: it does a whole lot better in comparison with USA and rest of Europe.

 

 

 

Of course it's not all peachy fine. Since we have this tolerant stance towards cannabis, we get a lot of drug tourists, typically from the UK and France. They cause a lot of trouble, since their specific aim is to get high and/or drunk during their stay here. They overdo it, causing trouble in bars, public and the highways.

 

After years of an open policy, some cities are taking action against coffee shops. Most notably Rotterdam, where coffee shops in close vicinity of schools have to close by 2009.

 

We recently had a French teenager (18 or 19 years old if memory serves me right), high on mushrooms, jump off a bridge. Mushrooms are legal in Holland, however this incident sparked the discussion on whether or not to regard mushrooms a controlled substance.

 

Others claim the Dutch cannabis isn't a soft drug anymore, because after years of improving the crop, the THC content has become way higher than 10 years ago (page 31 of paper has English summary)

 

 

 

A complete overview of the drug situation in 2006 (page 68) shows there's some evidence of the genetic make-up of a person influencing their vulnerability to developing pshychological disorders after longterm cannabis usage. This report also shows that the THC content of the tested 'Nederwiet' has decreased by 2% again.

 

 

 

For me personally, I never felt a need to try drugs. I know they are available overhere, but that doesn't automatically create a desire to go try them. For those that do have a craving, I think it's better they can go to a coffee shop rather than having to go to some shady dealer in a bad part of town.

[BlueTear]

What about flashbacks? If memory serves me, both cannabis related drugs and LSD comes with the risk of flashbacks occuring a long time after consumption has stopped.

[Led-Zeppelin]

Marijuana is the only drug I do, and I do it very rarely, maybe about once a month. I do it when I'm with my mates in our flat, the ol' bucket bong. I'd never try anything harder then that.

 

 

 

(On a side note though, when I was in high school, we used to inhale the gas from the bunson burners and get toasted, dumb I know haha).

 

 

 

But as PaperClipsYaaaarrrrr said, legalising it would be benificial, would cut down gang profits and violence asociated with the underground trafficing of such drugs.

 

 

 

Alcahol and cigerettes are far more detremental to society.

 

 

 

I wouldn't suggest shrooms though as I know alot of people that have totally freaked out when taking it.

[Satenza]

You remind me of Timothy Leary.

 

 

 

Anyway, havn't multiple musicians died from drug ODs? Brad Nowell, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, etc.?

 

 

 

Mm, he's talking about soft drugs. I mean you can't OD on Marajuana the worst that happens is you feel a little sick.

 

 

 

Also, Hendrix died from taking sleeping pills and drinking wine (two legal drugs) and Kurt Cobain died from shooting himself in the head with a shotgun.

[Kenshinjapan]

 

 

 

i stopped reading

 

Thank you for your worthless contribution.

 

 

 

Your really bad at taking things out of context :? . Anyways, each of those drugs is extremely harmful and are worse for others as they might be to you. Ever heard of a "bad trip"? (referring to LSD) During the hallucinations, people have thought they we birds and jumped to their death, samurais and killed others, and don't forgettheir own brain :ohnoes: . And the study that you linked us to "marijuana being less addictive than chocolate" could be waaaay off. Not even close to all the studys people make aren't close to being accurate. And didn't your article say something about smoking hemp? They did tests and it only gives you a massive headache :lol: .

 

 

 

You remind me of Timothy Leary.

 

 

 

Anyway, havn't multiple musicians died from drug ODs? Brad Nowell, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, etc.?

 

 

 

Mm, he's talking about soft drugs. I mean you can't OD on Marajuana the worst that happens is you feel a little sick.

 

 

 

Also, Hendrix died from taking sleeping pills and drinking wine (two legal drugs) and Kurt Cobain died from shooting himself in the head with a shotgun.

 

 

 

You have to take into consideration that drugs weren't exactly making things better either :? .

[kelem_ryu]

Hey kids, marijuana isn't addictive

 

 

 

That's so not true. If you smoke all the time, it isn't easy to just quit. You'll easily get grumpy and have wierd dreams for a couple of months. (well depending on how much you used to smoke). Also if you smoke for some time, you'll usually want to be high all the time. The first thing when i woke up in the morning was taking a hit from the bong or two. Of course in my country canabis is usually smoked together with tabacco, wich of course is more addicting.

 

 

 

imo saying marijuana isn't addicting is just wrong though.

 

 

 

 

For those that do have a craving, I think it's better they can go to a coffee shop rather than having to go to some shady dealer in a bad part of town.

 

 

 

I totally agree. Smoking in Amsterdam is something entirely different then in Vienna for example. Canabis can create Paranoia and it does even more easily if you know you are doing something illegal.

 

 

 

 

 

Again.. Drugs are dangerous. You can completely waste yourself doing them. Especially if you do them frequently. One time use can hardly do any harm to a mental stable adult and the so called soft drugs won't create an immediate urge to do them again. Yet since the experience usually is pleasurable you might get tempted to do them more frequently, to the point where you are constantly on. Yet again there is no difference here to say alcohol. There are plenty of people who drink on a daily basis or even drink constantly.

 

 

 

Another problem with the mentioned drugs is, that they alter your consciouness. That's a problem because you likely won't fit into mainstream society anymore after a time, wich isn'T inherently bad, but can get you into trouble, if you are very dependent on mainstream society.

 

 

 

The main problem i see is that you are thought the expression that drugs are bad and extremly dangerous, wich just is wrong. Then you try them and meet people and you'll think drugs are oh so good, wich isn't true either. Drugs are just drugs and they shouldn't be over- or underrated.

 

 

 

 

 

i think btw that none of the posts in this thread is ontopic.

[WutangFlu]

Hey kids, marijuana isn't addictive

 

 

 

That's so not true. If you smoke all the time, it isn't easy to just quit. You'll easily get grumpy and have wierd dreams for a couple of months. (well depending on how much you used to smoke). Also if you smoke for some time, you'll usually want to be high all the time. The first thing when i woke up in the morning was taking a hit from the bong or two. Of course in my country canabis is usually smoked together with tabacco, wich of course is more addicting.

 

 

 

imo saying marijuana isn't addicting is just wrong though.

 

 

 

Um... its not man..

 

don't talk.

 

 

 

i know a friend who smoked for a couple years, with frequency...

 

he quit on a dime when he went out for wrestling, and then when that was over he started again, and this last year when wrestling started again, he quit again.

 

 

 

Dont talk about something you do not know about.

 

 

 

its less addicted than caffeine, and thats a proven scientific FACT

[Satenza]

 

You remind me of Timothy Leary.

 

 

 

Anyway, havn't multiple musicians died from drug ODs? Brad Nowell, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, etc.?

 

 

 

Mm, he's talking about soft drugs. I mean you can't OD on Marajuana the worst that happens is you feel a little sick.

 

 

 

Also, Hendrix died from taking sleeping pills and drinking wine (two legal drugs) and Kurt Cobain died from shooting himself in the head with a shotgun.

 

 

 

You have to take into consideration that drugs weren't exactly making things better either :? .

 

 

 

The Beatles experiemented with marajuana (thanks to Dylan :P ), acid and im sure other things - go tell them that drugs didn't make things better in the long run ($$$$). After all we now have some of the greatest and most inspirational music ever created.

[kelem_ryu]

Hey kids, marijuana isn't addictive

 

 

 

That's so not true. If you smoke all the time, it isn't easy to just quit. You'll easily get grumpy and have wierd dreams for a couple of months. (well depending on how much you used to smoke). Also if you smoke for some time, you'll usually want to be high all the time. The first thing when i woke up in the morning was taking a hit from the bong or two. Of course in my country canabis is usually smoked together with tabacco, wich of course is more addicting.

 

 

 

imo saying marijuana isn't addicting is just wrong though.

 

 

 

Um... its not man..

 

don't talk.

 

 

 

i know a friend who smoked for a couple years, with frequency...

 

he quit on a dime when he went out for wrestling, and then when that was over he started again, and this last year when wrestling started again, he quit again.

 

 

 

Dont talk about something you do not know about.

 

 

 

its less addicted than caffeine, and thats a proven scientific FACT

 

 

 

Well i don't know. I smoked over 5 or 6 years and i didn't find it easy to quit. Although i had to quit because of my schizophrenia. I didn't really want to quit. I know quite a thing or two about canabis. That it is less addictive then caffeine doesn't mean it isn't addictive at all.

 

 

 

I know people who had an easy time to quit and i know people who didn't find it that easy. Quitting smoking tobacco is way harder though.